Soda Creek Elementary kindergarten teacher Georgia Reust, right, gives handouts to Lauren Ehrlich, left, and her other students as class is dismissed on Thursday morning.

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Soda Creek Elementary kindergarten teacher Georgia Reust, right, gives handouts to Lauren Ehrlich, left, and her other students as class is dismissed on Thursday morning.

Huge support for all-day kindergarten

Of 412 surveyed, 362 asked for expanded program

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— Parents and community members resoundingly support full-day kindergarten in Steamboat Springs, and most are willing to pay for it.

Results from a recent Steamboat Springs School District survey confirm what has been voiced at crowded Steamboat Springs School Board meetings for months: local parents want a full day of learning for their kindergartners. The survey netted 412 respondents, including 166 parents of children who would be eligible for full-day kindergarten in the 2008-09 school year. Of those parents, 143 said they would be interested in a tuition-based program starting in August. One hundred and fifty said they prefer a full-day program to a half-day program.

"Overwhelmingly, my families are for all-day kindergarten," Audrey Zwak, director of the Heritage Park Preschool, told the School Board on Monday. "There's absolutely no care in town for half a day. : We are losing young, professional families at an alarming rate."

The full-day kindergarten issue is about more than child care. Numerous parents, national and state education officials, Colorado legislators and Gov. Bill Ritter are increasingly citing the importance of full-day kindergarten to a child's academic growth and social development.

Steamboat resident Beth Wilhelm, who described herself as a working mother of a 2-year-old and a 4-year-old, said much of a half-day class is spent in transition, not learning.

"To me, I don't understand what the point is of 2 1/2-hour kindergarten," Wilhelm said. Children "need the stimulation. They want the stimulation. : To not have full-day kindergarten is crazy."

Little state help

Dale Mellor, the school district's finance director, said full-day kindergarten was discussed at a meeting of a Colorado Department of Education financial committee last week.

"Right now, the state is looking at putting $25 million into full-day K," Mellor said, referring to proposed legislation at the Capitol. Ritter included increased funding for full-day kindergarten in an education reform package announced in December 2007.

But Mellor said even if additional dollars are approved, he expects Steamboat to get very little of that money in comparison to school districts in the Denver and Boulder areas.

"I believe most of that funding would go to Front Range schools with higher at-risk populations," he said. "Steamboat doesn't have a huge at-risk population."

Steamboat's interim superintendent, Sandra Smyser, also said there is little academic need for full-day kindergarten in Steamboat.

"By the time our students get to third grade, they're doing great," Smyser said Monday, citing standardized test scores. "I would not see a vast urgency to implement (full-day kindergarten) because our children are struggling. I don't get that sense from our first-grade teachers or third-grade scores."

Monday night, the School Board voted to begin tuition-based, full-day kindergarten for at least some students in August and accommodate all students by the 2009-10 school year, if not sooner. Logistics such as tuition rates, classroom space and how many students to initially enroll have yet to be decided.

Parents interested in enrolling their kindergarteners in the city's after-school program will likely have to wait until 2009.

Susan Petersen, recreation supervisor for the city's Parks, Open Space and Recreational Services Department, said after-school programs are already packed.

"We're at capacity at the Igloo right now," Petersen said of the Howelsen Parkway site. "We're not looking to expand our program until January of 2009, when we move into (the new) Soda Creek Elementary."

Comments

mominboat 6 years, 1 month ago

I don't get it. If the kids are doing fine academically, then how is this not a child care issue? Sorry, but unless it is funded by the state or fully funded by parents seeking full day kindergarten, I don't support this measure. We are still putting the cart before the horse...the buildings are not complete, the elementary school populations exceed capacity, and there has been an open job position for janitorial staff at the elementary schools for almost 2 years! With more kids, the school janitors, nutrition services, etc will have to increase in numbers. Sounds like we need to have built a new school at Whistler or Silver Spur.... This squeaky wheel issue is just another example of the demanding population that says, "Gimme gimme gimme!" without looking at the big picture first. Now do you see why are kids are so self centered?

