James Belk puts the bat on the ball during the opening day of the Triple Crown World Series in Steamboat Springs on Monday afternoon. Belk was playing for the Colorado Crush baseball team out of Fort Collins.

Photo by John F. Russell

James Belk puts the bat on the ball during the opening day of the Triple Crown World Series in Steamboat Springs on Monday afternoon. Belk was playing for the Colorado Crush baseball team out of Fort Collins.

Triple Crown could stay

City officials are working on contract details

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City officials could buy some time to negotiate a long-term contract with Triple Crown Sports.

Last week, the Steamboat Springs City Council passed the first reading of an ordinance that would extend the current contract between the city and Triple Crown until 2010. The second reading and public hearing is scheduled for Aug. 5.

"It's status quo for now," said Chris Wilson, director of the Steamboat Springs Parks, Open Space and Recreational Services Department, "but it could turn into a 10-year contract."

If the ordinance passes, the two-year extension will allow more time for city officials to identify long-term needs and solutions for the city and Triple Crown. According to the contract, there would be no changes to how the tournament operates during summer 2009, and Deputy City Manager Wendy DuBord said Emerald Park fields still will be off limits to Triple Crown.

Triple Crown officials told the Steamboat Pilot & Today in May that they were not interested in a short-term contract without also working toward a 10-year contract.

"Our intent hasn't changed," Triple Crown spokesman Matt Van Alsburg said Monday.

"The city needed to get the ball rolling toward a long-term contract, and if goals are met, it could roll into a longer contract," he said.

To continue the tournaments in Steamboat, Triple Crown needs better fields and more of them, Van Alsburg said. As part of the second amendment to the contract, Triple Crown requested a clause that states: "if the City does not give written confirmation to Triple Crown by October 1, 2009, that four additional playing fields will either be constructed or made available for use by Triple Crown in the 2010 season, Triple Crown may terminate this agreement for the 2010 season."

"Right now there is no room for growth in Steamboat," Van Alsburg said. "If there aren't four more fields brought online, it's cause to walk away from a 10-year contract. It doesn't mean we will," but Triple Crown will have to re-evaluate its needs at that time based on the number of teams signed up for the Fort Collins-based organization's summer youth softball and baseball tournaments.

This year, Triple Crown World Series numbers are down. Van Alsburg said there are 300 teams this summer compared to 348 teams that competed last summer. The decrease is because of a number of factors, Van Alsburg said, but he expects participation to be back up next year. If that's not the case, "there might not be a need for four more fields in 2010."

Wilson said the city recognizes the need for more playing fields - not just for Triple Crown but also for other sports such as lacrosse and soccer. The city suggested a few options to provide four additional playing fields for 2010. Among them is the construction of a multi-purpose, four-field complex at an estimated cost of $3.5 million near Steamboat Springs Airport. Another suggestion includes lighting, irrigation and drainage improvements to the fields at Howelsen Hill.

As the city begins preliminary estimates for the 2009 budget, Wilson said City Council will need to look at other needs around the community and prioritize them before they decide on a plan of action to address Triple Crown's requests.

Currently, Triple Crown is advertising a nationwide request for proposals for the 10-year contract, and King said although interest has been shown from other cities, "we aren't at a serious level in discussions with anybody." Van Alsburg said Summit County and Reno, Nev., have indicated interest.

"We are trying to figure out the value of these tournaments and what we bring to the community," Van Alsburg said.

King and Van Alsburg said Triple Crown would like to stay in Steamboat.

"There is no denying that the destination attracts many of the players," but they have to consider what is best for the company, Van Alsburg said.

Comments

Malcolm_Reynolds 6 years, 4 months ago

Taxpayer Dollars that is used very loosely, like Steamboat Springs residents are the only ones who pay them! I say let the taxpayers pay for the fields! The majority of the city's budget is from SALES TAXES and the majority of those dollars are from visitors that spend in the valley. Steamboat Springs and Hayden enjoy healthy budgets because of the tourist industry. If they go away WE pay more for fewer services, with fewer citizens and less jobs.

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addlip2U 6 years, 5 months ago

If the City Council thinks they have the money to spend on Triple Crown (which is for profit business) first they better spend the money on US, the residence of this community.

We defeated the Recreation Center because we did not have the financial resources.

What makes the City Council think that we want to have them spend our $$ on a private business that invades us for 10 weeks, expect us - the taxpayers - to fork out for the real estate, infrastructure, construction of the fields, maintenance, paying for the utilities and policing it?

It is time to put this issue to the voters of this community!

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JustAsking 6 years, 5 months ago

Where would TT go? In this economic climate I doublt any city would be willing to pony up the money to build or enhance fields for this purpose.

