Lisa Erbes surfaces for a breath while swimming laps in a pool at the Old Town Hot Springs in downtown Steamboat Springs on Thursday morning. Rate increases go into effect April 1, and many members will see their rates double or even triple.

Photo by Brian Ray

Lisa Erbes surfaces for a breath while swimming laps in a pool at the Old Town Hot Springs in downtown Steamboat Springs on Thursday morning. Rate increases go into effect April 1, and many members will see their rates double or even triple.

Hot Springs rates on rise

Old Town facility to use revenue for capital projects

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Old Town Hot Springs rate increases

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Lifetime member annual rates

Family w/kids $650 $325

Adult $400 $200

Senior $275 $75

Non-lifetime member annual rates

Family w/kids $900 $600

Adult $550 $300

Senior $450 $125

Lifetime six-month rates

Family w/kids $450 $245

Adult $275 $135

Senior $195 $60

Non-lifetime six-month rates

Family w/kids $650 $450

Adult $400 $225

Senior $300 $100

Lifetime monthly rates

Family w/kids $80 $50

Adult $50 $25

Senior $35 $15

Non-lifetime monthly rates

Family w/kids $135 $100

Adult $70 $50

Senior $55 $30

- New rates include capital development assessment fee

Source: Old Town Hot Springs; new rates can be found on the Web at www.oldtownhotspr..., through the "Membership" link

— When rate increases go into effect April 1, many Old Town Hot Springs members will see their rates double, and in some rate categories, even triple.

Members of the nonprofit downtown recreation facility will be charged increased dues and an additional capital development assessment fee to fund further construction at the facility, including a revamp of its existing fitness center.

With a family of four, Steamboat Springs resident Dan Elliott will see his annual fees jump from $600 to $900.

"That's a pretty good whack," Elliott said. "It's going to be hard for people who've been members awhile."

Beginning April 1, a capital development assessment fee of $100 for an individual and $150 for a family will be added to all membership fees. The fee will be strictly devoted to Phase II construction costs and will be re-evaluated in three years, according to Old Town Hot Springs officials.

Phase I of the construction, which included work on the facility's pools and waterslides, is nearing completion. Phase II will include significant work to the fitness portion of the recreation center, including the expansion of the second floor over the existing parking lot.

Old Town Hot Springs' Board of Directors considered several ways to finance the construction but determined raising approximately $500,000 a year through the capital development assessment was the best way to go, said Bud Romberg, president of the board.

Phases I and II and construction at Old Town Hot Springs were outlined in the 2005 Master Plan, but since that time, increasing costs call for additional revenue.

"As with everybody else that's constructing, prices went up. And we already didn't think we'd have enough money to do all of it," Romberg said. "We promised our membership that we would do the fitness side as well as the waterslides."

Old Town Hot Springs will not proceed with Phase II until its officials are confident they can fund it, but the project will hopefully be completed within a few years, Romberg said.

"We don't want to be hanging out on a limb and putting the association and the association's assets at risk," Romberg said. "I think we need to be prudently cautious, especially given the national downturn in the economy."

Final plans for Phase II are in limbo, as the adjacent U.S. Postal Service building currently is being considered for demolition, Romberg said.

Three-installment payment plans will be available for people purchasing one-year and six-month memberships under the new fee structure, and people still will be able to trade work hours at Old Town Hot Springs for memberships.

"Everyone gripes about the cost of living here - but for what you get it's not so bad," Elliott said. "That's what you'd pay at any health club."

In November, a ballot measure to fund a $34 million recreation center through property taxes was shot down by almost 80 percent of local voters. The monthly tax increase for residential property owners would have been about $2.75 per $100,000 of assessed value, or about $250 a year for a home with an assessed value of $750,000. Commercial properties would have experienced a significantly higher tax increase.

The proposed rec center's annual membership cost for a family of city residents would have been $600. An adult annual membership fee would have been $330. Fees would have been higher for nonresidents.

That recreation facility would have been 67,000 square feet and included, among other features, an indoor lap pool, indoor leisure pool, double gymnasium with track, fitness facility, locker rooms, youth and teen centers, an indoor playground, a party room and outdoor fields.

- To reach Melinda Dudley, call 871-4203

or e-mail mdudley@steamboatpilot.com

Comments

bloggyblog 6 years ago

bloggy's lifetime membership is doubling in cost! OUCH!! blog can understand a little rate increase but a 100% rate increase is kinda ridiculous. another example of steamboat pricing the working class out of town.

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Matthew Stoddard 6 years ago

BoulderGrad and Books tried to give us the benefits of a brand new complex; not a refurbished one. There is nobody to blame for this price increase but the OTHS Board. At least you don't have to worry about it affecting your taxes, though.

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wizzer 6 years ago

The ultimate protest is to not pay for the membership. If membership decreases significantly, the board will notice. It may end up being my family's choice out of necessity. I wonder if they calculated in a certain percentage drop in membership when they decided to double fees. I would say an 25% decrease is not out of the question.

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scooter 6 years ago

Wizzer,

If you're right: then they win. The math reveals a 33% increase in revenue, and a 25% reduction of bodies: leaving more room for tourists.

I don't I'm going to renew either. I think it stinks!

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colobob 6 years ago

RIFF RAFF appears to exist in ALL tax brackets!

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elk2 6 years ago

How about screwing the tourists for a change instead of the faithful residents of SS.

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AmebaTost 6 years ago

addlip2u, you are so right on. those folks couldn't manage a 1 man parade. this could just be there way to thin out the local usage. what a bull@$%# operation!!!!!

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elkeye 6 years ago

"Final plans for Phase II are in limbo, as the adjacent U.S. Postal Service building currently is being considered for demolition" and how do you plan on paying for the U.S. Postal Service "land"?

Even if the U.S. Postal Service parcel was "gifted" to the Old Town Hot Springs (OTHS), how would the OTHS pay for any improvements on the adjacent U.S. Postal Service site?

Unless "BoulderGrad" or "Books" care to write a big check ($6-10M) for their beloved indoor competition pool and diving well, the OTHS should focus on what it has already promised its members.

Its time that the OTHS have a reality check!

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addlip2U 6 years ago

"We promised our membership that we would do the fitness side as well as the waterslides." The membership did not ask for the new waterslides!!! Majority of the life time members use the outdoor pool and fitness center. The Board of Directors indicated that the reason for the water slide was to attract more tourists and the members would not be burden with that cost as that was to be recovered with fees paid by tourists.

Due to the Board of Directors incompetence to properly budget, manage and control the construction and its cost and schedule, the completion was delayed. And now they want to recover their inadequacy of resources by raising fees to their loyal members?

How many members will have to drop out as the fee DOUBLE for a single lifetime member? (Adult is $200 increasing to $400 annually).

This is a disgrace and insult to life time members.

The increase of annual fees, as well as other major decision affecting its members should be put to the vote to the of life time members?

The Board of Directors was afraid of competition so it built more than it could afford. Shame on you for now sticking it to your loyal members!

We have no confidence of you being responsible when it comes to the Phase II, III or what ever is in your pipe dream.

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boat_the_boat 6 years ago

I think this is a travesty, OTHS goes on a campaign to tank the proposed Recreation Center with a mailer touting all the benefits of their facility and all the benefits to the local community and then they complete a remodel that in my opinion was tailored to the out of town user and ask all their local members to deal with the construction issues with patience, what thanks do we get::..nearly doubled membership dues? A community based non-profit worried more about money than community good:..sounds a little too corporate to me. I urge all members offended by this rate increase to write the board of directors letting them know how misaligned their priorities seem to be!

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panky 6 years ago

On the same day that we got the letter from Mr. Romberg telling of this Health & Rec increase there was a notice from YVEA bracing us for an increased cost for electricity.

Other "real life" costs (heating, electricity, snow removal, groceries, gasoline) have really taken a bite out of the old budget. Our income hasn't increased and it'll only go so far.