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letomayo 6 years, 1 month ago

mom, wake up on the wrong side of bed today? Have another cup of coffee an try to calm yourself some how today. Life will progress as it will and this issue is a drip in the ocean of all of things to complane about. Tuffen up girl.

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id04sp 6 years, 1 month ago

Mom,

Hopefully, if they're in all-day kindergarten, the paroled child molesters will have a harder time getting to them.

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jack legrice 6 years, 1 month ago

Will we have to hire a Spanish speaking aid for this?

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aristocat 6 years, 1 month ago

In the early 60's, in San Antonio, Texas, my parents paid for me to go to Kindergarten. My birthday was in November (my mother did not want me starting "later" then the children that were my age) and as a result I was in college at 17. By the late 60's, free all day Kindergarten was in all schools, even the smallest. It was strange to me, when I moved to South Routt County, they had just implemented full day Kindergarten. The teachers were looking forward to it because they felt they did not get to really get into teaching basic skills to the children. They felt like they would have more time to prepare them for the first grade with reading, writing and beginning math skills. I was surprised to learn that when a child goes into first grade, they test them on some really basic skills, such as colors, shapes, ABC's (rote and writing) and beginning reading skills. If children were unable to preform just a few basic learning skills, they were labeled and the label would follow them through their school career. When you attend a 1/2 day kindergarten, you are trying to teach basic learning skills in about 2 or 2 1/2 hours of teaching time. It is a long day for a five year old, but the truth is most children at five are already going all day with out naps. Most children, by the time they are 3 or 4, have already began to attend 1/2 day pre-school (again not state funded or required eventhough it is in other states such as Texas). If you do not want or feel your child is not ready, there is the option that Colorado does not require a child to be enrolled in school until the age of 6 on September 1.

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dave reynolds 6 years, 1 month ago

Georgia was my daughters teacher when she was at soda Creek..thank you Georgia for all your hard work and helping to mold my child into the teen that she is now

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424now 6 years, 1 month ago

Oneski,

Thats is an excellent idea. We should insure that we have at least one teacher on staff that is trained as a liguist or in ESL instruction in order to facilitate the education of any child that attends the school. She could be a rover or an instructor that has a scheduled time to be in each class every week. This will insure that all the students have the opportunity to learn. It will also insure that no child gets left behind.

Thank you for bringing it up Oneski.

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jack legrice 6 years, 1 month ago

I did as a burn. I could care less about our non-English speaking students.They should be run out of town.

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vanguy 6 years, 1 month ago

Ah finally...there's that warm Steamboat hospitality you read about in all the brochures.

Hey monoski....in case you didn't know this already, little children don't get to choose their situation, so don't take your anger, stereotypes, and bigotry out on them.

There is nothing more innocent and fragile than a 6 year old kid. EVERY child deserves a fair opportunity. Pick on someone your own size.

Seriously...you are a complete moron....

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bikegirl 6 years, 1 month ago

It is also sad to see the doors of opportunity shut in someone's face.If my granparents didn't have the chance to come here and learn English,their lives would have been very different.Most of the families here are willing and eager to learn English and raise their children with more opportunities than would have elsewhere.At one time ,my Irish Grandparents were the minority of choice,bigotry is bigotry.

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bikegirl 6 years, 1 month ago

oneski-so ,you would like to run non- english speaking students out of town,send em all back to Norway,Sweden,Macedonia,Burma,Czech Republic?or are you just prejudiced against our hispanic students?

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letomayo 6 years, 1 month ago

vanguy, what you said is pretty good. oneski I'm pretty sure you don't mean that or you would be what America tries to hide under it's smile which is a hatefilled nation of people. You show no empathy or understanding of the human element especially in children. That is hard to understand. Do you know that is being a bigot and are you really? I am learning alot about this town. There is probably quite a few others here in this lily-white town. That is sad to think.

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jack legrice 6 years, 1 month ago

At least the other countries you mentioned don't demand a our school system to provide English lessons. Also most of those countries require there students to take English. I would venture to say that the others are here legally. It is time to wake up to the immigration problem. If that is what you think is a bigot, then I guess I am. There are alot more people in this town and this country that have the same opinion. It is sad to think that you don't see what is happening to this country.