This "if you don't build it we will move" is a tactic used by major league teams in the past but with cities facing economic challenges it will be less productive.

TT has seen a decided downturn in their participation. I suspect this trend will not reverse any time soon. Does anyone really think that they are in the driver's seat on this one?

Is there any real reason to let them steal home?

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Malcolm_Reynolds 6 years, 5 months ago

To the Triple Crown Teams that read this blog, DON'T believe the mindless drivel that is written against Triple Crown Sports tournaments. For a community that welcomes families during ski season, these bloggers turn against families in the summer that may come back to our valley in the winter. What a bunch of hypocrites! Also it is your sales tax dollars that help to keep Steamboat Springs' home owners from paying city property taxes and also a percentage of the sales tax supports the school district.

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elk2 6 years, 5 months ago

Until the Elk River Road is turned into a 4 laner, there's no way it could accommodate all that extra traffic.

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JustAsking 6 years, 5 months ago

Actually, Malcolm, my argument is against being mindless.

It's a good bet that a number of recreational businesses that rely on travel or using gas (boating) will or are suffering a downturn. Those that have productive partnerships will fare better than those who don't.

Yes, TT is important to Steamboat at this time but Steamboat is also important to the economic survival of the business of TT.

No party here should be entering a negotiation with threats at this time. The best deal is the one that is good for both parties. TT is not in any position to play hardball any more than Steamboat is. Do you disagree?

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scooter 6 years, 5 months ago

If Triple Crown stays... the Steamboat Springs City Council will not. Let the people of Steamboat vote!!!

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ColoradoNative 6 years, 5 months ago

1) When did the conversation start about "better" ball fields. I always read it was about "more" fields. 2) Why are they demanding that the deadline be Oct 2009 when their business model is failing them right now and the tournament is shrinking? 3) The arrogance of this Alsburg guy is unbelievable.
4) If Alsburg is in charge of finding TC a new location the entire TC tournament is in trouble. Does this guy realize that Reno is averaging about 95 degrees everyday now. http://www.weather.com/weather/tenday/USNV0076?from=search_10day

95 degree weather, drugs, prostitution, pollution, crime! Sounds like a good move if you can't get four more fields!

For the record I'm not opposed to TC staying but I'm really not sure why we should deal with the threats of a private business like this.

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Harvey Lyon 6 years, 5 months ago

Have any of you looked at Adams or Semillion fields lately? The outfields resemble the paddock at Romick's arena. They are, without doubt, among the worst turf fields in the State. Regardless if they are used for TCS or not, they are dangerous just to play softball on.

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OnTheBusGus 6 years, 4 months ago

Did anyone see the traffic jam yesterday? Traffic at 5:30 pm was backed up from 5th street to past Pine Grove Road. Not just area commuters but also TC'ers trying to get to the fields. Crazy!

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another_local 6 years, 4 months ago

addlip, 1st. Building fields IS spending money on us. It is our kids that will use them most of the year. (Why they would cost a million apiece to build is another question though. Seems way high to me) 2nd. Govt spends money on things that benefit private enterprise (which in turn funds govt through taxes on economic activity) ALL the time. Public roads are a good example. Roads are built at great public expense to connect private enterprise to the economy. In this case, local businesses make a lot more sales than Triple crown as a result of them being here and therefor employ hundreds of people. The sales tax generated is many times greater than the expense.

Justasking,
The other communities already have the fields. Our facilities ARE substandard. When we travel around the state for kids sports we find that most places have both more and better athletic facilities.

However, I think you are right about the negotiations.

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boat 6 years, 4 months ago

Triple Crown with their lower numbersthis summer have shown that they are not a perpetual growth machine. This is great to see and it should give us all an opportunity to reaccess any new long term deal with them. Triple Crown will probably say that $4.00 gas has caused this year's lower numbers. What wil happen with $5.00 or $6.00 ga. Not as many families will be able to sign up johnny for Triple Crown. Also triple Crown may have reached the peak of their demographic boom. In other words, statistically we have seen the peak in their available market. As a comminity , we would be very mistaken to make a 10 year contract with a business that could suddenly have peaked and be on the way down in their business model. These re very uncertain economic times and we as a community need to address many more important local issues than signing long term deals with Triple Crown. GO SLOW and sign no LONG TERM deals!!

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ColoradoNative 6 years, 4 months ago

Stirrinuptrouble:

Investing in our current ball fields is one thing. Building ore of them at a million a pop for a business that might not even need them or use them is foolish.

We could use that money to address our CURRENT TRAFFIC NIGHTMARE.

