Betty Leipold: Too much growth

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— I am concerned about what the future plans are for Yampa Street.

Rumor is that there will be three-story buildings dominating the street. These buildings will be close together and will block the view of Howelsen Hill. There will be ever more commercial properties and condos.

Friends, neighbors, anyone who cares - if you don't want any more desecration of our unique downtown, speak up and let our elected officials know that "enough is enough" when it comes to "developing" downtown Steamboat Springs.

Betty Leipold

Steamboat Springs

Comments

scooter 6 years, 9 months ago

another_local is right... nothing is going to stop Cook. We're just lucky they are three story buildings, and not ten story buildings. That will happen in 2030!

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localboy17 6 years, 9 months ago

I agree with you betty. Once they have conquered yampa then they will move to oak and then to pine and I live on pine. I am sick of all of the building. Steamboat is different from vail and other resort towns in that we have our historic background including downtown. I dont want a new face to our great old downtown. The best thing about steamboat is our tradition and our history. The winter carnival wouldnt look the same submerged in 3 story buildings.

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elk2 6 years, 9 months ago

How about addressing the parking fiasco. Downtown and on the mountain. There is no way to accomidate all of this growth. You can't even find a parking space at City Market or Safeway many times. Come on City Council dazzle us with your magical powers.

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bloggyblog 6 years, 9 months ago

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Matthew Stoddard 6 years, 9 months ago

I thought when a private contractor wanted to put in a Performing Arts Theater on Yampa next to The Steamboat Yacht Club, that one of the conditions he had to meet was not being taller than the Courthouse. The new buildings on Lincoln look a bit taller. I guess the deeper the pocket, the higher the waiver.

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kyborn 6 years, 9 months ago

I lived in Steamboat for more than 30 years, and after visiting last year, I feel that most of the history of town has been destroyed. What has happened? Greed!!!!!! And you are right, MONEY talks.....

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diplodocus 6 years, 9 months ago

Someone needs to come up with a strategy to stop some of this. I've fought bad projects and illegal projects for decades, and I've won for a while, but when the right name or the right money shows up or someone ingratiates himself to the right official, projects get OKed. Even if they're nightly rentals that sleep 22 people in a residential area or condos with a driveway that accesses on a blind curve and hill.

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424now 6 years, 9 months ago

And the wheels turns.

We are growing. Would you rather that growth be vertical or horizontal? The next time you look south, think about the previous question.

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AmebaTost 6 years, 9 months ago

Maybe we have too many people living here for 30 years just visiting!!!

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id04sp 6 years, 9 months ago

When does "run down, obsolete and eyesore" turn into "historic?"

What's historic about a drafty clapboard house with peeling paint built on a crumbling stone foundation?

The only thing this "historic" little town really needs is some termites, mold and humidity to take the decisions out of the hands of people who don't own the property. Anywhere else, most of this town would be a slum of run-down rental homes and empty store fronts 10 or 15 miles from where the affluent people live now.

I often think about that Columbia bicycle in the window at Lyons Drugs. I never had one like that, but I sure wanted one. I had a Huffy that looked a lot like it. Does that make anything about it historic? Something I can never use and have no control over really doesn't fit into things I should have a say about, does it?

The whole "historic" schtick really breaks down when tourists arrive in town and see the famous Steamboat Barn across the street from the infamous "dumpster" behind the stores in Central Park Plaza. It's a little bit like finally popping the clasp on a bra and finding hair around the pink parts. Ick.

Most of our so-called "historic" landmarks are simply structures put up at minimum cost by some previous resident to serve a purpose. It ain't like George Washington slept here, or the Underground Railroad had a stop along the Yampa.

Steamboat is no more historic than Craig or Walden. It's the marketing that makes the difference.

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424now 6 years, 9 months ago

id,

Wow, LOL and hush my mouth. The clasp on that one should forever stay closed!

I agree with everything in that post.

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id04sp 6 years, 9 months ago

Dip,

Is that pronounced "di-plod-o-cus" or "dip-lo-do-cus?" I'm straining my duodenum trying to figure it out.

Historic character; Davy Crocket.

Europeans laugh at our "historic" sites. There are people in Europe living in houses older than the settlements in Plymouth and Jamestown. The wiring sucks, however.

I gots a little bit o'new for you all. If our "historic downtown" had been located on the spot where the Gondola building is now, downtown would have been razed to make room for Ski Corp. It's just a little redneck town with nothing special to see aside from one or two buildings which feature pre-WW-II architecture.

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justice4all 6 years, 9 months ago

My condolances go out to everyone that loved Steamboat Springs the way it WAS. I have seen this town go from a place that I truly loved 26 years ago to a place that is MUCH less attractive to me. Quite obviously that is the same opinion shared by the majority of the locals. To those that want a Vail or Aspen, go there and live. Feel free to come and visit us but leave your plans to change our town at home. You must have liked it the way it was or you would not have come here in the first place. If you liked it then, why are you wanting to force change upon us now? I guess that we now know how our Native Americans felt when they were forced to change their villages.