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424now 6 years, 1 month ago

oneski,

I am aware of your limited tolerance.

I chose to take your comment to indicate a compassionate consideration for a child that could very well be a Spanish speaking first generation legal immigrant to the good ol' US of A.

When was the last you spoke to a Mexican, Central or South American immigrant? I ask simply because I don't think you know any. I honestly think you have based your opinion on a lack of credible experience. Without any experience or knowledge of a child you have demanded he be treated as a second class citizen. I am certain you don't intend to dehumanize him.

My own English and Irish family tree can trace its path through Ellis Island. Oh wait, there was an Cherokee Indian in our Kentucky woodshed. I wonder if you think I should be deported? You do of course realize that you yourself are one of the children of an immigrant, don't you? I wonder what requirements were placed on your ancestors as they embarked on their journey to America?

You do of course realize that "what is happening to this country" is precisely what has built this country into the greatest country ever to grace the face of this planet, don't you? Have you seen the sign that graces the base of the statue of liberty?

We wouldn't have the pleasure of your sweet disposition were it not for immigration.

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untamedShrewd 6 years, 1 month ago

OMG Small-Minded-Ski Unless your native american...your family came to the United States as immigrants. And, unlike Hollywood movies, many of these people did not speak English. The U.S.'s cultural pluralism is what makes us unique and attractive to many who visit or immigrate to the U.S. Most of our families have retained cultural differences from our ancestors from celebrating holidays to the foods we eat. And those cultural differences hold fast even until our deaths...the celebration of life at funerals varies between culturals that we can trace back to our immigrant ancestors. Unfortunately, history shows there are a few small-minded people, as yourself. Bigotry existed against the Southern and Eastern Europeans, Japanese, Koreans, Vietnamese, Afro-Americans, etc...It all depends on when in history the bigotry was at its peak against any one of these groups. Also, the Spanish colonization of the Americas (both North and South) began in 1492. The English did not come to America until the 1800s (300 years later than the Spanish). And Santa Fe, New Mexico is the oldest capital city in the USA...The Spaniards settled there in 1607. Maybe you should be brushing up on your Spanish. Adios Small-Minded-Ski

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mom 6 years, 1 month ago

The schools already have ESL teachers that work daily with all ESL students (including kindergarten).

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424now 6 years, 1 month ago

Thread

Sorry about any over or understatement. My kids are past that age.

I know from direct experience that assisting the children who are having difficulty understanding the lessons, due to a language barrier, will serve to improve the performance of the entire class, school and system.

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couples 6 years, 1 month ago

Ditto oneski.. Enough already..Let's put priorities in order. American children ONLY in kindergarten in STEAMBOAT. American children born in STEAMBOAT first. American children that have been living the longest in Steamboat second,etc. No illegals in Steamboat kindergartens.

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dd 6 years, 1 month ago

Years ago immigration was earned.Immigrants had to work hard to stay here and become citizens and they did.I think it's time to seal our borders and allow no more immigrants in.America has become to liberal,especially out here..I have had the horror of dealing with the illegals for several years in Missouri and they are up to no good..They are costing the USA citizens cazillions of dollars.

Kindergarten should be only for USA citizens and couples has put all of this into the correct order.

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arnonep 6 years, 1 month ago

Here is a thought, we require the kids to be potty trained in order to attend kindergarten, so why not require English? Many kids born in October have to wait a year and no one is complaining. Also, I agree with Couples on the order of admittance. If there is one child in our schools that has illegal parents, the administration is not doing their job. 424, what planet do you come from? People are flocking out of California to get their kinds an education due to the almost crippled school system that supports ESL.

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424now 6 years, 1 month ago

arnonep,

A tolerant one.

couples, dd and arnonep,

I agree that we have a far to liberal slant to the goverment nowadays.

However,

Do you folks for one second believe the Country, State, County, City or School District officials are going to do that?