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almostlocal 6 years, 4 months ago

Why is it always Triple Crown's fault that our streets are overcrowded? Where does the huge amount of traffic come from the other 11 months of the year (triple crown is here about 4 weeks, not 10 weeks) ? Remember when we had Triple Crown fast pitch girls teams here? Park City built beautiful fields for them and took them away. Don't think that other towns are not ready to spend money and take the boys baseball teams away - our main and pretty much only source of tourist taxes in the summer. Wait till after the 9th of August - the town will be vacant. Oh, but there will still be traffic jams through town and out on 129 and all the way to Craig.

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blackthroatedwind 6 years, 4 months ago

Almostlocal, you had to be there to understand that IT WAS TC CAUSING YESTERDAY'S TRAFFIC JAM!!!. The traffic jam started at Pine Grove, came all the way down 40, turned left, and was bumper to bumper to romick arena, where TC had some sort of gathering (not a game, it was awards or organizational stuff). It was unbelievable!

The folks who complain about individual groups and families attending TC, in my opinion, are dead wrong. I see nothing wrong with the TC participants and I harbor no ill will towards them. However I still suggest that we eliminate our dependence on them.

Geez, everyone is talking about eliminating our dependence on foreign oil. TC is the same thing, exactly! Towns, Counties, States, and Countries should not depend on one source for anything that concerns their economic well-being! Especially when there is a huge, diverse pool of active folks just waiting to be marketted to replace TC. It is so obvious, I can't believe anyone would argue against it.

Diverse groups coming to Steamboat to replace TC would significantly improve our TC-caused summer traffic problems. The traffic of TC moves in pulses in concert with their games, awards, etc. A more diverse pool of summer visitors would not move in these traffic congesting (traffic as vehicles and traffic on sidewalks, in restaurants, stores, etc) pulses.

NO MORE DEPENDENCE ON TC!!!

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ijustlookhi 6 years, 4 months ago

No to Triple Clowners! There are other options and they have worn out there welcome, I am tired of them!

Please lets have some foresight, creativity and common sense and say no to building baseball fields all over town and catering to this boorish demographic.

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digit1964 6 years, 4 months ago

I thought the traffic was wonderful yesterday! reminded me of my youth in Southern California....... AHHH Sweet memories!

PS- our property taxes are really low folks..... thanks to the brutal marketing..

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colobob 6 years, 4 months ago

..........., and the ever present "ultimatum" once again echoes throughout the valley.

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Steve Lewis 6 years, 4 months ago

I've stayed on the TC "sideline" thus far, but per below an investment in new playing fields is unlikely:

"This year, Triple Crown World Series numbers are down. ...300 teams this summer compared to 348 teams that competed last summer. The decrease is because of a number of factors Van Alsburg said, but he expects participation to be back up next year. If that's not the case, "there might not be a need for four more fields in 2010."

In another Pilot article TC listed gas prices among the factors behind the lower 2008 attendance. I think gas prices are easily the dominant factor. For good or bad, TC numbers in the coming years will continue to decline as gas prices rise. Chris Wilson's position that we still need more fields for soccer and lacrosse may not prove true if TC declines further. -Steve Lewis

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elkeye 6 years, 4 months ago

lewi...any investment in new playing fields is unlikely because the city simply can not afford to build them!

2009 and 2010 is going to present a budget challenge and funding Triple Crown demands is only going to make it worse.

The annual appearance of Triple Crown in the Yampa Valley is about as welcome as the plague.

Triple Crown can take their demands to Park City or any other place outside the Yampa Valley.

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colobob 6 years, 4 months ago

The draw for TC and its participants is Steamboat and the recreational opportunities it offers IN ADDITION to its tournaments. No other venue offers the diversity that the Boat offers. King knows it, the participants know it. Seems like the only ones that don't realize that TC's biggest appeal to its players and their families are some of us. Folding when you hold the winnig hand is a losing proposition. If TC Sports could do better elsewhere by leaving they would have done so long ago. TC survives in part because of Steamboat. Watch the decline in participation if TC were to go elsewhere. Kings no fool, he isn't going anywhere as long as Steamboat is the destination of choice.

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ColoradoNative 6 years, 4 months ago

Well lewi if gas prices limited 50 teams from coming this year then 50 fewer will probably be coming next year when gas is well over $5.00/gallon.

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Kevin Nerney 6 years, 4 months ago

Someone ask Chris Wilson this -- If more Lacrosse and soccer fields are needed why wasn't more sod laid on the new whistler field? I paced it out and they are only 75 yards wide, another 30 or 40 yards would not have cost a million dollars and the fields then could have been striped east and west (3 wide) as opposed to north and south one wide. And don't tell me its because "That's school property" When the time comes it is just as easy to rip up the sod as it is to rip up the existing weeds?

