Several members of the Steamboat Springs City Council enjoy an informal chat together at Harwigs in downtown Steamboat Springs on Tuesday night after the council's weekly meeting.

Photo by Brian Ray

Several members of the Steamboat Springs City Council enjoy an informal chat together at Harwigs in downtown Steamboat Springs on Tuesday night after the council's weekly meeting.

Council's Harwigs habit

Steve Ivancie calls for an end to weekly gatherings

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— Late Tuesday night at Harwigs Grill, six members of the Steamboat Springs City Council sat in the bar, unwinding after an unusually long six hours in the chambers at Centennial Hall. Over a glass of wine or a pint of beer, conversation ebbed and flowed about an array of subjects spanning idle gossip to national politics.

During the past four months, the gathering has become an after-meeting tradition for most of the seven-member body. They cite a team-building quality of the get-togethers that allows them to maintain congenial personal relationships no matter how fiery their political differences may be.

"If you can go out afterward and let that go away, you can work a lot better as a team," said Councilwoman Cari Hermacinski, noting council members have far more similarities than differences. "We're not Sunnis and Shiites."

But one council member says the ritual should come to an end.

"In my opinion, that's illegal," Councilman Steve Ivancie said of the gatherings. "I know how tempting it is to slip into policy discussions and how tempting it is to say, 'Oh, we're just having a glass of wine.' : I think this has got to stop."

Ivancie said he has joined the rest of the group only twice. He said he went the first time, shortly after the November election, to get to know the five new council members elected. He decided to stop going after a second time, claiming conversation drifted into the inappropriate realm of public business.

"I just see this as a problem, and, frankly, I'm disappointed they continue," Ivancie said. "I think it shows some inexperience but also some poor judgment, especially among those who should know better. : Specifically, a lawyer like Cari should know better."

Unwinding

In his own words, Loui Antonucci has been on the Steamboat Springs City Council "way too long." The council president first joined in 1989, serving one, four-year term before returning in 2001 for two more.

There have been tough times in those years, including the time he spent with the previous City Council in the months leading up to the election.

"I thought that was really, really hard, and, honestly, a lot of it was not really enjoyable," Antonucci said.

But in the months since November, Antonucci said he never has enjoyed serving on City Council more. He believes the gatherings at Harwigs are an indication of this council's camaraderie.

"You get out of there, and you need to relax," Antonucci said of council meetings where nervous energy builds in front of microphones and the public. "We have enough respect and camaraderie with each other that we can go get a drink and unwind."

As a member of the Steamboat Springs Planning Commission before getting elected to City Council, Hermacinski said relationships among commissioners suffered when the group stopped going out socially on a regular basis about six months before the election.

"When we stopped going out together, we really stopped communicating in a healthy way," Hermacinski said.

While former Councilman Paul Strong, who served on the body for eight years, does not agree that relations were strained on the previous council, he does believe in the benefits of social gatherings, something he said the previous council had less of toward the end of their tenure.

"I think the council was a little bit more divided than the current one is, but I don't think that played into any personal animosity," Strong said. "I think to develop friendships among council is really helpful because you don't let divisive issues divide the council."

Ivancie takes a different view.

"We weren't elected to be friends," he said. "We were elected to do the people's business."

Legalities

The state's open meetings laws, or Sunshine Laws, are designed to make sure the people's business is carried out in public. Under the laws, most gatherings of three or more City Council members must be advertised and open to the public. There are exceptions, though, and open meetings laws do not apply to social gatherings and chance meetings if discussion of public business is not the central purpose.

"The concern is, and the admonition is, you can't discuss public business," City Attorney Tony Lettunich said.

Lettunich said he has discussed the weekly gathering at Harwigs with council members. He is comfortable that the gatherings are legal, and he leaves it to council to determine whether they're wise.

"That's for other people to comment on, but it's certainly legal," Lettunich said. "It's certainly not a violation."