So now a health club membership seems unnecessary and a luxury. Sadly it's one I don't think we can afford any more.

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OnTheBusGus 6 years ago

That is a huge increase! With prices of everything going up in town, I think it's time to ask the boss for a raise! Geez! I think that the membership numbers will drop especially since the increase is starting in April and I would think that a lot of people would choose not to pay for a membership at the start of the summer with all the outdoor activities we have around here. I guess time will tell but I am not renewing my membership in April. Good idea boattheboat, I will send the board a letter!

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foodchain 6 years ago

My family is elated about the increase. We think that the rates should be even higher so that membership would be more exclusive. It should be raised to at least the level at which there is more revenue net revenue with at least 1/3 less members.

My family would be willing to pay 5K per person if that would keep the pool clean and keep the riff raff OUT.

The rates at OTHS/ SSHRA have been too low for too long. For those of you who have gotten used to that, you need a reality check. You would not be granted admittance to a skank YMCA in Des Moines for the price you are now paying at OTHS.

The Board should consider tiered memberships. We would be willing to pay double or more for a 'Platinum Membership" if that would allow special gym and swim hours when the cheapskates and proletariat would be excluded.

And here is a hint to OntheBusGus: Try asking for a raise based on your own merit, performance and productivity. Your boss does not owe you a living or even a gym pass. She owes you pay for performance, you g.d. socialist.

In our business, anyone who would ask for a raise based on their cost of living as opposed to performance and productivity would not have gained employment in the business in the first place. Your mind set as to how and why you should be paid for your work will keep you at the bottom of the food chain until you wise up and pass Capitalism 101.

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foodchain 6 years ago

Those of you who are not willing to pay at least 500 per person are a disgrace to the OTHS. Please do not renew your membership.

Hopefully rates will rise above 1K per person. I would rather not work out in the presence of one who would pay less.

For those who agree with my family, PLEASE support the Board and SUPPORT the rate increases. Ask for higher rates, cleaner pools and equipment and more exclusivity.

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Matthew Stoddard 6 years ago

Foodchain- I don't believe the OTHS can do what you say, but I can't say for sure. They are a Non-Profit business.

As for your comment to OntheBusGus...try not giving a raise to any of your workers that simply ask for one. There are jobs everywhere that still aren't filled and they can have their pick. Good luck! (And people wonder why there are so many imported workers! LOL!)

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AmebaTost 6 years ago

sounds like foodchain is overdue for his medication!! I wish I knew what business your in, oh yeh the one with all the happy employees, NOT!!

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colobob 6 years ago

please send us the name and addresses of your employees..............we'd like to send them a sympathy card. May God Bless your sorry soul!

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foodchain 6 years ago

Kielbasa, the fact that OTHS is a 401 (c) 3 entity does not in itself prevent the Board from deciding to raise rates or levy assessments upon the members to the point that that there is significant reduction in membership but an increase in revenue.

The non-profit status affects how revenue retained. Non-profit status does not cap collection of revenue, nor does it necessarily limit the compensation of those who are employed by the "non-profit".

Certainly, some individuals and families will not renew because of the higher rates. That attrition in membership could result in the necessity further increases in dues if the attrition is such that the current increase falls short of that which is necessary to cover the cost of the capital improvements.

Again, my family hopes that the Board decides to continue to make capital improvements and to fund those improvements by significant increases in dues. Members can and should be subject to special assessments in addition to dues to fund capital improvements approved by the Board. Those of you who are unfamiliar with the concepts I propose have obviously never been a member of a County Club. As to those of you who are in favor of what I propose, please lobby the Board accordingly.

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foodchain 6 years ago

p.s. We do not need blessings from God or any other hand outs. Why do so many people in this community have a sense of entitlement to gifts or blessings from God, a ski resort, or the BOD of the OTHS.

"There is no such thing as a free lunch" --Milton Friedman

In other words, in the real world you get that for which you pay, not that for which you pray.

Wake up to capitalism. Sheezuz.

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colobob 6 years ago

sounds to me like you could use all the blessings you can get. I really feel sorry for you. Hope you don't find yourself at the bottom of the foochain some day, then again a little humility might be good four your soul. Enjoy your Dom. & God Bless you anyway!

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Ed Miklus 6 years ago

OTHS does not even come close to a high end facility or even the gyms of some of the "chains." The "improvements" in the weight training and cardio areas were essentially rearranging the deck chairs. We are still crowded with shopworn outdated equipment. The rate of increases of near 100% would not survive in a P&L environment.

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Books 6 years ago

The maximum capacity of OTHP is determined by the number of parking spaces in their parking lot. If they are planning a major expansion they need more parking. The city should not give them a free pass on the downtown parking requirements.

I was there a few days ago around 4 p.m. and the parking lot was full. We parked over by the bank and hiked in. I saw a few locals but most were tourists. It cost me $49 for one adult and two kids, including towels and slide tickets. (This is the only rec center I've ever been to that charged for the slide and had such limited hours) The slide was so crowded that we never went down it even though the kids had unlimited slide tickets. I overheard a few people complaining about the dark slides scraping off their skin.

Foodchain is probably right about OTHP turning into a high-end spa. That seems to be the direction this is going. Higher prices means fewer members. Fewer members means even higher prices. Once the management figures out that fewer members will pay even higher-higher prices they will give everyone else the final boot. A handful of those high-enders and the tourists and that's all they need. But at least that idea fits with the size of the parking lot. There is no realistic way to expand OTHP to handle the crowds anyway.

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foodchain 6 years ago

ok, then. Let's have it your way.

May God bless all of us with a free health clup and nice swimming pools filled with holy water!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I will do penance for offending your socialist sensibilities by swimming for all eternity in the hot boiling pools of HELL. Or will 25 laps in the cholera water of some YMCA on S. Colfax due now? Oh wait, swimming THERE would probably cost more than the current rate at the OTHS.

I do not understand the that the desire to pay for what one uses/ wants to one's humility quotient. Rather, I wonder if it those who want below market rate housing and health clubs who need a dose of humility.

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Matthew Stoddard 6 years ago

And here I thought Socialists (read: Liberals) were "Godless," according to Ann Coulphradite. I also thought that this was the definition of:

humili*ty /hyuË mÉlÉti or, often, yu-/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[hyoo-mil-i-tee or, often, yoo-] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation

noun the quality or condition of being humble; modest opinion or estimate of one's own importance, rank, etc.

Modest opinion. Not seeing it from foodchain's post which exudes self-importance.

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scooter 6 years ago

My my,,,, the riff raff. Who exactly would that be? Anyone who actually works for living rather than what? Being born into the right family. Oh, the love of Steamboat is very evident in this blog today. I was going to end with happy holidays but, gee I wouldn't want to offend anyone. By the way "foodchain" I assume that you are voting for McCain...

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Matthew Stoddard 6 years ago

Not even worth it to go thru it with you. Your pocketbook, do with it as you see fit for a refurbished Country Club. The crap you're spouting is much worse than what the Bore says, in my opinion. At least I can attribute his crap to just being out of touch. Yours? Not even gonna bother with the elitist BS.

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STEMBOATwannabe 6 years ago

if you don't use the pool.... Don't join A treadmill at home would only cost you about $1000. Every two years you could upgrade and add another machine to your home workout room.

If no one re-joines the facility from April through September, there could be a scare that the total membership numbers ( total $ or total members) would fail to bring in enough revenue to support the facility. Then the board may offer memberships at a discount. A sale !!!

Residents should wait for a membership special.

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secretshopper 6 years ago

I just hate how this media machine keeps trying to promote a new rec center that was beaten so badly by the voters. The Pilot keeps pushing forward when ever and where ever they can to positivly plug the failed measure. That last paragraph in this artical is so one-sided. If your going to print something like that paragraph, I would think you might want to put some thought into it, or maybe the editor should anyway. At least tell it like it was. It's getting to be like you can't even trust your small town paper anymore.