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ColoradoNative 6 years, 4 months ago

Paddlefisher said "I tend to agree with you..its not TC more poor planing.wine fest in middle of one of the busiest weekends...winter traffic is just as bad with the all stop 4whds/suvs.."

At the end of our real problem is Traffic. You can label people as TCers, Skiers, whatever but when you only have 1 road through a city you are going to have problems. Add in thousands of homes via 700 or other projects and the TCers/Skiers won't even want to come to Steamboat anymore.

We can no longer ignore our real problem. How can we keep developing downtown with no solution in sight?

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almostlocal 6 years, 4 months ago

I am all for a diverse group of visitors. Please, let's bring them here. Any ideas? We cannot have the following: anyone who goes to a concert that is not at the Strings building, anyone who races a vintage automobile or motorcycle, anyone who rides a cutting horse. Let's have a wine festival in the middle of a triple crown week. Not one week later when there are no events going on in town. Everyone complains when the town is busy about the clientele, but no one comes up with any other options. And I have seen extreme traffic jams many many times in this town that have nothing to do with triple crown. Winter Carnival fireworks anyone? No one complains when the winter tourists are crowding the roads. How about the 129 & 40 stop light at 5:15 on a weekday every month of the yearl? Don't even try to make a left turn around there!

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dave reynolds 6 years, 4 months ago

I tend to agree with you..its not TC more poor planing.wine fest in middle of one of the busiest weekends...winter traffic is just as bad with the all stop 4whds/suvs...I personally have had very little problem with TC they are friendly sometime couririous(spelling)..but truthfully I find the people moving here in the last five to ten years as the ME generation..its all about ME and the heck with all of you..case in point driving while either taking on cell or tring to text..tailgating.damn you you driving the speed limit..anyway you get my point..TC is welcome here in my book ..tax revenue now folks are able to work year round..how many of you remember when on a good day their were four help wante ads in the paper..I do..so just chill and welcome our visitors with the respct and warm smiles you would expect

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slow_rider 6 years, 4 months ago

We need Triple Crown in Steamboat and we welcome them. I would vote for any City Council that has the vision to sign them to a 10 year contract.

I do not wish to have to tell my employees that they have no job because the Triple Crown contract was lost but a certain narrow minded sector of the population who may not see the trickle down effect of dollars spent in this town....it is jobs, amenities that we residents use, it is services that the City government provides for us; expenses that as residents we would have to meet by ourselves if we did not have TC.

Triple Crown is not to blame for the fact that we live in a beautiful town that people like to visit. We are all here for the same kind of reason and this is just part of the mix of living in a tourist based economy. If you don't like it move to Kremling!

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scooter 6 years, 4 months ago

slow_rider....

PUT DOWN THE PIPE & Check your self into detox.

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Malcolm_Reynolds 6 years, 4 months ago

Triple Crown has asked the city to improve the existing facilities and add more fields, because other cities are willing to build facilities and host the events. These are not threats just the real world.

Steamboat Springs is a World Class Resort City doesn't have World Class facilities to host the TC World Championship Series. Some want to stay World Class for the ski season and then become like any other non resort town in the USA for the summer. Why wouldn't we want to have World Class Ball Fields to complement the area in the summer?

The families that come here for the series are also like the families that come here in the winter. The cost for parents that have children playing on Triple Crown tournament teams is NOT cheap, as some would think and make you believe. There is paying to be on the team, entry fees, travel to tournaments, food and lodging. Just like skiing families who buy equipment, travel here, pay for lift tickets, food and lodging. Caution: Some of you may be biting the hands that feed you!

Too all of you that think Triple Crown Sports do not bring the "right demographic tourist." A few years ago, while playing golf at YVGC, a private jet landed with a Triple Crown Team that was playing in Craig. I guess if it was full of skiers and landed in Hayden that would be OK by you!

I would rather have children playing baseball, trading team pins and making new friends for three weeks, that are playing the national pastime, than drunk college students all of January. I was a college student a many years ago and I was skiing as cheaply as possible, to have more cash for partying.

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elkeye 6 years, 4 months ago

Malcom: if other cities are willing to build facilities and host the events for Triple Crown then Triple Crown should simply get out of Steamboat Springs. The sooner the better!

Why wouldn't we want to have World Class Ball Fields to complement the area in the summer? Because the return on the investment makes it a poor use of taxpayer dollars.

If building world class ball fields was a good investment, one or more members of the business community would build and operate them.

Triple Crown could stay... but don't expect the non-business community to ever make them feel welcome.

Still looking for one of those bumper stickers with three crossed out crowns!

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sportzmama 6 years, 4 months ago

Holy cow people here you go again blaming all that's wrong with Steamboat on Triple Crown! Get over it already. The traffic is bad in town ALL THE TIME - wait til next summer when they have to improve Hwy 40 through town - that's not TC fault.