In that there is an extemely large number of first gen non english speaking homes in the western United States, how do you suppose we deal with huge number of completely uneducated children that will place on the steets?

Your threatened by them in the schools lets see how you feel when they have nothing to do exept become criminals preying on the citizens of this great country.

Are you assuming that the homes they come from have the capacity to speak english in the first place?

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dd 6 years, 1 month ago

424now ..Listen up...Yes,I indeed do expect all forms of government to uphold the law..Yes sir,I expect nothing less.

If a child is here with parents that are illegal then the complete family must leave the USA.

The borders should be sealed,the illegals arrested and deported.Can this be done?Absolutely and it can be done in record time.

424now ..Watch and read the news..The illegals are committing most of the crimes and YOU want us to educate their children?You are out of your mind.

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jack legrice 6 years, 1 month ago

dd Right on. Too many bleeding hearts in this town now.

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arnonep 6 years, 1 month ago

424, Again, what planet do you come from? School Districts all over Colorado, not to mention most of the western states, are doing "that". You are part of the problem because you do not believe or choose to ignore the fact that our "Great Country" is being overrun by illegals that refuse to learn the language. Yes, I believe the people that are here legally have the capacity to learn English in a year, especially the kids.
It is funny that you use the term tolerant to justify letting the criminals (all illegal aliens) to take advantage of our system and then try to justify your argument by using the fear of criminals. Do you pay property tax of have health insurance? Most of us that do are getting increasingly agrivated by the soaring costs. Costs that are on a constant exponential rise due to illegal aliens and the uninsured.
Dd, oneski , couples and I are the ones that are going to win this war for you "tolerant" people by standing in the face of our school boards and screaming "not on my watch and not with my money!"

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couples 6 years, 1 month ago

Amen arnonep Amen..

Be legal FIRST..Then learn English ASAP. Be illegal..Be arrested and deported.

These have been the laws of the land for years and I think they are wonderful laws.

424..Do you really want the illegal children to get free health care,free food stamps,free educations and free social security?If so then I suggest you be arrested also and deported to a country of your choosing..See how well received YOU would be in YOUR new country.

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couples 6 years ago

Illegals..Go home and take the legal ones with you.

America..We have enough immigrants here. Stop them from coming in..They are destroying America..They are simply BAD.

America..Enough already.

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Matthew Stoddard 6 years ago

LOL @ couples! I always have to laugh when a stereotype like this posts anonymously on the forum. It's too hard to tell if they're joking or if there is truly still people thinking like this in the modern world! Illegal immigrants is one thing, but couples' statement is just hilarious and sad at the same time!

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a111 5 years, 12 months ago

Wow, funny the school system in district 20 gives a free full day of K to non- speaking English immigrants. The same school system, refused to give a full day of K to a Native American, autistic child who had an IEP , that couldn't hardly talk.

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couples 5 years, 12 months ago

It the laugher from people like you that is destroying America..You just sit back laugh and watch America die..I see no humor in your words.What I posted,I meant..Please travel around the country and see for yourself..Pull your head out of the sand.

Read what a111 just posted..Read it again..Now reread it.. Still laughing now?

Steamboat Springs..First Routt County..Second Colorado..Third America..Fourth Illegals..Never ever

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wissbecklarry 5 years, 12 months ago

How exactly do these hispanic folks avoid paying taxes?

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bubba 5 years, 12 months ago

I'm laughing very hard at what A111 said- what the hell is a non-speaking English immigrant?

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80488mom 5 years, 11 months ago

Read the fine print in the call for applications for the Montessori program printed in Tuesday's paper. Siblings of current and former Montessori students are given preference in the lottery. Transpiring is a group of families creating a monopoly on the program guaranteeing access for their children and denying equal access and opportunity for other children in the district. A small private school within the confines of a public school system is being created.

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Carrie Requist 5 years, 11 months ago

80488mom - first of all, the Montessori topic has nothing to do with all day Kindergarten, so not sure why you decided to post it here, but please do a bit of research before you go around accusing people of conspiracy theories. It is NOT the families in the program that set the lottery rules, it is the administration and has always been. First Dr. D, then Principal MacHale and now Principal Barr and always with approval from the superintendent.