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elk2 6 years ago

DAHLING: shall we meet at the OTHS with our polo ponies?

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Matthew Stoddard 6 years ago

Secretshopper- Do you then have a membership and were you then expecting to basically double once the vote was defeated?

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bloggyblog 6 years ago

blog is going to open a hot dog stand out front of health and rec this summer and sell hot dogs for a dollar! except for you foodchain, your hot dog will be $97.50.

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Matthew Stoddard 6 years ago

bloggy- Make sure you get a permit!! Some snob might turn you in and make you stand away from your stand during your business hours!

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colowoodsman 6 years ago

I think what we really need is more accountability from the board of directors. The charter for the OTHS (what happpened to SSHRA?) is very old and was not designed for the urban/touism enviorment of today. I think it was meant to be for private membership with limited public access. I do not think the slides OR public access 'pay their own way' or contribute to the coffers but are being used as a 'tourist attraction' for the town and to make money for the bank of one of the board members. I would like to see the City build its own Rec Center but since it would NOT be a tourist amenity like the ball parks that probably won't happen.

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jack legrice 6 years ago

Have been member since '73. It has always been a good deal. Sorry so many of you feel slighted. No one is asking you to join. If you feel so strong about it go statr your own rec center. It will be nice without all the complaing. The OTHS will survive without you.

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bartender 6 years ago

Dear foodchain,

I like your idea. Since you obviously have the finances, why don't you open an "elite" health club. It can be for you and all your friends of extreme wealth. Hidden and secret so no one bothers you. Call it Steamboatian Grove. You won't be bothered by anyone. And you will not be bothering me while I am trying to really work out.

I understand your philosophies of social stratification. However, there is the reality of those who do not have the expendable income you have to spoil your family with. They (and we) are called hardworking people. Whether it's the single mother who works 3 jobs to support her kids, or the 20 year old who just moved to town and works 80 hours a week because his father can't afford to buy him a house here. (Thank God his father taught him a work ethic.) Probably the same people you look at and think "God, I am glad I am not like them and have to work hard". These are people of character and integrity. These are the realities of Steamboat. Not the easy life. We deserve and pay for a place to enjoy.

Honestly, you can take all your elitist friends with you. They annoy the @#%^ out of me. You guys are not out of touch with reality. Just money creates and rules your reality. Besides; your H3 Hummers that you can remote start from the weight room take up to much space in the limited parking. There, Steamboatian Grove will not even need bellmen. Nah, I am sure you will have them anyway.

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bartender 6 years ago

I have been to other facilities. I do not agree that OTHS is worth more than any other. A matter of fact, it fails to compare to some. i.e. Glenwood Springs. Remarkable facility, worth the extra money for sure. The people who run that facility really take pride in it and it shows. Every time I have been there it is spotless and clean. From the weight room to the locker room, people are there keeping it up. Compared to OTHS that is filthy. The "newly remodeled" locker rooms are disgusting and smelly. The weight equipment is old and just a joke as far as quantity and quality. Not to mention the weight rooms are usually in shambles.

The Dictator, ahem; Director Pat, well; as far as that goes, I think last year I mentioned she would be "over schedule and over budget" on this project just like everything she has done before. And she lives up to her reputation. I think she assumes people think she is just a hard lined business woman. That's the not way people describe her to me nor them impression I get from from her. Unreasonable, unrealistic, self serving, irresponsible with your money.

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foodchain 6 years ago

No thanks. I love OTHS. I just think that the price of admit has been artificially low for too long. I am not sorry if I bother you when I work out there. Sounds like that will not be a problem for long...

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contrarian 6 years ago

Non-lifetime member annual rate: $550 That's $1.51 per day. Seems like a bargain to me and it does not raise taxes as the propsed facility that was shot down by the voters would have. If you don't want to pay the buck and a half, you can volunteer in exchange for use of the facilities. If you don't want to do either, no one is forcing you to go there. There are numerous other gyms in town (all cost more for less in the way of facilities) or you can hike, bike, and cross-country ski for free. Or - perish the thought - spend less time crying on this board every day and work one extra hour per week and you'll have your membership paid for with leftover change for a bagel and coffee.

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Books 6 years ago

secretshopper - I think the Pilot was just being subtle, they should have gone on to point out the obvious, that instead of spending a bunch of money on a lame expansion of an overcrowded rec center at the most congested intersection in NW Colorado, you could have instead spent about the same amount and had a much larger brand new facility with a bunch more amenities that could handle a lot more people.

OTHS group's biggest argument was that the new rec center was too expensive, then six months later they go and stick their own members for huge ongoing assessments and fees that are for most members more that the new rec center would have been.

I do appreciate one thing though, I am not a member, so I think it's really nice of you and elkeye to fund the expansion, so I can pop in every now and then and use the place. You are saving me a bunch of money. Thanks!

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Matthew Stoddard 6 years ago

Books- LOL!!!! "I do appreciate one thing though, I am not a member, so I think it's really nice of you and elkeye to fund the expansion, so I can pop in every now and then and use the place. You are saving me a bunch of money. Thanks!"

Too true. Just wondering- did any member get a notice during the vote to say there would be a rate increase to this degree in anticipation of the new phases, or is this the first notice of intent to "raise the roof?"

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stmbtprof 6 years ago

This has been coming for along time..Pat Carney hand picks her board, her staff and this is her empire...IT IS A DISGRACE TO LOGN TIME LOCAL LIFE MEMBERS WHO CANNOT AFFOR TO PAY...THEY SHOULD HAVE GRANFATHERED SOMETHING IN FOR RESIDENTS AND START RUNNING AS A NON-PROFIT ANDGOUGING THE TOURIST AND NEWCOMERS....I AM READY TO LEAVE....I AM TRULY DISGUSTED STEAMBOAT ISNT HTE SAME AND I HAVEA GREAT JOB TERRIFIC HOME, BUT HAVE EMPATHY FOR THOSE WHO DONT AND ALSO HAVE HIGHER EDUCATION BUT MAKING LOW WAGES...wE HAVE TRULY BEEN CALIFORNICATED AND APENIZED....i AM DISMAYED , DISHEARTENED, BUT NOT REALLY SURPRISED BY THIS....i AM GIVING UP MY LOCKER AND MEMBERSHIP NEXT MONTH....

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OnTheBusGus 6 years ago

Foodchain is a wannabe Aspen elitist. Probably never ever lived in Aspen, priced out by the billionaires, and lived gasp down valley!! Foodchain can have his/her Aspen Club exclusive membership or build one in Steamboat with foodchain's vast wealth. I don't really use SSHRA for the pools unless I can get there in the a.m. before they get a bunch of kid snot in them. I like the gym, machines and yoga classes but I can get all that elsewhere for less. As mentioned before, a home gym is comparable, I just gotta make space in the guest room! As for my asking for a COLA increase from my employer, that was a joke. (Then again don't Gov't employees get COLA increases?) I am handsomely compensated and appreciated by my employer. I kick butt at my job and he knows it. I'm planning on leaving in a year or so and he doesn't know how he will replace me. Makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside... BTW, anyone for 24 hour fitness? $24 a month or $199 a year! Put in it on the west side where all the "riff raff" live!

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Witchywoman 6 years ago

Let's not forget how much the yearly locker rentals have gone up! Let's see, if I remember right less than 3 years ago it was $80.00/year. Last year it was $120.00. Hang on... it is now $175.00 a year! What the heck? I was told that the lockers are meant for those that use it. If you don't use it, you will not pay the $175.00 and someone else on the waiting list will pay it. Come on, I have had my locker for over 20 years. Yes, I use it! Why am I being penalized for using my locker? Not only that, I am being penalized for being a long-time member of OTHS and now have to pay a huge amount of my hard earned money for membership dues. What about the folks that are on a fixed income? I am not one of them, but when I work out on my lunch hour, there is a very dear man that rides the bike everyday due to health reasons. He is on a fixed income. I sure hope OTHS will give him a break in his dues!