Lettunich also points out that if it was council members' intention to do something improper, "the last place they would pick is Harwigs." Noting a council in the 1980s that gathered regularly at one member's private residence, Lettunich said he is much more comfortable with council members gathering in a public place where anyone can see and listen to them. In the case of the council members who gathered regularly in private, Lettunich said he recalls one council member filing a lawsuit against the others.

Ivancie said he believes the Harwigs gatherings are in blatant disregard of the Sunshine Laws, and he wonders what else the council members who attend might be ignoring. In council meetings, Ivancie said he sometimes gets the impression that things have been discussed before and that people are showing up with their minds already made up. He has no proof of such impropriety, but he said the social gatherings set the table for it.

"I just know that the temptation is there," Ivancie said. "That's why everything's done in public."

Antonucci and Hermacinski flatly deny that any improper discussions take place, and Hermacinski said discussion of public business is far from unavoidable.

"I have plenty of things that I could make conversation about in a bar over a beer," Hermacinski said. "I think the first reason it's not inevitable is because we're all ethical people. It's not difficult not to go there at all."

Antonucci said common topics are kids, schools, skiing and national politics.

"We certainly aren't making any decisions," Antonucci said. "I think that it's really healthy interaction."

After five or six hours in the council chambers, Strong said, public business was the last thing he wanted to discuss when he would go out with council members.

Even if the gatherings are entirely proper, Antonucci, Hermacinski and Lettunich noted that council members also have to be cognizant of public perception. To date, Hermacinski said, the group believes team-building qualities outweigh any negative public perception.

Strong agreed. He said he is a big supporter of the Sunshine Laws but that one unfortunate consequence of them is that they "tend to chill interactions among council."

Noting how much she enjoys the casual interaction with her fellow council members, Hermacinski said she hopes that doesn't happen.

"If it became a problem, we'd stop doing it," Hermacinski said. "But I think it would suck to have to stop."

Comments

beentheredonethat 6 years, 9 months ago

"We weren't elected to be friends," he said. "We were elected to do the people's business."

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Ed Miklus 6 years, 9 months ago

Dear portagetheyampa, great catch on "soiree." You're absolutely correct. Seems I was led down the garden path by some common usage of the phonetic spelling of the word.

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outsiderlookingin 6 years, 9 months ago

Who drives home after these meetings? Is this why Harwigs has never been stung illegally by the cops and their compilance checks? Why Harwigs and not the pirates pub? Is alcohol required to unwind? I've got probably 100 more questions but I'm just to pissed off to think!!!!!!

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Ed Miklus 6 years, 9 months ago

If it has feathers, quacks, webbed feet and a flat bill, etc...... a quorum is a quorum is a quorum. If we're to believe that no public business is discussed, can we talk about this bridge I'd like to sell you.

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another_local 6 years, 9 months ago

Sounds like it is time for Ivancie to join his other former council members in retirement. Get a grip you guys. Go join them at the table if you have concerns about what they are talking about. People work together are more effective if they can occasionally socialize outside of work. I think we are getting better government as a result. There certainly seems to be more common sense coming from city hall that during the last council.

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bloggyblog 6 years, 9 months ago

blog agree's with another_local. outsiderlookingin, most mature adults can enjoy a glass of beer or wine and still be o.k. to drive.

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bubba 6 years, 9 months ago

outsider, if that article can make you too pissed off to think, you have some serious issues. A group of council members going out for a drink after work, after verifying with the city attorney that it is not illegal doesn't really seem that bad.

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Geary Baxter 6 years, 9 months ago

I think there should be a committee to monitor their conversation and report back to the Central Committee. It would be most appropriate to include a code breaker just in case they develop a secret language. Edskis, you be the Secretary of Informatiom, and make sure not to miss a word - you too will be watched. Outsider, you be the transport secretary, just to make sure they aren't meeting at a secret location, and that they get home safely of course - we will put a GPS on your car. Knowitall, since you are sooooo exciting (what else do you do but blog the paper?) you can be the Conversation Director. Of course Herr Avancie will give his Official Stamp of Approval.

Gotta go kids, I am late for the slopes.