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another_local 6 years, 9 months ago

Forced change? Allowed change?

Change will happen. We can work on managing it but don't kid yourself that it is forced or allowed. That implies direction and intent that simply do not exist.

The properties in question have been zoned commercial for decades. Now the owners want to make changes or sell to new owners with other plans. Are some of the same people that recently resisted historic "protection" that dictates what they can and can not do with their old-town homes now advocating that the practices they do not want applied to their home be applied to the owners of commercial property?

I often do not agree with some of the regular posters here, but I certainly agree with Id that "old" and "historic" are not synonymous. I welcome the changes downtown. I think the new buildings look good and will improve our local enconomy.

For locals to continue living here we need successful local businesses that can afford to pay them. Attractive commercial districts that enable successful businesses are a key part of that.

"Block the view of Howelsen Hill" Please. From where?

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wishiwerethere 6 years, 9 months ago

arent city council meetings open to the public? wouldn't these opinions be better voiced where they can do some good? at least you'd know your voice had been heard.

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424now 6 years, 9 months ago

Come on Matt, you know that we can go to the meetings. We just have to wait unit the wee hours when they are done telling us how good a job their doing before we can present our ideas and questions.

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captnse 6 years, 9 months ago

with all the new commercial and no new parking the new buisness will hopefully fail. Remember the recession of 1982?

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424now 6 years, 9 months ago

cap,

It may for a very short while then it will return. As it did in the late 80's then it will fail for awhile then return,

Whoa! I just realized, it's a cycle! I wonder if the developers know that?

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another_local 6 years, 9 months ago

"hopefully fail"? What kind of sour, self-centered nonsense is that? You are wishing failure on your neighbors that step up and take a risk starting a business that employs other neighbors and generates the funds that plow the street in front of your house, educates your children and protects your house from fire.

When is the last time you had to park a whole block from where you were going? Despite the perceptions of people that want to park right in front of the business they are going to, we don't have a parking problem 95% of the time.

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Scott Berry 6 years, 9 months ago

Who says we want all these services that we are forced to pay for with increased taxes? You city people/urbanites moved here because you liked our small town community and then you immediately set out to change it and make it like the cities you left! There was a time when our roads were unpaved, the streets were plowed just enough, our library was adequate, police authority sent our kids home not to jail, one officer responded to an accident not police, fire, and ambulance. The community was hardworking and friendly. I miss what was and I'm sorry for what it has now become...

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Scott Berry 6 years, 9 months ago

Growth is a cancer. Unfortunately you can't stop it. Money talks.

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Scott Berry 6 years, 9 months ago

Who says we want all these services that we are forced to pay for with increased taxes? You city people/urbanites moved here because you liked our small town community and then immediately set out to change it like the cities you left. There was a day when the roads were unpaved, the streets plowed just enough, the library adequate, a police officer sent our kids home not to jail, one officer responded not fire and ambulance and not over run with government. Mediocrity was plentiful. I miss the way it was and I'm sad and sorry for what it has become.

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twostroketerror 6 years, 9 months ago

As long as the $$ flows like the Yampa in spring, SS is seen as a place away from 'The City', and people keep breeding like prairie dogs, it will get worse, not better. another_locals resp was best.

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JLM 6 years, 9 months ago

Why can't we all just get along?

Growth is what happens after the FIRST SOB builds his house and decides he likes it just like that. That SECOND SOB is ruining everything!

The SBS that everybody wants to remember almost never existed. The only constant is change.

It's gonna be OK. SBS will grow and it won't ever be like Vail and it will be a bit busier and more folks will enjoy and appreciate it but it's gonna be OK.

Hey, how about all that damn snow?

I'm going for a milkshare at Lyons. Anybody want to join me?

It's all gonna be OK!

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bikerdude 6 years, 9 months ago

There are certainly better examples of "historic downtowns" than Steamboat's Lincoln Ave. But many pats on the back to those in the public eye that are taking on this challenge daily. Two major blemishes that can't easily be fixed are the 2 major bank buildings (you know the one's) that fit in like trash dumpsters on the courthouse lawn. These are shining examples that thoughtless planning is quite recent to our town. Thankfully, the new construction on Lincoln appears to be more historically "accurate." And what's with that Chinese restaurant???

Lincoln, Yampa, Oak and Pine development must be carefully considered by the citizens of Steamboat in an effort to preserve and highten a sense of community and attractiveness, not to increase tourism but to make our town more livable for those who choose to live in one of the greatest towns on earth. And the council should consider some incentives to those 2 banks and other establishments like them, such that they may consider facelifts to make them pleasing to the eye instead of eyesores.