The program is more popular than the amount of space available. The best solution for that is to expand the program and let in all the families who desire it. If there is anything that a "group of parents is transpiring to do" it is to expand the program and let everyone in and even to expand it past 5th grade. But I would be the one to know if there is an active group of parents transpiring to do anything and I can tell you unequivocally that there is no organized parent group for the Montessori Elementary program - honestly we are all still too burned out from the amount of work it took to get the program started in the first place and the district is doing a fine job running it.

It kills me personally that any families are denied entrance into the program and I do what I can, individually, to try to get the program expanded to include everyone.

There are other rules not stated in that call for applications including that the administration has absolute final say over who is admitted regardless of the lottery order, siblings status, previous Montessori experience, etc. This is to allow the administration to balance the classroom in a number of ways - gender, grades (multiage class), abilities (gifted-special needs) and all the other ways that all other classrooms are balanced.

Just about all choice programs I have heard of have sibling preference becuase administrators know that families who are happy with and committed to the program have children who are more successful in the program no matter what type of program it is.

Rather than bashing, what do you propose is the best way to determine admission to the oversubscribed Montessori program?

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80488mom 5 years, 11 months ago

Equal access....equal opportunity.....no sibling or preference policy....other than those strictly required by law....i.e. minority integration.

Just because one child was fortunate to win a lottery doesn't mean that all their brothers and sisters should have preference.

You and I have agreed on many things in the past but this is not one of them. I fought for equal access years and years ago and it sickens me to see this policy in this school system.

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80488mom 5 years, 11 months ago

Carrie - this is not bashing......this is bringing to light a policy that many people are not aware exists. I find it a curiosity that one person you speak of has told me they were not even aware of the policy.

I chose to post here to bring attention to this policy. Please don't tell me what to post or where to post my opinions which, you quite obviously object.

We may or may not need more Montessori. I can assure you what we do need more of are parents who are vested in their children's futures.

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Carrie Requist 5 years, 11 months ago

I see your point but it doesn't change my belief that you should have looked into it before accusing the parents of transpiring to make a monopoly. The parents had no say in this decision.

The ideal system for me is one with no lottery becuase it accommodates every family who wants it.

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80488mom 5 years, 11 months ago

Carrie - please enlighten me.....who wrote the policy? Can you tell me with adamant certainty no parents suggested the policy be instituted? If so I apologize for suggesting parents were involved.

Looking back I see definite benefits in the Montessori program but in particular for those children who do not have parental involvement in their education. These are the ones I'm concerned about. Those who have untapped potential and probably aren't even applying for the program. I also imagine there are many minority students who would definitely see benefit and I'm speaking of those ESL students. My son would have done well with or without Montessori. The International Bac was superior and I credit that program with making the biggest difference in his life.

I have talked to a board member. That board member was not even aware of the policy. I have talked with other staff. I would like to know how it slipped in and who penned it to begin with.

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Carrie Requist 5 years, 11 months ago

The parents were not given any input to the initial policies of the program. The superintendent at the time (Donna Howell) worked directly with the principals (Dr. D and Judy Harris) to decide all the policies for the program including admissions. The first year, the program was not oversubscribed, so no admissions policy was ever stated.

This year, when Principal Barr arrived at SPE , the biggest group of angry parents to confront her were those whose children didn't get into the Montessori program. There were 25 children who didn't get in this year, enough to fill a second classroom. One of the first things Principal Barr said to me when she met me and learned of my involvement in the creation of the program is -- there is a problem with admissions to that program and I agreed that the problem was that the program needed to be expanded.

Due to the construction and the implementation of full day Kindy, the district is unable to take on expansion of the program this year.

Principal Barr told me that she, along with Principal Harris (as this is a district program, not just an SPE program) and the superintendent would be revising the admissions policy. I can tell you adamantly that there is no group of parents who lobbied for a siblings policy. I believe the history is that there was always a sibling preference it is just now being advertised for the first time.

f you want to know who wrote it - ask the principals of the superintendent.