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MtnWarlock 6 years, 9 months ago

Sunshine laws were established for a reason! I've been a board director for a few institutions and I know first hand that shop talk and politicking still happens at these "relaxing" after-hours meetings! If a dog craps in the middle of the party room, do you think anyone will "not" comment on the stink? The "good ole boy" mentality is alive and well in Steamboat! I believe this practice is compromisingly legal and risky!

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Ed Miklus 6 years, 9 months ago

Mr B., Government is truly about the peoples' business and their money, not a social swarae. If you freely choose to serve and take the oath of office then it is incumbant upon you to avoid even the apperance of impropriety. Laissez faire attitudes toward government behavior only lead to governmental shenanigans.

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raver 6 years, 9 months ago

Cari says"We're not Sunnis and Shiites"and, "But I think it would suck if it had to stop" and she is supposed to be an intelligent,ARTICULATE ,educated woman?what a joke.

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id04sp 6 years, 9 months ago

So, where is the CSP when six members of the CC are drinking in a bar? Did anybody follow them to check on their use of the headlight dimmer switch?

Uh, who funds the "tipsy taxi" service? Did these members of the CC use the "tipsy taxi" to get home?

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eastboy 6 years, 9 months ago

Come OOOn people, aren't the key words "social gathering" and alcohol not necessarily required meaningful? Stop looking for a fight, they come too often on their own.

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foodchain 6 years, 9 months ago

"But I think it would suck to have to stop."

--that's what she said.

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foodchain 6 years, 9 months ago

and the picture that accompanies this article is priceless.

Eliot Spitzer would fit in so well in your town! He is probably applying for an assist deputy DA position rightnow. Eliot Spitzer's campaign to prosecute johns and crackdown on prostitution / Carrie's campaign to avoid secret sessions.

What is the difference?

The hottest fires in hell are reserved for the hypocrites and the people who pee in swimming pools.

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rorschach 6 years, 9 months ago

Hermacinski sure loves to get her name out there. And another fine quote I might add. Professionals? I don't think so. What is she by the way? Lawyer, realtor, city counsel member? Does she do any of these well? This counsel needs to stop acting like a small town counsel. They represent the people of this community. Their vote matters. Which worries me to no end and this is just another example of their poor decisions.

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MtnWarlock 6 years, 9 months ago

foodchain, Jerking chains again are we? LOL! After the comments left in the pool rates blog, the "common" people might hack this sight to find your real name on the registry! Why? Because, the next time you go to dinner, you may find that one of the local "riff raffs"may have spit in your drink or food!

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foodchain 6 years, 9 months ago

An element of ethical behavior is avoiding even the appearance of impropriety. Tony's advice should have been to simply avoid the appearance of impropriety.

Carrie is smart enough to know better. To so obviously not avoid the appearance of impropriety demonstrates hubris more than it does ethics.

Sometimes avoiding even the appearance of impropriety "sucks", is not fun and is not the easiest way to do thing.

But, as the old saying goes: it only counts when it is hard.

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portagetheyampa 6 years, 9 months ago

What can be more public and open than a local place of business? If anything, perhaps the city counsel members could meet at a different public place weekly, to spread their patronage of our local businesses.

edski, "swarae" (good effort on your part with the phonetic spelling) is really a French word, "soiree" meaning an evening out. And you got "laissez faire" correct! This in no way is meant to be a criticism.

I agree with Cari that comraderie(another one of those French words!) is good. However, her use of the word "suck" is soooooooooo latency age and unprofessional.

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nofear 6 years, 9 months ago

Ms. Hermacinski certainly consistently makes decisions for the whole council throughout the article such as, "If it became a problem, WE'D stop doing it".

Maybe we don't need to worry about them having non-public policy discussion since the majority just does what she tells them.

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Books 6 years, 9 months ago

If I had to sit through 5 or 6 hours of City Council meetings, I would need a drink too. I think it's great that they can still get along well enough to sit down socially after disagreeing on many different issues. Ivancie sounds like the tattle-tale kid on the playground. I would be very concerned if these gatherings were taking place at a private residence, but a public bar, BIG DEAL!