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424now 6 years, 9 months ago

Thats what I'm talking about! Lets keep the feel of ol' historic Steamboat around downtown by insisting the buildings have a certain rustic western flare to them. Let's all talk this over during a CC meeting loud enough for CC to hear. We could come up with a community consensus on what Downtown should look like!

I'm not kidding, seriously we need to have a majority decision as to the kind of buildings that go up in the downtown district. CC should be doing this kind of work now anyways, right?

But lets do this,

Lets have a historic downtown district that is the center of our town. Not something that gets pushed to the side and replaced by new development. We are tourist driven, right? So why not keep the old town look of the buildings by having them look early 19th century. I said look 19th century not actually be 19th century. The developers are going to come. People are going to come. We can't stop them. We as a communitie can direct them if we are loud enough.

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id04sp 6 years, 9 months ago

The "modern" development on Lincoln Ave occurred before the whole ski-town marketing thing caught on. Do you think anybody objected to the old "Space Station" when it was put up? People were hoping for modernization and prosperity in the 50s and 60s, and the ONLY REASON the older buildings were not torn down and redeveloped before Mt. Werner was that there was NO MARKET for commercial property in a little redneck cow town. Take a spin over to Craig and look at their main street. That's what it looks like up here WITHOUT a ski hill to bring in dollars.

A lot of people up here are always looking around when the glasses get empty to see who's going to buy the next round of drinks. (These are the socialists). A lot of the people are like the guy who gets up a group to go out to eat, orders drinks, appetizers, the most expensive entree, a fancy dessert, and then wants to "split it even" among everybody at the table when the check comes (these are the "affordable housing" wishfuls who want a discount on some of the the most expensive real estate in the lower 48).

Outsiders moving in to purchase expensive real estate developed by outsiders provide the money to guide this town to where it's headed. The tourist dollars only pay the utilities and buy hamburger helper. It's development that makes the downpayment on the house and pays the morgage. Nobody builds wealth selling t-shirts and tacos to tourists, and paying rent. Wealth comes from investing in development (even if you're only the guy buying the finished product).

The only historic thing that ever happened in this town after they named it for the sound made by the hot springs (which were later disrupted by road building, and brought an end to the "chugging" of the "steamboat") was the construction of the Mt. Werner ski area. Well, okay, Howelsen Hill really is historic, but nobody wants to tear that down and put up condos -- yet.

Lincoln Avenue just doesn't look like a strip mall on Long Island or a deteriorating inner-city commercial district that people who moved here are used to seeing back home. Our "old stores" are still doing business instead of being occupied by nail salons, oriental restaurants and corner markets like every other business district left behind by "white flight" to crime and poverty in other parts of the country. Go look at East Denver if you want to see what everybody is comparing Lincoln Avenue to, and East Denver is not all that bad!

Even the Los Angeles area is filled with rows of slums that would make Lincoln Avenue look like Buckingham Palace by comparison.

The answer to this dilemma is very simple. Let every development idea be posted for public comment and approval. The developers will only be bound to comply with public opinion IF the public voluntarily raises enough money through private donations and fund-raising activities to PAY THE DIFFERENCE.

Money, mouth, etc. Hey, we could sell t-shirts!

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424now 6 years, 9 months ago

Yep, oops that my inner hillbilly, I mean I agree with that assertion id.

T-shirts eh....

Ski Town USA with a picture of the barn on it. or,

The Boat! A skiing cow-town full of B&% Sh!# no, no, that won't get Johnny tourist to spend money hmmm,

Any suggestions?

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tallant 6 years, 9 months ago

I was a local during the hey day of 1979 through 1981. The town had no traffic lights when I moved in and then 1 traffic light. Change happens but the locals who live year round in Steamboat and pay taxes have the right and the privilege to vote on the future of the town. Cooktown or no Cooktown. The new laws of the land are the Golden Rule: He who has the gold makes the rules and also Buy Laws; he who has the gold can buy the laws. Betty, you are correct in bringing this to the fore front of the discussion boards. If I still lived in SS I would be heavily involved in the community discussions and voting on the new developments. The town is Steamboat Springs not Cooktown.

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424now 6 years, 9 months ago

And this brings us back to attending the City Council Meetings.

1st, pick a topic or point of contention.

2nd, debate with neighbors, friends and family, take notes.

3rd, find a healthy group of like minded people,

4th, gather together and go to City Hall for a meeting.

5th, and 6th wait for an opportunity to speak, take notes.

7th, Speak up! loud and clear. Speak you piece, take notes.

8th after the meeting look for like minded people to discuss your issue with.

9th, repeat as needed.

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id04sp 6 years, 9 months ago

10th, clap your hands until Tinkerbell glows brightly again!

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424now 6 years, 9 months ago

I believe, I do, I do!

Better to believe and die trying than to wallow in dispair and waste away.

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