I agree with the poster that stated Steamboat welcomes families in the winter, just not in the Summer. It's just getting insane around here that's for sure.

TC has brought a lot of summertime revenue to this community and as usual you will not recognize that until it's gone. Remember the car show?? People are still talking about that lost revenue that has not ever been fully recovered and we lost that event 10 + years ago!!!

There are other things to worry about in this community like filling up the Food Bank and making sure our workers can afford to live here!

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slow_rider 6 years, 4 months ago

Scooter, I offered my opinion because I live in the real world, with employees to pay and my own family to support. It may not be your world but I am free to share my side of the story - that is what community discussion is about. Triple Crown is important to us and in my opinion creates no greater impact than any of the other events that make up the summer calendar.

From a business perspective the Triple Crown organization does a great job of bringing people here who spend serious amounts of money in the valley for a family vacation that centers around a competition. These are families - same as we see in winter - and Steamboat is a great family destination. Long may TC continue to support our economy. Without TC this summer would be a tough one - don't bite the hand that feeds.

This discussion does not need your drug induced slurs. You need to accept that your point of view is not the only one that counts.

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scooter 6 years, 4 months ago

slow_rider

Then let the people decide... Put it on the ballot! I guarantee you, for every one of you who vote to keep it, there will be 25 of us to get rid of them. You know it... I know it!!!

That's why they won't put it to a vote... but the newly elected Steamboat Springs City Council (that will completely replace the old board) will.

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corduroy 6 years, 4 months ago

I find it funny we had tons of press about this in the Spring, and then it as just dropped from public view, and imagine that, they are here AGAIN!

Usually I just get stopped for directions to someplace, but I missed out riding on Emerald the other day because the traffic was too much to even get there much less park (since I live out of town and need to drive my bike to trails in town)

I've learned that besides work, I avoid downtown in the summer, its too crazy already

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elkeye 6 years, 4 months ago

Scooter...why wait for a newly elected Steamboat Springs City Council?

After the current Steamboat Springs City Council passes the proposed ordinance, why don't you put together a citizen's petition and force the City Council to put the 2009/2010 Triple Crown extension on the ballot?

It's time for the silent majority to take back the process!

The word of the day is "R-E-F-E-R-E-N-D-U-M".

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SilverSpoon 6 years, 4 months ago

TC is great for business, Subway was packed and there were 4 happy workers whose salary relies on the TC family rush. I mean, if TC left, could subway afford to pay 4 employees $7/hr with no benifits? Fuel costs may make it so TCers can't afford the $8 sandwich anymore, nor a rio marg. Then the locals will get what they want, a ghost town with no economy, and be able to drive to starbucks whenever they please, and have the road all to themselves.

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geek101 6 years, 4 months ago

I agree with Silver Spoon, where do you think the locals salaries come from, not everyone who lives here is rich, the economy is bad enough now without kicking out the people who come and spend the money that contributes to alot of paychecks... This is a tourist town. No tourists = no income.

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scooter 6 years, 4 months ago

SilverSpoon... "Fuel costs may make it so TCers can't afford the $8 sandwich anymore, nor a rio marg. Then the locals will get what they want, a ghost town with no economy, and be able to drive to starbucks whenever they please, and have the road all to themselves."

THAT SOUNDS FRICKIN GREAT TO ME!!!!

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bluegrassguy 6 years, 4 months ago

A ghost town, with the roads all to ourselves? Sounds pretty good to me, kind of like town 20-30 years ago. A bit of an exaggeration I would think, but I agree with the above posters. PUT IT TO A VOTE. City council does not want to do this, they know what the result would be. That would not bode will for all their side businesses such as real as estate. You are concerned about traffic on 129, come hang out now on River Road for a while. It is a two lane freeway, average speed about 40 miles per hour with no regard to the residents. You know, what is wrong with slowing the economy a bit. Yes, there might be some casualties to the specialty stores like Lama fur and beads and such, but that is life. I was delighted to see this morning that flights into YVRA were 42% full. Hopefully they will be cancelled! PLEASE city council, start listening to the MAJORITY of your citizens, not a few business owners.

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Matthew Stoddard 6 years, 4 months ago

Oh yeah? Well, I think we should vote on whether it should come to a vote or not, first! Then, we should vote on whether the vote should be electronic, paper or show of hands. Then, it should be put to a vote as to when this other vote should take place- now or in November. Then, we vote on who pays for the vote if it's now- the City, Triple Crown or everyone voting must pay $5 in order to vote to cover costs of a special vote.