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longtimelocal 6 years ago

My two cents (obviously not worth what it once was)

I was born and raised here, and have been going to the SSHR for as long as I can remember. I have maintained a family membership for my crew for at least 10 years. This will be the first year that I will allow it to lapse. The SSHR worked overtime to shoot down the new rec center (which I also did not want) and then they stick it up our backsides and break it off. I think they will find that the drop off in membership will offest most of the financial gain by raising the membership fee. I am sadly dissapointed by the SSHR decision to do this. What a great community resource that has been taken away from the working families of steamboat. Foodchain, your snobby attitude makes me sick. You are exactly the kind of individual that has moved into this valley and made it harder for the average working family. This is a community benefit, not a private country club. Why don't you stay on the Sheraton golf course? I will be using my home gym equipment and taking more day trips to Glenwood where the facilities are nicer anyway. Very dissapointing!

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fishy 6 years ago

I've got to wonder if foodchain is for real or just yanking everyone's chain, so to speak. If real, what incredible contempt for his fellow humans! how fitting if one of those 'porch monkeys' ends up being the doctor who saves his life someday or some such thing. the whole elitist snob pose is a stretch - obviously anyone with real class wouldn't give him the time of day after hearing the arrogant dopey comments.

books - you're right and there's no room at the OT location for the health club that's needed by stbt.

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Linda Fiorella 6 years ago

Had I known that the fees were going to raise this much, I definitely would have voted yes for the community rec center. Interesting that this information was not shared prior to the election last fall.

Because I don't live here full time, I have memberships to health clubs in two other locations. NEITHER one is as expensive as Steamboat's, and the facilities are both much better. I pay $90 a year to maintain a lifelong membership for one (I paid $400 for the original membership) and the other one is less than $100 a year as well. I like the gym here, I feel like I get a good workout in the classes, the people are great, and I'd like to continue, but they really are pricing it way out of range for the average person.

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louise 6 years ago

geez....you guys are killing me...after 30 years in this town my family of three has paid under a dollar a day to belong to the pool, and we've burnt out a treadmill or two. I'll be ok with 2 bucks a day.

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foodchain 6 years ago

Oh, I have lots of great ideas!

Fact: If there is still an infinite waiting list for a locker at the OTHS, then the price is STILL TOO LOW. Economic equilibrium anyone?

Another option I could live with would be to allocate the lockers to the fittest members, just like a golf club allocates the best parking spot to the club champion. There should be BMI testing, a swimsuit competition, races, flexibility contest and extra credit for beauty. Top finishers get the best lockers and a special parking place. Otherwise, just raise the prices of the locker, clean them up and keep raising the prices until there is no more waiting list.

The parking lot in front of OTHS should be paid parking only. Ten bucks an hour. That is valuable real estate.

Those of you who have lived here since the '70s: does City Market charge you less for groceries than those of us who have only lived here for five years? If you got your driver's license in 1940 does that mean that you are entitled to pay lower gas prices than my daughter who just started driving?

By the way, I am proud of my ownership interest in "down valley" property in Pitkin County. Darn good investment that was. It continues to appreciate and the rental income is better than steady.

The fact that my family has been in residence in Aspen (proper) for over 25 years does not guaranty that I get a locker at the Aspen Club, nor do I expect that it should. Why should anyone expect that anywhere?

I am amazed that I am personally attacked for proposing an idea that makes economic sense, that is, to raise the prices across the board (day passes and annual memberships) at OTHS, clean the place up, clear out the crowds and turn it into something lux. Or at least CLEAN. It is located on prime real estate downtown. It needs capital improvements. Basic economics dictate that OTHS must change and it will change.

For those service workers who want a cheap gym: a 24 Hour Fitness on the west side of town would perfect for your demographic. That niche will likely someday be filled.

Just because I would like OTHS to be a place at which my children can swim and train NOT in the presence of sweaty bartenders, single moms and speckley cougars does not mean that I am infinitely wealthy. $1000 bucks per person for a gym membership with locker rooms that don't stink is not at all an elitist suggestion. That is upper middle class at Midwest USA rates at best.

Those of you who do not agree with me: Your reading assignment for this week is Atlas Shrugged.

Maybe the new secret password for getting a locker at OTHS should be the answer to the question "Who is John Galt?"

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foodchain 6 years ago

ha ha Fishy, you are exempt from the reading assignment.

What is even more pitiful than those who believe they are entitled to a cheap gym on prime real estate is how easy it is to yank chain on an internet forum with random nonsense.

Suckers!

I am bored with you all for now.

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MtnWarlock 6 years ago

foodchain, I won't fall prey to the chain jerking you exhibit here. I think that your ideas of generating revenues are very capitalist! In a town that does not have the population base to support lower fees, it is understandable that OTHS would lean towards the tourist dollars for funding and raise rates. That would be a equitable business proposition. I don't believe that raising rates so high, that only a trust funded individual could afford a membership, would eliminate the so called "riff raff" you speak of! There riff raff would remain however, it would have more money than the rest! In a time that a lot of hard working people of Steamboat are getting squeezed with their finances from "all" directions, it's hard to have any sympathy for those who presumably have more than most. The one thing I can tell you is this; where ever there's a big wheel, a little dog comes along and pee's on the hub cap! I used to belong to OTHS but, canceled my membership after they demolished affordable housing for long term residence for tennis courts! As for the rest of you bloggers, I'm proud to be among the "riff raff" of Steamboat! Without us, there would be no Steamboat, because the wealthy are incapable of doing for themselves! I think the classic rock group Aerosmith wrote a song that is befitting this blog! It's called: Eat The Rich! :.Yuck! (explicative)!

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OnTheBusGus 6 years ago

Well I woke up this morning On the wrong side of the bed And how I got to thinkin' About all the things you said About ordinary people And how they make you sick And if callin' names kicks back on you Then I hope this does the trick

'Cause I'm sick of your complainin' About how many bills And I'm sick of all your bit##in' 'Bout your poodles and your pills And I just can't see no humor About your way of life And I think I can do more for you With this here fork and knife

(Chorus) Eat The Rich There's only one thing that they are good for Eat The Rich Take one bite now - come back for more Eat The Rich I gotta get this off my chest Eat The Rich Take one bite now - spit out the rest

So I called up my head shrinker And I told him what I'd done He said you best go on a diet Yeah, I hope you have some fun And a don't go burst the bubble On rich folks who get rude 'Cause you won't get in no trouble When you eats that kinda food

Now they're smokin' up their junk bonds And then they go get stiff And they're dancin' in the yacht club With Muff and uncle Biff But there's one good thing that happens When you toss your pearls to swine Their attitudes may taste like s**t But go real good with wine

Chorus

Believe in all the good things That money just can't buy Then you won't get no bellyache From eatin' humble pie I believe in rags to riches Your inheritance won't last So take your Gray poupon my friend And shove it up your a$$

Chorus

Eat The Rich There's only one thing that they are good for Eat The Rich Take one bite now - come back for more Eat The Rich Don't stop me now, I'm goin' crazy Eat The Rich That's my idea of a good time baby

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LuvTheBoat 6 years ago

"I would like OTHS to be a place at which my children can swim and train NOT in the presence of sweaty bartenders, single moms"...Ummm...what makes you think the tourists won't fall into either category. Don't you sweat when you TRAIN? You should probably train your manners and hope that your attitude doesn't rub off on your kids. One day your kids might be a sweaty bartender or a single mom, at that point would you not want to train in there presence. Im going to pee in the pool next time Im there hoping you go swimming.

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panky 6 years ago

Foodchain's contributions were too "out there" to be believed. There will be some members with a similar attitude but it will take the shape of compliance with the increase and they'll just write the check. No complaints.

On the other I hand, I am drafting my letter and if enough do the same, the cost of the increase MAY be reduced.

Perhaps the outrageous raise in dues was intentional and intended to have just such an effect. After such a huge insult will we be content with a $100 increase?