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foodchain 6 years, 9 months ago

I disagree. Having to resort to any kind of intoxication in order to cope with the rigors of one's duty or employment = substance abuse and indicates substance dependancy.

If the alcohol "unwinds" a person, then I submit that the person is "under the influence" of that drug. Perhaps not as a matter of law, but under the influence nevertheless.

What if a counsel member said "it would really suck if I could not take three vicoden before every meeting".

What if you heard a a psychiatrist say "I really need to blow a few rails of coke before I can deal with today's patients".

Sure, alcohol is legal. That will be your comeback. That does not mean it is a healthy way to cope with stress.

The picture above appears to be a quorum. The caption of the picture could be "Counsel chooses not to avoid the appearance of impropriety". What they are doing appears to be improper, even if they are only drinking water. What is pictured looks like a meeting to the Average Joe.

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another_local 6 years, 9 months ago

Now that the time and place is announced... I guess it is a public meeting and complies with the sunshine law.... Just kidding.

Lighten up you guys or move someplace other than a mountain town. There is no problem here.

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Ilike2dv8 6 years, 9 months ago

Conspiracy Theorists!!! I'm amazed at most of the comments above and especially those by council member Ivancie. Geez he has an incredibly short memory. The last council violated nearly every rule and ethic possible including Steve. I'm sure it would be better for the community for these council members to leave the meetings loathing each other for I'm sure they would accomplish so much more for the people. It works so well at the national level it's definitely something our small town should aspire to. Anyone who's never had a glass of wine or a quick beer with a friend should throw the first stone.

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quietman 6 years, 9 months ago

another local...So it's OK for this or any other mountain town to ignore, or pick and choose what laws it wants to obey? You move, because if this is "no problem" for you it's makes me sad. I can only hope your opinion is solely yours, because if a signifinant number of citizens have your attitude, Steamboat Springs can't survive your type. There are too many major decisions in Steamboat's future to allow and condone this behaviour. It's obvious we don't have a council that can make responsible decisions, so I am in favor of replacing them. The Sunshine Law is not that complicated or difficult to obey.

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nofear 6 years, 9 months ago

dv8-

Having a beer with a friend does not create policy that effects a community. This group knew when they were elected that different rules apply to public officials. They were told what those rules were.

They are empowered to make decisions on our behalf and to make those decisions, they must take input from us. They cannot sit in a bar somewhere and listen to only their own opinions on community topics then, arrive at the meeting with decision in hand and no need to listen to their constituency. How many historic decisions have been made in bars, backrooms or secret meetings that effected the people they were supposed to be serving? Enter the reason for the Sunshine Law.

Mr. Ivancie understands those rules and abides by them. He is the kind of representative I hope for and am sorry he seems to be the only responsible official we have right now.

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quietman 6 years, 9 months ago

ilike....What laws and rules did the previous council violate? And....I hope you have a front page photo to back it up.

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ourtown 6 years, 9 months ago

Is the point whether or not they can go to a bar together or, is the more important point that they chose to do so knowing there was a state law? I think we should be concerned about our representatives making excuses that THEY chose to go out after their meetings. It isn't their choice. It's a law for a reason. Oh wait, maybe they voted on it at a Harwig's meeting and decided it was ok. Therein lies the problem.

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Ilike2dv8 6 years, 9 months ago

There were many decisions made behind closed doors by the last council then voted upon in public. As for the photo... there were none because those meetings intentionally did not take place in public. If you are wondering which decisions... that could take a while but to start we could start with the firing of Paul Hughes at approximately 11:00 pm after the room had cleared. This was clearly a calculated and deliberate move and although I didn't support Mr. Hughes, what was done was wrong. The last council started their term by removing key members of the planning commission and replacing them with their hand picked followers... this was an unprecented move and one I will not forgive, again, this was decided behind closed doors. I won't even get into public ordinances that were drafted by council members and their friends in private settings. Having a beer after a public meeting does not mean that anyone is deciding anything or creating public policy. How about Mr. Quietman give a few examples of where the current council has made any decisions behind closed doors...