As for the benefits of Montessori, I know we have agreed on the philosophy in the past, but I have to disagree with you now that those children with the least parental involvement would benefit the most. The Montessori philosophy of love of learning, child-led activities and self-discipline reach far beyond the classroom. If the home life is not consistent with the classroom life, the child cannot flourish as well. There have been ESL children in the Montessori program and I think that is great for everyone (including the other students).

Choice programs all require parental involvement to choose them.

As for the board member not being aware of the specifics of the admissions policy for the Montessori program - that is exactly how it is supposed to work in Policy Governance, which is how this district is supposed to be run. The board does not create the policies for the day to day running of the schools - that is what the administration is for (and what they, hopefully, were trained for). The board sets policies (like have a Montessori program or a full day kindergarten program) and the administration does the implementation.

For me, love of learning and a desire to continue to learn and grow are the most important things. To date, Montessori has done an excellent job of support these in my children, who still love to go to school and are bummed when they miss a day.

I have heard excellent things about International Bac and would love to see that program here in Steamboat.

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80488mom 5 years, 11 months ago

Thank you Carrie.....I can tell you my heart sunk when I read the admissions policy in the paper. 17 years ago my son drew the #1 white male slot for the Montessori school in Denver Public Schools. He was denied access because every slot was taken by a sibling. I fought ...long and hard....for equal access and equal opportunity and in the end was victorious.

I would also like to see an International Bac in Steamboat. Both my sons were in that program at different times. Actually, if I had to make a recommendation I would ask the school district to look at the high school in Rio Rancho, NM....an absolutely amazing school. They have a science academy, an arts academy, a humanities academy....it's definitely a model to look at. Dress code....no sagging pants, crooked hats...belly buttons exposed......focused on learning and developing personal passions.

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Carrie Requist 5 years, 11 months ago

Thanks for the explanation of why that policy hits you so personally. I can see both sides of it but hear from school administrators that it is usually good policy to keep families together (at the same school for example or in the same program) if possible for a variety of reasons.

And the big lesson from your story is that if you want it enough and you stay persistent, you almost always get it.

I really think that there is no fair and equitable way to dole out a public choice program other than to ensure that everyone who wants in gets in.

For Middle and High School there is also an exemplary model in Wheat Ridge/Golden at Compass Montessori preK-12th charter http://jeffcoweb.jeffco.k12.co.us/charter/compass/

Just a disadvantage of raising kids in a small town is that there is less choice just becuase of the law of small numbers. But I still think the positives of raising them here (and living here ourselves) outweigh the negatives and then we do the best to fill in where we can (like going out of the area for summer school).

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boatbabe 5 years, 11 months ago

Wow. I have never felt so proud and disappointed in the citizens of our community.

For those of you who are defending those less fortunate than you, kudos. I hope you have the courage to do this in public, and amongst your friends, face-to-face when you hear and see discrimination of any kind.

As for dd, couples, oneski, arnonep:

I would say that you should be ashamed of yourselves and your mothers should be embarrassed by you, but thanks to our founding fathers you are able to say whatever you think and believe.

While I might agree that we have an immigration problem, I would challenge you to look at the facts of what many of the illegal immigrants who do not speak English in Steamboat and this country are doing.

They are not taking the high paying, glamorous jobs you covet. They are not living in the 10000 square-foot homes in Dakota Ridge. They are living 4 or 6 people to a two bedroom crappy apartment. Many send as much money as they can home to their families each month.

They are cleaning toilets, washing dishes, picking crops, cleaning construction sites, maybe bagging groceries or cutting meat at the super market. They do many jobs that Americans think they are too good for or would not do for wages being paid.

And, the reality is, you are going to be paying more somewhere because of illegal immigrants. You can help educate their children or you can pay $2.00 for an orange.

With more Americans out of work and more jobs being lost to oversees workers, you still don't see people clamoring to be the janitor at the elementary school.

You may not like how they got here, you may not like that they don't speak your language, but everyone here has a role to play. Even you dd, couples, oneski and arnonep--for without hate, how would we know love and compassion.