Personally I feel NO increase is acceptable to Lifetime members that paid a big upfront payment to insure their dues would never be increased.

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MtnWarlock 6 years ago

Onthebusgus, Good job adding the lyrics!

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bloggyblog 6 years ago

foodchain, thats a pretty funny game your playing. blog calls it the voice of dissension game. its how angry little bitter drones get their pathetic ya ya's off. p.s. did you really read 'atlas shrugged'? didn't know apes could read.

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foodchain 6 years ago

Thanks for the morning laugh!

Steve Tyler of Aerosmith is a regular in....ASPEN. So is his lovely daughter Liv, her husband and their beautiful toddler Liam. They are very wealthy. Does that mean you want to eat them?

Steve worked his way to his wealth and his daughter Liv has earned a good living through her own efforts. Being Steve's daughter may have helped open some doors for Liv by giving her the knowledge of the which doorbells she should ring, but she had the ability, beauty and artistic flair to open on her own, even if she would have never found out that Steve was her father.

Luvtheboat: when you pee in the pool, will you enjoy swimming in your own urine? I won't be. That is not what I am into.

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elkeye 6 years ago

When, not IF, the OTHS President and/or Executive Director go to the City Council and beg for land or money, the City Council should let this group sink or swim by their own means!

The OTHS should be required to provide adequate on-site parking for its members and guests.

The bloated $34 million recreation center was shot down by almost 80 percent of local voters for many reasons, not the least of which was the inclusion of a six-lane indoor competition pool and diving well.

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forreal 6 years ago

come on people. are we really going back and forth over this nonsense? what on earth would you do if there was a real situation going on? let these silly, nauseating, rich wastes of space spend whatever they want. at least it will keep them all in one place and the real people who work for a living can go into town with their families and not be polluted by a bunch of "show and tell" adults.

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lowerprofile 6 years ago

As a known proponent of the Rec Center, I think this is great!!!! I think they should raise the rates - raise them again. The OTHS will fail all on their own and then won't have a Rec Center to blame it on!

This just goes to show that any future City Council should not listen to one minute of the P.Carnage, B.Rumberg WHINING of "whaaaaiiiiiiittttt, whhhhaaaattt abouuuuut uuuuuuusssss????" They will tell you one thing and then go ahead and stick it to you on the other end. What if they did get the MILLIONS they were asking for? They didn't want city input AT ALL, think of the increase in rates that would have created.

THE PERSONAL IS POLITICAL, if enough people/families don't buy a membership to OTHS, your statement will be heard!

Perhaps paying $650 (annual proposed local membership PLUS the increase in taxes) doesn't sound so bad anymore especially for a clean, kid friendly, local friendly, tourist friendly, RIFF RAFF friendly, just a plain old FRIENDLY facility.

Please ---- those who were putting the REC CENTER plans together - get back together and put together a new plan. Those above who are complaining, please step up to the plate and make the PERSONAL POLITICAL!!!

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stmbtprof 6 years ago

AHA RELEIVED BY FOOD CHAINS AYN RAND QUOTE...anyone who has read and understand Ayn Rand cannot be the elitist foodchain is extolling...satire more in terms of Johnathn Swift...altho the sad part is there are still those in Stmbt who arent satirist and truly believes the way food chain writes..I still am giving up locker and membership and building my own lap pool...it is the principle of the longtime resident being screwed by an alleged NON-Profit...what is pat Carneys salary anyway????

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foodchain 6 years ago

...kind of like Francisco d'Ancona posing as a worthless playboy.

Everyone is free to shrug. I choose to.

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elkeye 6 years ago

"...those who were putting the REC CENTER plans together - get back together and put together a new plan" that does not rely upon taxpayer dollars!

Without an indoor competition pool and diving well, how may of those putting the REC CENTER plans together were there?

With an indoor competition pool and diving well, any plans for a REC CENTER are prohibitively expensive to construct and/or operate.

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btheball 6 years ago

FACT: Many people would love to see indoor water built for Steamboat Springs Residents DEPENDING ON COST.

HOT H20 SPRINGS exist perpetually on what was Indian land and is now prime real estate at the Lincoln & 3rd intersection - currently the OTHS - that would save any newly built indoor pool facility $250,000/year in operations by conservative 2007 estimates. A savings that was simply scoffed at by previous rec center proponents. Yes, overall quality and parking would need to be addressed and is being assessed in the current OTHS expansion.

FACT: Many people would love to see the recreational needs of youth/teens/adults addressed in a significant and long-term way.

Howelsen Hill exists at what is currently a mecca for youth and teens as "Jeff Temple, whose family has lived in the valley for generations, said community institutions such as the Steamboat Springs Winter Sports Club and family ranching embody the spirit of the community. "I'm biased because I have a 7- and a 10-year-old, and our best baby sitter in the world is Howelsen Hill," Temple said." http://www.steamboatpilot.com/news/20...

MANY people are biased enhancing and improving the 'recreational campus' that already exists at Howelsen Hill for the exact reason that Jeff Temple stated at that forum.

fishy: "no room at the OT location for the health club that's needed by stbt." All remains to be seen with the Post Office relocation. Anyone ever heard of tennis courts on top of a parking structure? Or on the rooftop of a hotel with underground parking? No limits to the imagination at this point. And the city already owns the land across Fish Creek Falls road. The caveat not EVERY recreational amenity fits at one site under one fiefdom, nor do they need to. People will use the new and existing facilities, especially if they are in proximity to each other. A 'semi consolidated' solution that is in cooperation with and complimentary to what we already have in Steamboat is what the community said it wanted at the many focus group meetings (Howelsen Hill solution). That is not the solution that was presented to the voters.

lowerprofile WHINING of "whaaaaiiiiiiittttt, whhhhaaaattt abouuuuut uuuuuuusssss????" Can we get outside of the box, literally, and make things happen? Even slowly but surely and with what Steamboat already has and without so much contention?

Time will tell:

And oh yea, we live in paradise already!! It's all good. Try'n to keep the conversation positive.

Check this out as a statement of where we are:

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MtnWarlock 6 years ago

foodchain, I will not think less for Steve Tyler's visiting the gawd awful place like Aspen! Everyone's makes mistakes! He's forgiven in my book!

stbtprof, Home workouts are the best! Private, you know! Social hours do not work well during workout hours for me.

All, If a individual membership were lets say, $600.00 per year. The average person goes to work out 3 days a week or 152 days per year, the cost per day to that person would be $4.00 a day. A gallon of gas is almost $4.00 and a loaf of bread is almost four bucks and the same for a pint of micro brewed beer. In a time when things are getting pricey, it's hard to see another price inflate! Broken promises and bad planning only exacerbate this issue. As to my membership::see my 1st posting here. I guess $4 bucks a day is not a bad deal! $10 or $14 bucks a day is! Please correct my math, if I'm wrong. Thanks!

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colowoodsman 6 years ago

It always comes back to the same thing- tourism is destroying Steamboat-period!

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beagle 6 years ago

elkeye, I see you're still going on about the indoor pool. Do you really think there would be a rec center without an indoor pool? It would be a joke without one. You say, "With an indoor competition pool and diving well, any plans for a REC CENTER are prohibitively expensive to construct and/or operate." I think you are wrong. An indoor six-lane competition pool and diving well are the norm for pretty much any rec center in the country. It's financially feasible elsewhere and it can be financially feasible here. Every other ski town in Colorado has one.
Face it, you fell for the OTHS bull and poor planning. Pouring more money into that project is not smart.

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armchairqb 6 years ago

Workout ? ya ain't gonna live forever!!! Wanna get in shape - it's called hard work Any of those old Italian brick layers ever go to a gym?, They were healthy as a horse and never misssed a days work and drank beer for 10 o'clock coffee break. To many sissies running around today. pass me a beer, and I'll do my 12 oz. curls

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Books 6 years ago

colowoodsman That's exactly what the Indians said.

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elkeye 6 years ago

beagle, I did not fall for the OTHS bull and poor planning.