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jeep 6 years, 9 months ago

tuff guy-- don't let the welcome to Colorado sign hit you on the way out. take the other newbies with you.

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Kevin Nerney 6 years, 9 months ago

Hey Bubba-- Answer the following questions? Did Lettunich score 100% on his bar exam and finish #1 in his class? Did Foote score 100% on his bar exam and finish #1 in his law class? Did Hermanicski score !00% on her bar exam and finish #1 in law school? They all said they didn't think it was a problem. Well those who did score better on those aforementioned exams would "think "otherwise and hence have real jobs sitting on a bench somewhere instead of a bar stool in SS. I think it's a disgrace and they are hypocrites. Someone said in a previous blog that I had a shovel and was using it for something or other I don't remember or care but now that shovel will be used to dig the hole deeper so that city council won't be able to get out of it when I sue the crap out of them. ( no caps for council intentionally they don't deserve it.)

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igtmybts_on 6 years, 9 months ago

ya know i'd love to join city council and discuss many MANY problems i have with this only if i had to guess they are probably meeting in the private basement room of harwigs and you cant get in there with out an invite

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bcpow 6 years, 9 months ago

Did you guys get outside today?

Might help.

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nofear 6 years, 9 months ago

Sorry for cutting in on you Quiet one but you asked a good question.

dv8- People seem to forget that Paul Hughes RESIGNED in October 2003. When he RESIGNED, the seated council felt he should stay on for another year. In December 2003, the newly elected council, with a 5-2 vote in PUBLIC hearing, chose to end that extension December 31, 2003. The room was empty because many council meetings, (especially late ones) are not well attended by us. Most comments in this forum attest to that! The meeting was a normal council meeting, therefore was PUBLIC, the meeting room was PUBLIC, the lively discussion was PUBLIC and the vote was PUBLIC. Sorry you left before that.

Planning Commission, let' talk about that. Applications are taken, again open to all of the public, to fill the positions of the commission seats. (Perhaps you have seen the LONG running ad for applicants!) The seated council then interviews applicants and chooses members for the commission. It has been done this way for over 15 years. So, you're right, every council hand picks who they want to fill open commission seats. Planning commission interviews were held last week and the seated council again hand picked commissioners. Who do you feel is a "key person" on a volunteer, unpaid commission? Are you upset Ms. Hermacinski and Mr. Myller were chosen? Did you apply and were you not chosen?

Council members, citizens or even you, waking up from a nightmare in the middle of the night, could DRAFT an ordinance. All potential ordinance legislation isl treated exactly the same. There are at least two PUBLIC, advertised, posted hearings. Sometimes more meetings occur if the ordinance is amended in any way but there are never fewer than two. Drafting a document does not make policy, the PUBLIC hearings and PUBLIC vote do.

Having a beer after a meeting is not the problem. Justifying their choice to ignore the law is.

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stompk 6 years, 9 months ago

At the office, the public agenda is discussed.

At the bar, the deals are made.

I'm sure the spouses appreciate this one.

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Friday 6 years, 9 months ago

Here's the rule...no public business can be discussed...period. They are gathering in a public place to be social. This does not constitute back room deal-making. If the rule states that such public officials can not gather period, regardless of whether public business is being discussed...then there is an issue. But that's not the law. These individuals are meeting in a public place to be social...they are not meeting in the wine cellar...they are not making back room deals. This is not a quorum convening to discuss public business. Again, a quorum is allowed to be present...there is no law against that...as long as public business is not being discussed!

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nofear 6 years, 9 months ago

What member of the public would know the topics of discussion? Perception is everything. Avoid the gathering, avoid the problem.

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JLM 6 years, 9 months ago

The rules pertaining to open meetings exist for a very good reason --- the people's business should be conducted before a quorom, in public subject to posted notice of meetings, written agendae, public input and detailed minutes subject to review and approval.

Public officials conduct their policy deliberations in public with public input and their discussions and votes are witnessed by the public. This is the bedrock of public accountability.