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Matthew Stoddard 6 years, 4 months ago

We should also vote to see if it should be a county wide vote, since a lot of us who live in the county work for companies who depend on TC.

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scooter 6 years, 4 months ago

It's just economics 101. If a business is relying on one factor (TC) for 1/3 of their yearly income, and feel that if they loose TC they will go out of business: Then they will fail eventually.

But I gotta say this. On July 4th post fireworks, no business were open except the bars. NOT ONE!!! Here you have a captive audience of 20,000 to 25,000 people, with no businesses open. They want to spend money, buy T shirts, CDs, Books, and souvenirs. Even possibly have a cup of coffee, or ice cream, or just browse. Your businesses lost a lot of money that night! STOP COMPLAINING!!!

If you demand family time... fine...but STOP COMPLAINING!!!

In a resort town: there are no days off. That's the price you pay for living in a resort town!

This will be my last blog since Boyer is going to change the rules. Too bad: Just think of all the junk mail all of you that reregister are going to get.

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bluegrassguy 6 years, 4 months ago

Kielbasa,

How will you have time to do so much voting between the commute to our fair city from the county and the taking care of all the TC'ers. You must be one busy man! Especially since the commuting is so SLOW because of all the traffic! Oh, and by the way, just like the proposed rec center that was voted on by the citizens of STEAMBOAT, if ya wanna say what goes on here, move in the city limits.

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bluegrassguy 6 years, 4 months ago

Kielbasa,

Born here, Routt Memorial Hospital, didn't like the tourists then either.

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Matthew Stoddard 6 years, 4 months ago

bluegrass- that's the whole point of electing the City Council- so a vote on every little thing you disagree with isn't necessary. Want TC out? Vote in a new City Council when the time comes. If not, well, I guess you aren't in the majority.

As for the rec center, it was a Steamboat vote. I'm hoping for annexation along with the 700 eventually, so I can vote on city issues- maybe even run for Council because of it! (Be afraid- VERRRRY afraid!! LOL!)

It's too expensive right now in city limits, but I've been here living and working in Steamboat for 30yrs, as have a lot of people not within city limits. Where do you think a strong portion of Steamboat workers live? Not in the city limits. If so, we wouldn't have the OC canyon and Craig/Hayden traffic, which is year round. I notice no difference in the summer as any other time of year for traffic. What happens within city limits affects me and other people, along with employers in city limits.

Thanks for helping prove my point! Greatly appreciated!

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elkeye 6 years, 4 months ago

kielbasa...the whole point of the right of referendum in the City Charter is for the residents of the City of Steamboat Springs (not the county) to undo ordinances that the City Council may enact that do not represent the will of the residents.

No one is suggesting a vote on every little thing!

As a resident of the county, you do not have to deal with the negatives 24/7 during the annual invasion of Triple Crown. Must be nice to go home at night and escape.

In regards to your hope for the annexation of Steamboat 700, don't hold your breath.

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Matthew Stoddard 6 years, 4 months ago

Elkeye- I work in city limits and drive thru traffic as much as anyone else. When you go home for the day, you escape into your unit. If you live in a condo assoc. that caters to TC and feel I have it better than you to escape that aspect, you have the choice to move into the county, also, just as people say it was my decision to move outside of city limits. It doesn't mean I'm not affected- I am...all summer long, just like you.

And yes- everyone is saying "I want to vote on this." Maybe just not everyone saying to vote on the same things. "700 annexation...I want a vote!" "TC- I want a vote!" "Ski Time Sqr- I want a vote." You read it here every day. Your "don't hold your breath" implies (tell me if it's wrong) that you want to vote on it. If the will of the people elected the City Council and they are for TC staying, there's your vote right there. They represent not the will of the residents, but the will of the MAJORITY of residents. There's a difference. Should you get enough people to force a vote, more power to you. If not, then...you don't and the majority has spoken.

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melonie barrett 6 years, 4 months ago

if it was not for the tourists,,and the people that enjoy coming to this town and spending tons of money,it would be nothing to see just like the minds of the people who are so whiney,,whine whine whine

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Matthew Stoddard 6 years, 4 months ago

Let me guess- for all those who weren't born here, did you move here willy-nilly, or did you come to visit town first as a tourist for some reason?

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steamboatyahoo 6 years, 4 months ago

how can I get one of those jobs at Subway that pay $7/hour that Silverspoon was writing about? I would like to be one of those happy workers too.

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ybul 6 years, 4 months ago

Fixing up the ball fields for TC probably would be a good idea. Adding new fields, given the economic climate is a bad idea.

With Freddie and Fannie, in trouble, Indymac going belly up after Bear Sterns was bailed out, The added debt burden all US citizens are going to have for bailing out freddie and fannie and a great war, and few countries wanting to finance our spending, it may not be wise to go further in hawk in hopes that TC will grow when they shrank this year.