I really don't care what the OTHS builds with their members funds, however I strongly object to the idea that this non-profit should receive any taxpayer support.

Not a member of the OTHS, never have been, never will!

A six-lane competition pool and diving well is not financially feasible without massive subsidies (usually taxpayer).

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stmbtprof 6 years ago

FOODCHAIN..VERY CLEVER..YOU SHRUG AND SO DID aTLAS of the true believer- of left or right. TO THOSE OF YOU WHO MIGHT NOT HAVE TIMETO READ AYN RAND OR CATCH FOODCHAINS ALLUSION TO THENOVEL...A BRIED SYNOPSIS

The novel's heroine, Dagny Taggart, like her alter ego Ayn Rand, is no seeker after truth; she already knows the truth. She has no curiosity about what others think or believe, because anyone who disagrees with her is, by definition, wrong.

Dagny's mission is to pound her truth into other people's thick skulls, if only those imbeciles will listen to her.

She and her like-minded allies- John Galt,

Francisco d'Ancona, Hank Rearden et al.- spend most of the book lecturing their lessers on the evils of socialism, altruism and religion and the virtues of free enterprise. The possibility that Dagny and her elite pals are fallible humans who might be mistaken about anything AS THOSE NEW STMBT WANNABE ASPENITES and might benefit from listening to others is a possibility she and they refuse to consider. How could they be mistaken, when everything these libertarians do- from the music they compose to the orgasms they reach- is beautiful and uplifting? AHFOODCHAIN I HAVE BEEN ENTERTAINED BUT AM STILL PISSED AT PAT cARNEY THE BOARD AND THE DEMISE OF ONE OF THE REASONS i MOVED TO STMBT..FOREIGN FILMS, OFF THE BEATEN PATH WHEN YOU HAD JUST COFFEE BOOKS AND AN OUTDOOR DECK AD EXCELLENT SUSHI WITHOUT BEING HIP AT YAMACHANS...

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lowerprofile 6 years ago

Elk - be careful - if Rumberg and Carnage have their way, city council will be asked (or told) they need to dump tax payer $$ into the OTHS. They had the last council by the (privates)! Do you think there is one member of council right now who isn't a current member or lifetime member there? This group of OLD BLOOD on the OTHS board positions themselves wisely (as to the MOB).

I would much rather pour my taxpayer dollars into a new worthwhile facility, than DUMP more money (from any source) into this mismanaged and poorly led excuse for a recreation facility.

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lowerprofile 6 years ago

And FoodChain - take your racist comments (3/22, 2:50pm "porch...") and go back to Aspen! See if you can find this guy... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RnyNK7...

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424now 6 years ago

Got the note, did the math, sad but true I am better off doing without the membership. OTHS See ya round.

I wonder if someone wanted to foment a rage against the OTHS they could post an idiotic rant as a trust-fund elitist. Now that would solidify the anti OTHS opinion.

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STEMBOATwannabe 6 years ago

Most Y and health clubs offer membership specials.

Just wait.

They will be scrambling to bring back the members they lost. They will have mid-day specials, short term specials. They will try to make it look more attractive to join. There is a limited number of residents in Steamboat that are considered year round. Those are the targets of most of the memberships. Day visitiors and tourists flunctuate so much that they will not be able to keep their revenue numbers up consisitantily. Also, in order to attract the Trourist and day visitiors to the facility , there is extra advertising costs for the Pilot and other publications. What is the budget for the advertising of the facility?

Just wait Steamboaters, The weather will be nice, excercise by walking or biking, etc.... Don't renew your membership for now.

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diplodocus 6 years ago

If the slides were built to attract tourists to pay for these "improvements," why aren't they. Did tourist rates go up 50%? I get tired of being lied to. Like my taxes won't go up just because evaluations increased (35% tax increase). By the way, quoting Milton Friedman does not ensure credibility; he and his U of Chicago cronies are responsible for our current administration's idiotic decisions concerning economics and foreign policy.

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Friday 6 years ago

Hey foodchain...if the single mom is wealthy and sporting Gucci tights and Jimmy Choo sneakers...can she work out next to you and your kids? Just curious. What about single dads? Are they allowed in? You know...the rich ones. And speaking of Steve Tyler, can he ride the lifecycle next to you...I mean...he's a sweaty musician known for his heavy drug use and alcoholism...but dude is loaded...so that's okay...right? How about Nicole Ritchie...single, drug addled mom...but filthy rich. She's in, right? I actually hope they don't raise the rates for one reason...maybe you'll stay home.

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btheball 6 years ago

As far as the OTHS rate hike: I don't like how this was sprung on us, admittedly, but would argue it's eventual worth. As for the article's proposed rec center "cost for a family of city residents would have been $600. An adult annual membership fee would have been $330." that was a city subsidized fee put forth by Alan Lanning et al. Check into it at a cost of about .1/2 million in losses/year paid for by the taxpayers. OTHS doesn't do that. And at least this rate hike isn't city subsidized.

More importantly, can we PLEASE NOT digress into a Rec Center-vs-OTHS debate again??? Can 'we' move forward from the overwhelming and undeniable NO on the 07 ballot measure "shot down by almost 80 percent of local voters" as the article also states?

beagle's argument that "Every other ski town in Colorado has one." just doesn't cut it. The vote shows that we, Steamboater's, aren't trying to keep up with the Jone's of Colo. Ski areas. OK? The stereotypical 'all under one roof' behemoth is not the steamboat solution simply because we are not starting with a blank slate and have never aspired to be like every other ski town. That sales pitch didn't work and the community has spoken. Get it?

elkeye is absolutely on target here and most locals are NOT foodchain er's. FYI, been there done with the Ayn Rand thing after HS as an ideology - do subscribe to the libertarian thing, actually, in a 'utopian society' if one believes in such an oxymoron?

Drop your ego's at the door and stick to the FACTS:

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hereandthere 6 years ago

Let's see, put over 25 years into building a great amenity for this town that has not cost a dime to taxpayers (and has been financially viable) and get personaly attacked. I'm surprised that anyone would want this job. Oh, I forgot, it's the huge salary that Pat Carney gets. Right! I think I will still support the current administration with there proven track record rather then a taxpayer funded facility administered by the city. As far as the pool renovation, seems like it turned out great, and to think that a project of that scope and magnitude was completed in only 8 months is pretty unbelievable. This town should be greatful that we have this facility and a management that has continued to try and improve it without requiring taxpayers to fund it.

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scooter 6 years ago

Hereandthere:

Guess what:.WRONG!!! The general consensus from the local kids has been that: "The new slides suck". They are too small, too dark, too rough on your skin, worse than the old one. One parent commented "it's unfortunate that they eliminated the opportunity of my ability to ride down with my kid". That was a big draw! The new jetted pool has so much chorine or bromine in it that you can't breathe. The old jets were stronger. The climbing wall is nothing short of a lawsuit just waiting to happen, and they really didn't gain a whole heck of a lot in the square footage of water. The whole thing is very sad. I for one had high hopes for a better OTHS with the remodel. That just didn't happen.

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bartender 6 years ago

H-n-T, That's the problem. 25 years, with all the changes (i would struggle to call most improvements), the facility is essentially the same as it was 25 years ago. From policy to decor, it's the same place. Sure they paint the walls regularly; the exact same color for 25 years. God forbid they spice up the place and add some life by adding bright and energetic colors (it actually fits well with the era of the music that is played). Have you ever walked through at 8:30 or 9:00 on a saturday night? When my family came to town and my brother wanted to go swim at 8:30, our group of 12 was turned a way. Because they close at 9. The young girl working agreed it is the busiest night of the week, yet "WE HAVE ALWAYS" closed at nine on saturdays, and she went as far as to say she would not be leaving till pretty late anyway because it is such a task to get people to leave. There were about 30 people in the lobby, and about 60 in the pools and they turned away my group of 12 and about 12 to 15 other people at $12 a piece. But "WE HAVE ALWAYS CLOSED AT 9".