The prohibition against allowing a quorom to convene without any of the other safeguards in place is a reasonable rule which prevents honest folks from allowing an inadvertant meeting to actually drift into unfocused or accidental policy discussions --- which are expressly forbidden --- and policy formulation or decisionmaking.

The rigor of public meetings and their attendant safeguards is not just the law to ensure that policy is not made behind closed doors by a handful of folks but also ensures that decisions are tempered by public input, just a smidgen of reality and accountability.

Governing is serious business and the public is entitled to have their elected representatives follow the rules. This is where the public trust is spawned and ultimately reinforced --- our representatives playing by the same rules as every other elected official.

Why would an elected official allow themself to be drawn into a situation wherein their intentions could possibly be questioned? Why? Because they need to relax? Relax?

A prudent elected official avoids even the appearance of impropriety. An elected official does not allow themselves to be in a situation wherein they must rise to their own defense.

The City Attorney is a buffoon if he cannot provide advice which is subtle enough to discriminate between the law, the absolute provisions of the law and "good public policy."

It is not good public policy for a quorom of the City Council to convene anywhere according to plan without the requisite notification, etc.; and, particularly after a City Council meeting at which discussion was had and votes taken.

The article clearly alleges that inappropriate --- illegal --- policy conversations have, in fact, occurred and that these are not "chance" social meetings.

One of the challenges of public service is that you cannot simplly do whatever feels good and is what you simply want to do --- and yes, sometimes that may suck.

This is bad --- and prospectively illegal --- public policy. And bad public policy leads to more bad public policy.

Duty --- what you have to do when sometimes you don't want to do it. Do your duty, Council. Grow up and behave. Life in SBS does not suck.

And, hey, have a nice damn day!

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armchairqb 6 years, 9 months ago

Have no fear folks. all is safe. Julie Jordan and Joel Rae are not pictured and since they are the ones running the show no policy can be made. Drink up

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Lark 6 years, 9 months ago

OH. MY. GOSH.

I saw this thread starting at 8am this morning and thought it was ridiculous then. Seriously. I mean... really. People getting together (after work) to be social?!?! What is wrong with them? (answer: NOTHING, they have a more healthy working relationship then I do with my coworkers, apparently).

"This counsel needs to stop acting like a small town counsel."

And I think, indeed they have (finally). Now if only the people posting to this site could "stop acting like a small town" news-readership.

I often wonder why there seem to be so many out-of-touch people that comment on stories here.. The reason is, the people who are out of touch with reality (aka, vocal minority) know that they have a (captive) pulpit here. Nobody on the street would listen to their crazy rantings.

Go outside! Smile at what a beautiful day it was today!

And remember: EVERYBODY IS NOT OUT TO GET YOU! Jeez!

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speakingup 6 years, 9 months ago

The Colorado Sunshine Law generally requires that any state or local governmental body that meets to discuss public business or to take formal action do so in meetings that are open to the public. Under the law (ยง 24-6402, C.R.S.), "meeting" refers to any kind of gathering, convened to discuss public business, whether in person, by telephone, electronically, or by other means of communication. Electronic mail messages can be considered "meetings" under the statute.

While the statute makes allowances for chance meetings or social occasions where public business is not the central purpose of the meeting, I believe these kind of social occasions apply to the community events that the Council members are so often invited to. Those types of social events are indeed public and not conducive to the discussion of Council business.

But gathering after meetings at a location were very little public is present, is indeed conducive to the discussion of Council business. I'm especially concerned because Cari has so often shown up at meetings with prewritten motions, has argued against public comment, and by her comments seems to have little regard for even the appearance of following the law. This council has also frequently had discussions on items that are not on the public agenda. Without a concerned citizen or two to hold them to legal standards this council might have even voted on items that the public never heard about. By and large they seem to act as if they are above the law.

These acts of hubris really concern me and I'm not sure we can afford to let this attitude continue. Thank you, Steve for sticking up for the average citizen!

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digit1964 6 years, 9 months ago

There goes my great tips (usually a slow night)!

thanks you wackos.