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BaseballfromKS 6 years, 4 months ago

Have been here all week, from Kansas, very nice here. Our baseball team, along with 13 families made our plans to come here about 7 months ago, so excited to get to come back. All families are spending from $3000 to $6000 each this week supporting your airport, condos, hotels, diners, restaurants, gift shops, theaters, rodeo, and so on. Was really dissapointed to find out that a lot of the locals dont even want us here. Im so puzzled. Im sorry your roads get busy, but arent they busy all winter? Why not just find a happy compromise with the folks in charge of triple crown to help with the fields? Are we not the class of tourist you want?

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BaseballfromKS 6 years, 4 months ago

Just wanted to clarify one more thing... we go to a big tournament every year, last year it was cooperstown, year before it was disney wide world or sports in orlando, year before that it was here. for our team, it is not the economy that dictates where we go, we decide, raise money if needed for the team, and go. It is already a choice for us, and finding out that a town does not even want us here will help us make the decision for next year. Still i wonder, since i have yet to have a single business turn down any business we have given them, not a single "oh, you're a baseball team, no thanks, not wanting to do business with you..." hmmm where is this talk even coming from? Isnt it nice when you decide to go out to eat to find that your favorite spot is still open and ready for business? Wonder who supports them when your not there?

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slow_rider 6 years, 4 months ago

Baseballfrom KS I am glad that you are here as are many business owners with employees to pay and families to feed.

We live in a diverse community and there are those who do not need your business to survive who will not appreciate the impact that you or any other visitors to the town (or the construction companies or gravel trucks or freight traffic or even the ever increasing number of residents) create with regards the traffic that interferes with their "divine right" to empty streets and supermarkets. That is their dreamworld, but not our reality.

We know that you are here to play sport with your families in this beautiful corner or Colorado and hope that you will return home with tales about all the things you can do and see here in the summer. You are our life blood because we are a tourist based economy. Most of all we are a #1 family destination and what is important to me is that you came with your families to share what our families enjoy about living here. Keep it coming - there's a lot of Steamboat for everyone.

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Malcolm_Reynolds 6 years, 4 months ago

BaseballfromKS---I will take your class of tourist every time! I loved it Monday night, when all the kids came out and the teams walked around the rodeo grounds. The best part is the camaraderie that took place afterward, when the kids exchanged their team pins. Everyone I have met this week is friendly and inquisitive about the area, since I live here. Triple Crown tourists are far nicer than the type we get here ski season, heck in hunting season the tourists are nicer!

I have friends in from out of town and they are NOT staying with me, even though they know they can. They are staying in town at a condo, to be with the team and are spending their hard earned cash in town. They are doing all of the touristy things around the area this week each day after the game. After their games tomorrow, I'm loading up the toys and taking them to California Park. They also come here in the winter to ski and play, but stay with my family to be with us and not do the aprÃs ski thing at the local establishments.

Steamboat Springs is known as a family oriented town during ski season. Why are some so intolerant to the families that visit in the summer? What a double standard some have!

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sportzmama 6 years, 4 months ago

baseballfromKS - I came to Steamboat as a Triple Crown softball player and ended up moving here and will never leave. The people who say they do not want TC here are the same people that chear in the winter when the streets are crowded, the supermarkets full, condo properties get destroyed. Their pie in the sky notion of Steamboat is just that - a notion. There is a population of people that live here that are family oriented and we "get it" that this is a tourist destination and it is going to be hectic. I say bring it on! That means our economy will be healthier and those of us who have to work 1-2 jobs just to live here can all thank the stars for your visits. I hope you enjoyed your time and believe me there are plenty of folks who want you here.

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almostlocal 6 years, 4 months ago

Baseball from KC - I am sorry that the vocal minority have affected your experience here in Steamboat. Unfortunately, the few speak very loudly and the rest of us who are busy taking care of our special guests here in Steamboat - in the winter AND the summer, don't necessarily have time to get on line and defend tourism. We are the ones who make your reservations, check you in, take your dinner orders, check you out at the grocery store and wait on you when you spend your hard earned dollars in ours stores. We love you and want you to keep coming back. All the whining about the crowded streets and restaurants and grocery stores are just the disgruntled ones who hate to be inconvenienced in any way - whether it is by a tourist or a local. Because of you, the majority of people who live in Steamboat and Routt County have jobs and/or own businesses. Thank you and we hope you come back to our beautiful town in the future!