25 years of "service" is enough. It has only increased Pat and "her girls" comfort. It's time for change. Fresh leadership is needed to bring the OTHS out of its state of stunted growth. She may have done somethings well over her quarter century, but now she (as is the entire board) is a hinderance to any progress.

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QuitYerWhining 6 years ago

Two words come to mind...."Captive Audience" aaah aint it great to live in "paradise"....sure youre getting hosed but aint the view great while they are given'n it to ya?

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shadow 6 years ago

The annual family rate for the Breckenridge recreation center is $817 for those living in the city limits & $961 for those not.

In Silverthorne the same is $670 for residents & $900 for non-residents of Silverthorne.

Remeber, the residents had a significant mill levy assessed to their property tax in addition to those membership fees.

OTHS has been an under-appreciated bargain for decades, now they are trying to raise investment capital to build what will ultimately be a first class facility built without support from the taxpayers.

Anyone who has been a member for 20 or 30 years can appreciate the improvements. Once the spring thaw is over and the landscaping goes in we'll have a beautiful facility once again!

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skibro 6 years ago

Shadow: Absolutely NO comparison between the OTHS and the Breck and Silverthorne rec centers. The all-inclusive rec centers have SO much more to offer. You're way off base.

These prices at OTHS which have doubled (along with a $150 annual assessment to help pay their debt) get you a way-outdated lap pool with no gutters, floating hair balls and bandaids, and names carved in the dirt at the edge of the pool. The diving well is too shallow and an insurance liability. You also get sewer pipe slides that are too small, too dark, they scratch you up, and they are simply a ploy to get the tourists in the door.

Board members on the board for nearly HALF A CENTURY really must go, as they are way over budget, as well as completely out of touch with the needs of our community and how Steamboat is growing.

Plus, they lie. Their letter sent during the election was a complete lie, talking about how they would soon have the Post Office property. The Board should hang their head in shame in our community, for their lies and mismanagement.

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stmbtprof 6 years ago

Most lifelongmembers for the past 20 some years hate the changes...they are always done when tourist are away so once again the serenity and tranquility are gone,,,and locals are being screwed..Pat Carney hand picks theboard year after year,,, no raquetball courtsyet...and members are treated with RUDENESS AND COMPLAINTS, SUGGESTIONS ETC..ARE JUST IGNORED BY PAT... iT IS SO SAD THAT THIS IS BEING DONE TO LOCAL RESIDENTNS WHO MADE A COMMITMENT TO BE LIFE MEMBERS AND NOW LOCKERS AAND MEMBERSHIPS ARE JUST SKYROCKETING..i WILL NOT RENEW AND INVEST IN MY OWN POOL...i AM TIRED OF BEING TREATED SO BADLY DURING RENOVATIONS YEAR AFTER YEAR WHICH ALWAYS AFFECT LOCALS TRYING TO RELAX OR SWIM IN PEACE NEVER THE TOURONS...pAT cARNEY IS A DICTATOR..AND DO WE KNOW HER SALARY..NO BUT I BT IT IN AROUND 00K WITH BENEFITS FOR A NON PROFIT..

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otis 6 years ago

I think the new rates absolutely suck. That sort of increase is simply uncalled for.

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twostroketerror 6 years ago

The place was overpriced and over crowded 10 years ago....

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corduroy 6 years ago

I'm content to swim in the Yampa and at Stagecoach.

its FREE!

and as someone living and working locally I spend enough on my mortgage and everything else to afford to enjoy OTHS or any rec center. My parents always taught me to find free things to do, even when I had an allowance. See ya on the river!

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untamedShrewd 6 years ago

OTHS stands for Overpriced Trickery Hustling Swindlers

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ColoradoNative 6 years ago

I'm not going to renew and I had a life time membership. Boy did I get suckered.

It's the river for me as well.

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bartender 6 years ago

Point being:

FIRE PAT AND REPLACE TO ENTIRE BOARD.

Life time members need to demand the bylaws. Find her and the greedy boards salaries and cut them off.

Enough is enough. End her reign now.

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lovemysteamboat 6 years ago

I believe the Board members, like most non-profit board members in this town, volunteer their time. The proof of the policies and direction will be determined over time. I hope they are successful and the next phase of fitness expansion comes together sooner than later. If they are wrong and they don't meet the numbers because so many people leave, at least all of you who are posting negative comments won't be paying taxes forever like you would for a public facility like Silverthorne, Delta, Breck, ect.

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hereandthere 6 years ago

Lovemysteamboat...Well said. OTHS is a great facility, but for those out there that are unhappy (wrong color on the walls, not the music that you like, new slide is dark inside, no racquetball...ad nauseam), it's actually pretty simple, don't patronize them. If you do not like the present administration; get a membership, go to the annual meetings and vote. Membership dues of less then a dollar a day has been great, but is certainly not conducive to not only maintaining what is already there, but to expect OTHS to improve and expand is plain silly and unrealistic. There are a lot of us who appreciate that the Board is committed to improving OTHS without relying on tax dollars. By the way, been to the pools regularly in the last two weeks and they have been packed, so have to disagree with those of you who have denigrated this latest project. People lined up to ride the new slides, hot tub full(no deaths from aphyxiation), and people enjoying the climbing wall. They have done a great job with this project, and yes it was a huge inconvenience for the members, but at least they were open. What a great thing to have something like this in our little town with out the general population, some of who may not want to use it, having to pay for it. Sounds like the American way.

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2468weappreciate 6 years ago

Simple fact is the OTHS board needs to look long and hard at their decisions. They can't even keep a water fountain working and hire contractors that take years to compete a bathroom re-tile (not to be confused with remodel). If it became for profit maybe they would treat their loyal customers better?? i predict even the loyal customers will leave when the well managed gym comes to town.

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shadow 6 years ago

Here & There,

Kinda like I don't like McDonalds, so I don't eat there?

I also don't leave any money there.

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rorschach 6 years ago

boy I wish we could go back to the way it was. The slide was great. The pools were fine. And it was affordable. A change in the wrong direction.

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localfuzz 6 years ago

Bring back the rec center resolution and let the county vote on it.

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skibro 6 years ago

Localfuzz... Talk to your County Commissioners. It's a great idea! Many in the county wanted to vote as well. County commissioners wouldn't meet, wouldn't listen, wouldn't communicate at all. They were very negative towards it. I hope they can better represent their constituents by listening, and working with a new council.

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shadow 6 years ago

Doubtful that a countywide resolution would support it. It got beat by a wide margin in Steamboat. Hayden, South Routt and North Routt aren't going to support a resolution for a facility a half hour or more away from their homes.

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scooter 6 years ago

You can call it :The Routt County Recreation Center:See if that will float on a ballot: NOT!

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424now 6 years ago

To many people in that water craft. Don't think it'll float.

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OnTheBusGus 6 years ago

I went to OTHS today after work. It was 4:08 pm, there was a wall of tourists mobbing the front desk to soak, slide and swim I presume. I could barely make my way to the member sign in sheet. Pool area was completely packed, upstairs had a handful of people working out. No sweaty bartenders, no women at all save for a couple of women I know who are married who were on the machines. There were some older men, a couple of guys who lift every day and that was about it. I took a good look around and came to conclude that I have seen nicer armed forces rec centers. I think that without the hot springs, the place is just a very average gym.

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lovemysteamboat 6 years ago

Gus: I do believe your experience hit it right on the head.....the fitness upgrades are needed as soon as possible, thus the assesment increases. The pool upgrades came first because those tourists that had the place packed pay the basic operations and could pay back remodel/expansions costs way earlier and subsidize all other operations. Maybe when I renew I'll drag my lazy "too busy" __s in more often because $100 per visit doesn't make much sense. Less than $2 per day is a killer bargain.

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Books 6 years ago

Gus did hit the nail right on the head!

"A wall of tourists,,, pool completely packed,,, and a handful of locals working out."