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dogd 6 years, 9 months ago

If they continue to meet, as usual, after this, the level of arrogance will be pretty ridiculous, and the voters will know that they just elected a few more mistakes.

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Nitro 6 years, 9 months ago

"Lettunich said he has discussed the weekly gathering at Harwigs with council members. He is comfortable that the gatherings are legal, and he leaves it to council to determine whether they're wise."

Council - after reading these comments, does it appear to your constituents that continuing these gatherings is "wise"?

The common theme throughout the comments seems to be "perception." Are you honestly comfortable continuing this practice, which to others, conveys the appearance of complicity? This practice only exacerbates the notion that you meet in other places besides Council chambers to formulate policy without public input.

Sorry to say, but you opted to become elected officials, so now it's time to act like one. Sorry if it sucks.

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speakingup 6 years, 9 months ago

Hunterdog- I for one am not deluded; I do believe these folks do business without us around, and I don't like it. If Kevin Nearney sues the Council, I'll be right there with him. I know a few other folks that feel the same way.

If we, the citizens start to take action, the Council may start to take us seriously!

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jeep 6 years, 9 months ago

i just got a norton security intrusion -portscan- med risk from this blog- im'gone

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jeep 6 years, 9 months ago

hi tuff guy I'm 34 yrs in the boat , this city does not sux.(your spelling) I've have two on you . if you don't like it here anymore I'm sorry you have to leave. maybe things just didn't work out for you, but don't take our city down just because your are. happy trails

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inmate2007 6 years, 9 months ago

digit1964, Who pays? Are you providing separate checks? Or do they take turns? Who gets the receipt? Or is there a developer that treats them?

If it's truly social where are their spouses or the general public? The picture shows only the quorum, was anyone afraid to be seen with them?

Do you now understand how this situation is subject to abuse? Or that that council could be accused of illegal acts!

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armchairqb 6 years, 9 months ago

OK City Council: Ask yourself this: "Am I I've GOOD Moral Character?" My guess, is alot of you will hesitate before answering. And I know the answer for Louie.....NO!!!!!!

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424now 6 years, 9 months ago

So there are few people in there when the council is present. Are there more people there than there were in chambers?

Lets all go to Harwigs after the meeting. We'll get tables around theirs and eavesdrop on them.

That would put an end to their "social" gathering.

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Matthew Stoddard 6 years, 9 months ago

Come see the "Council" in action next week at the Steamboat Mountain Theater in "Trading Bases," for Pirate Theater!

plug, plug

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424now 6 years, 9 months ago

Jiminy Crickets that'll be a show alright! No really, I am not kidding. TV just isn't what it used to be.

Matt, can they Act?

Honest opinion now no kissin up.

Will it be worth the ticket?

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424now 6 years, 9 months ago

And if the council quits going to Haewigs then all you drinkers take a night a week to donate to the save the digit fund.

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Matthew Stoddard 6 years, 9 months ago

424- The Pirate newspaper is out right now. You can find it...in a lot of places. LOL! Hell, send me a PM and I'll bring you a few to give to friends. (It also is the Playbill for the show) Take a look. Sounds like you've never seen one of the shows before. If not, you've missed some of the best stuff on stage ever!!

The Pirate shows pretty much always sell out, and this one's a doozy. In fact, check out Nerney's ad in the paper. Best- ad - ever!!!!

Am I pluggin'? You bet. Even Joe Pete thought the last one was funny!

And I agree about TV: just watched the last "Jericho" after rehearsal. "Nuts!" Now I have to wait 3 week for "LOST."

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factsfirst 6 years, 9 months ago

0.3% of our population has chosen to blog about this. I don't think the Council needs to worry. I wonder how many of you actually go to more public meetings than you do bars?

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steamboatsconscience 6 years, 8 months ago

Did trio forget sunshine law? http://origin.denverpost.com/headlines/ci_8733036 One of the most valuable assets a government has is the trust it forges with its constituents.

The practice by Denver City Council members of meeting privately and discussing official business in what looks to us like a violation of state open meeting laws threatens to undermine that trust.

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