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dave reynolds 6 years, 4 months ago

well..all the years people opposed TC i was in support of having them come..had never had any problems till last weekend...Sat. early morning I gave up my weekend with my family to provide a service for TC..when I arrived in Hayden ..I found one ball field totally trashed with beer cans pop cans and just basic trash(approx 4 yrds)..then i found the port a potties tipped over...in all the years we have provided service for TC have i never encountered such a mess..how do i know it was TC that tipped the toilets..there a several portable toilets around the surrounding area and none of them were tipped over and on Sunday morn none were tipped over..those toilets were staked down with rebar about a foot an a half in the ground..this was a bluntant act of disrespect to first TC,the teams that had to play there Sat. the company I work for the people of Routt county who HOST you...yes maybe it was one team but they left a very bad taste in my mouth..I hope the officals with TC handles this situation by finding out the last teams that played on Friday in Hayden.call a meeting an either one fesses up or all four are out..its not right to judge a group by the actions of one but when TC wants us to upgrade fields etc...then they should send a better class of teams...thx dave Durham for all your help sat morn..we both had alot to deal with

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ColoradoNative 6 years, 4 months ago

BaseballfromKS said "Im so puzzled. Im sorry your roads get busy, but arent they busy all winter? Why not just find a happy compromise with the folks in charge of triple crown to help with the fields?

A compromise with the folks that run TC would be good but everything I've read from them says "Build us more ball fields or we're leaving". They already threatened to move your group to Reno. Should be fun playing baseball in 100 degree weather!

Don't get me wrong I think it's great you guys enjoy this valley but your tourist dollars aren't any more important than the next tourist. I use to spend my money as a tourist here and didn't feel the need to tell the locals how much I spent here.

Our real problem KS is our infrastructure has been ignored by our local city council and planning dept while permits have been approved blindly all over the valley. Our city, lifestyle, and tourist industry will suffer as a result until there is some real progress with our road system.

Good luck to your team and enjoy your stay.

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BaseballfromKS 6 years, 4 months ago

Back in KS now and back to work, boo hoo, 100% humidity, 95 degrees, had a great time as did my children, hope to be back soon as i absolutely love the little piece of heaven you all get to call home.

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BoatMaster 6 years, 4 months ago

I went to Slopeside grill last night and watched the sunset. I also watched about 8 Triple Crown kids in the preteen age throw large rocks at the new Chairlift. Hitting it an making large pings when the rocks hit the metal plating.

This went on for over an hour while the parents looked on.

Way to go losers !!!!!!!!!

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steamberg 6 years, 4 months ago

BaseballfromKS . . . while you and your group may be considerate there are some that are not and give you a bad rap. Unfortunately I witnessed a team at a restaurant where the coach/parents didn't give a sh!t and allowed the kids to sit at different tables, run around and disturb the other patrons. When the staff/management tried to curtail the disturbance the coach/parents were EXTREMELY rude. We cut our meal short because of the mayhem. A little of that goes a long way in a small town! As for our community - the vintage auto races, motorcycle races, cutting horses, etc provided tax dollars and also entertainment for the locals! Sorry TCS but I say go find another town with your ultimatum and let our town bring back some other groups that appreciate/respect the locals and offer something back to the community.

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stillinsteamboat 6 years, 4 months ago

As a 20 year restaurant veteran in this town I would have to say that TC is one of the most difficult groups to serve. They are clueless as to what goes on around them. Yes there are some who are very considerate but most treat our hometown like a pit stop. Use it up, throw it out. They don't seem to care about leaving a good impression on the residents of SS. As for there behavior in restaurants, it's unbelievably rude. In a word CLUELESS.

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Matthew Stoddard 6 years, 4 months ago

Steamberg- I've seen the same in restaurants from locals with their kids or in the winter with skiers and their kids. It's not just a TC thing. Plus, blame the locals for the Vintage Auto Races going away. The track they used in the past is no longer a viable area due to the adjustments to Mt. Werner Circle. (Even moreso, now.) Where would we put them?

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madmoores 6 years, 4 months ago

Here's how I see it. Skiing is a given, that is what made Steamboat. I think the locals just want a break in the summer to enjoy the off season in the paradise they came here for, you can't tell me employment opportunities lure people here. All the year-round tourism wears one down and it becomes mundane to live here instead of enjoyable. Maybe that is why there are no complaints about the skier's, like I said, they are a given and are tolerated until the snow melts. That's how it used to be but I guess not now, Steamboat is 365 forever. As for the locals and their kids, I agree, there are some who have no common sense at all. All TC needs to do is clean up their act, police those who cause discontent in host communities and cease the "you must build or else" attitude. Threats get you nothing. We get the same here, just on a smaller scale. Crappy driving, loud, inconsiderate, just to name a few. This is the minority I believe and it all works on chance, you never know who you might run into. I have met and helped many kind and generous TC type so they ain't all bad.

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