That's the real problem with OTHS, the tourists drive the locals away. The tourists own it.

Tell me love, if it's so great, how come only a handful of locals were using the place? Seems like in a town with a population of 10k + more than a handful of people would want to workout.

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exduffer 6 years ago

Here is a thought. How about if the city puts a recreational water right claim on the OTHS Heart Spring. The city could then pump all that hot water to it's own recreational facility. Then if the costs posted earlier are true, fountain and his best buds could pay and extra $250 a year to heat their pool plus probably another $250 a year to pay for the water from the city plus a one time fee of about $2 million to redo the water mains to serve the pool. This should get the membership down to about 500 and bring the price up to his desired $5k a year.

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skibro 6 years ago

Yes. I've been told the lap pool is heated that way, not through the natural hot springs.

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addlip2U 6 years ago

The Board did it again!!!

The annual board meeting will be held on Monday April 14th @ 7 pm.

The Board had failed (as in the past years) to notify its members in timely fashion of the annual meeting. There has yet to be official posting anywhere @ the Health and Rec of this meeting nor mailing to peoples home to assure we have "saved the date".

Yet it is held, again, at the time when most of the members may be out of town as it is a week after the ski season is over.

I find this a bit suspicious.

Those of you that are concerned about any issues affecting you and this "fine facility" please come to this meeting and voice your opinion.

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stmbtprof 6 years ago

And i have written lettrs over the years to Pat regarding this talked to Board members and to no avail..no response and when I tried to run for board it was always when I was out of town on spring break with no notice and plans had been made...I am not patronizing anymore and it kills me as I love to swim but also love to play raquetball which has been ignored as well....I honestly thinkwewill all be ignored when we quit..they have all the tourons which they prefer...very sad....I miss the old springs even if loverrooms were dark and gloomy and smelled likek moss at least you could swim without tons of noise and construction going on to benefit the tourists and wait is is a non-profit...has anywaone ver seen the numbers or does Pat have it in the caymans somewhere

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ColoradoNative 6 years ago

Interesting addlip2u. Sure seems like they should at least post this info on their website. If you do have the right date I can't seem to find it on the website.

http://www.steamboathotsprings.org/

Someone told me the Hot Spring is also heated with conventional methods. Is this true?

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stmbtprof 6 years ago

They have been playing this trick for years....It is the lack of advance notice, the timing and the way pat Carney and her entourage manipulate the members...

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Sunspot 6 years ago

Where is the Pilot on this one?

Aren't they the "Secret Meeting" police?

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OnTheBusGus 6 years ago

CN, I don't think the website has been updated in some time. They still have last November's fitness class schedule up! I did finally receive a notice in the mail of a price increase. It was dated 3/1/08 but I got if from my mailbox 3/17. Going in soon to clean out my locker.

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useyourvoice 6 years ago

The place is far too crowded, there is not room to expand (really), raise the rates please, it's the only way to thin out membership. I don't understand the sense of entitlement here. If it's important to you, then you'll pay more, if not, then don't.

I heart foodchain.

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longtimelocal 6 years ago

Please add my name to the list of individuals who have maintained a family membership for many years and.....sadly enough to say, it will NOT be renewed this year. Very poor planning on the remodel, hideous waterslides, and a sudden price increase on the individuals who have made the long time committment to the place with their finances. I will get a membership at a fitness place. I think they will find that the hoped revenue gain will be badly set back by all the unrenewed memberships.

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skibro 6 years ago

Was curious and just called the OTHS. Daily Rate (for the tourists) stays the same at $12/day for adults for pools, $18/day for pool and fitness. Looks like the tourists don't get a rate increase like the locals.

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betamikeiski 6 years ago

Been a lifetime member for 21 years and sadly, I'm calling this one my last. The rate hike is too much to be practical while working my FULL TIME JOB. Additionally, the way it is being implemented is simply insulting. No notice, no discussion, just a letter saying here it is. Still gonna keep working out only now I'll be doing it down the road at Peak Fitness. They have a great facility, not overcrowded with snobbish, part time resident brats. Also, not sure if I could keep a straight face in the place with the likes of some clown like "foodchain" in there. He has got to be the geeky little dweeb in there with the knee high socks, 70's style headband and shorts up to the rib cage. Enjoy it you snob. I'll be working out down the street with the "real" locals and swimming at Stagecoach.

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ffv 6 years ago

My kids hate the new slide (so do I) and we know that this new "wally world" was built for the tourists. Now THEY don't get an increase? Plain wrong.

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stmbtprof 6 years ago

use your voice..u are elitist snob..i bet you are from new york or California...and u totally miss the point....thank god u wrent here 25 years ago...maybe you would like my locker prime spot ....I will donate my money to a real non -profit that helps a worthwhile cause...not continue this charade...

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MtnWarlock 6 years ago

useyourvoice, You need to read my earlier blogs! You and foodchain need to hook up! Use-your- voice to cater to your pampas egos! OK! It is egos like the ones you and foodchain exhibit here in these blogs, that are ruining Steamboat Springs prestige! I'm glad Steamboat still has a majority of non-pampas down to earth individuals remaining to living here! We will keep Steamboat what it needs to be! Have a good day!

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colobob 6 years ago

MtnWarlock, welcome to the so-called riff raff. Not to worry though, it's ranks appear to include a much nicer and better class of people - real people! When I think of the two lost souls of which you speak it reminds me of a joke sheet I'm sure most of us have seen. It depicts a guy with his head up his butt. The caption reads: "your problem is obvious!" Their problem is OBVIOUS! Nice to see that so many good folks are still the majority not the minority here in Stmbt.

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glynn 6 years ago

It's not about a rate increase. We all get that prices go up. This is more about the right way to treat a constituancy. Why was I led to believe my lifetime membership would lock me into a certian price paradigm? I'm not saying that I, as a lifetime member should not recieve an assesment. I am asking where is the value for plunking down that lifetime membership money up front? Here's the deal, OTHS at its current rate is a good value no question. The current OTHS would not be competitive at the proposed rates because the facilities are marginal at best. Is there a definite plan for utilizing the funds for improvments? Shouldn't they finish one project before starting another? I just get a sneaky feeling that this money is needed to finish what has already started, and we'll need another price boost to finish the exercise portion.

The other uneasy feeling my gut has is that they know they are at capacity on any given day so they can raise rates, serve fewer customers due to attrition, and make the same if not more money. Smart business, tough on us customers.

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hereandthere 6 years ago

Just logged on to this site after the weekend and was surprised to find that this blog discussion is still ongoing. Leave it to the Steamboat Pilot to stir the pot. As I said before, if you do not like the way OTHS is being run, and are a Life Member, then go to the annual meeting and vote. They will also have the operating budjet availible to review for all those that really want to see where the money goes, as opposed to those who want to make up the story to fit their own agenda.Contrary to all the conspiracy theorists, the meeting has always been held in April with ample notification. Concerning the "locals" who don't like tourists, look around, we are a tourism based economy, and seems to make since that OTHS would offset operating costs thru tourist revenue. Daily admissions did go up in January from $8.50 to $12.00, but lets not let facts get in our way. And for the Rec Center proponents, you might want to look at the rates now being advertised for the city subsidised Golf course, $1,175 for a single adult, spouse "ad on" of $1000. Whoa! Where's the big discussion about these costs.

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oldskoolstmbt 6 years ago

foodchain.....spellcheck is a good thing, especially when you think your perfect and you can't even spell...(county club, guarantee) you should go back to aspen where the majority of people act/think like you

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stmbtprof 6 years ago

I have been a member for over 25 years and have never been given ample notice have asked for more meetings or mettings at a differnt time of year andhave always been disregarded...i think here and now you must work there...just how much is Pat Carneys salary and if it is tourist based than why non-profit and why THEN the life memberships years ago...THIS HAS not ALWAYS BEEN TOURIST BASED..ahem i think what happened to the HEALTH IN HEALTH AND REC...

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