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80488mom 5 years, 11 months ago

Dear Carrie - on another note there would be no need for a gifted program if Montessori was the primary model in our schools. As you know Montessori children learn at their own pace and those advanced can and do carry on with more difficult projects.

My children have been in many programs over the years and each was selected with their best interests at heart. They have been in Montessori, the highly gifted program (not to be confused with the gifted program. Many children are identified as gifted when the reality is they are advanced in good part because of parental involvement. It takes more than a singular test to determine giftedness. Special programming, as mentioned, isn't even necessary in the Montessori model), International Bac, military school (by his choice), and a science academy.

If the demand for Montessori exists then I agree the district should look at additional classrooms. I know the materials are expensive however if they are filling an additional Montessori classroom then it would appear the traditional classroom that would have accommodated them could be dropped.

At this point I'm out of the loop. I only have one child left with one year of college to finish.

I also know there is a shortage of child care. Unfortunately both parents often need to work just to survive in this town. If I didn't have to work myself to cover medical insurance I would start a child care center in a heart beat. There is no greater joy than contributing to the development of a child.

I commend you for your devotion to your children. It does my heart good that there are parents, like yourself, who strive for excellence and don't leave their children's future or education to chance. I also recognize your hard work in making Montessori a reality in our district not only for your children but others. Our children are our future. Thank you for your work on behalf of the children in this community.

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Carrie Requist 5 years, 11 months ago

Thank you. I appreciate your compliment.

The good news is that there are a lot of wonderful, dedicated parents in our community who really want to raise great kids. We may all have a slightly different idea of what that is, but that's ok.

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80488mom 5 years, 11 months ago

Well at least we agree that education should be a priority. I'm wondering how we are going to be able to attract and keep quality teachers as the cost of living in our county continues to rise at unprecedented rates. I don't know how a teacher can afford to live here and raise a family.

The tragedy is good teachers are worth their weight in gold yet our country pays entertainers and athletes exorbitant salaries while their contribution pales in comparison. Something is fundamentally wrong with the system and there's no hope for change on the horizon.

I learned of a family leaving recently because the cost of living here has gotten out of control. They are both employed in the health care industry. A huge loss for this community. I can foresee "ordinary" people leaving the valley in droves and others thinking twice about moving here.

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SilverSpoon 5 years, 11 months ago

One argument supporting illegals is that they do jobs that no one wants to do. Really, they do jobs that the admin elimated budgets for. Be-it, forming concrete, framing buildings, cleaning toilets, washing cars. A fair wage would attract the good old' american worker. My answer is that no one will do anything for $8.00/hr.

If you can get an illegal to do the work, lets look at the benifits.
They will work hard, you will not need to pay employee taxes because it is under the table, you do not need to provide benefits, all positives for the employer.

The negatives: The illegal does not pay taxes to support our schools, our medicare, medicaid, unemployment, or social security The illegals flood our hospitals, and don't pay a dime.

The illegal free-ride should end as soon as possible. I gladly pay $10 for an orange if i knew that the fruit picker had benefits, could afford to raise a family, and have insurance for their kids. Cheap oranges get much more expensive when an illegal mother has a 2 year old, a 1 year old, a 1 month old, and a bun in the oven. Thank you hospital for the free birthing, thank you schools for the free teaching, and thank the ESL aide who works for $11.00/hr. We would pay you more but then we'd have to raise taxes on the tax paying Legals.

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couples 5 years, 11 months ago

boatbabe.Illegals have broken the LAW..They are criminals. You are saying that if they help you,your family or your friends then let them stay.

What I started out saying was.Americans should be allowed into our kindergardens before illegals.

Americans first..Illegals are criminals,should be arrested and deported.It's the law and it's a good law..I have seen enough Hispanics already in my lifetime.

It's simple..Illegals have NO rights..None

My mother,and your mother,would be proud of the Americans that want our laws upheld..I really think you should take your money,move to Mexico,help the Mexicans and stick your chest out as the great crusader you are.

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