The double set of stripes didn't seem to confuse John Dorman as he rode his bike along Routt County Road 36 on Monday afternoon. The contractor working for Routt County striped the road in the morning, but crews mistakenly striped over the existing 9-foot lines instead of widening the driving lane to 10 feet.

Photo by John F. Russell

The double set of stripes didn't seem to confuse John Dorman as he rode his bike along Routt County Road 36 on Monday afternoon. The contractor working for Routt County striped the road in the morning, but crews mistakenly striped over the existing 9-foot lines instead of widening the driving lane to 10 feet.

Crew bungles road striping

Error leads to double white line after controversial decision to widen C.R. 36

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— The Routt County Road 36 saga continued Monday morning when crews incorrectly re-striped the road.

Citing safety concerns, county commissioners voted 2-1 last month to change the width of the road's lanes through Strawberry Park. They were to be increased from 9 feet to 10 feet, cutting each shoulder from 5 feet to 4 feet.

The decision led to an outcry from cyclists and others who use the shoulder of the road that leads to Strawberry Park Hot Springs. Commissioners Nancy Stahoviak and Doug Monger, who voted for the change, defended the widening.

But then, the company doing the striping, Patriot Highway Markings out of Rifle, repainted the original 9-foot lane markings Monday. After learning of the mistake, the crews painted an additional line at the 10-foot mark, leaving a double white line on each side.

The error resulted from a mix-up, county Road and Bridge Director Paul Draper said. One segment of C.R. 36 was supposed to keep 9-foot-wide lanes, and the lanes in Strawberry Park were supposed to go to 10 feet.

"The part of 36 that's called the Shelf Road was intended to be 9 feet," Draper said. "Once they got into the park, they continued that."

Draper said he was out with crews Wednesday when they first were meant to re-stripe the road. Equipment broke down that day, he said, which pushed the work to Monday. Draper had a meeting and was unable to attend the re-striping.

"That's why I was out there Wednesday - I knew this was going to be confusing," he said. "But we broke down, and that was beyond my control."

Draper said he found out about the error from Stahoviak, who called him on his cell phone. Stahoviak would not comment on the mistake.

"They are not happy," Draper said about the commissioners.

Chip-sealing crews will be out in about three weeks and will cover the 9-foot line, he said.

The county will have to pay for it, but the cost will be negligible, Draper said. Patriot Highway Markings is not charging the county for the extra paint.

"We've created an unintentional buffer, but that inside line will go away," Draper said.

Striping errors have occurred on C.R. 36 in the past. Officials have said that the 9-foot lanes were the result of a striping error in 2006. Speeding cars make the narrower lanes dangerous, Stahoviak and Monger have said.

Commissioner Diane Mitsch Bush voted against widening the road. She had little to say about the error Monday afternoon.

"The striper made a mistake," she said. "That happens sometimes."

Monger said only that Road and Bridge staff members were handling the situation adequately.

"It's a little late to be putting blame on whatever, whoever," he said. "We'll do what we need to do to get rid of this illusionary stripe."

Comments

shadow 6 years, 3 months ago

This is liable to confuse drivers and cyclists.

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BoatMaster 6 years, 3 months ago

HA HA HA HA

What a Hoot !!!

Finally something from Nancy Stahoviak that makes me laugh. Thanks for the great start to my day.

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rsssco 6 years, 3 months ago

This is no laughing matter.
Imagine the uneasy and unsafe feeling Nancy's husband will feel now when driving Nancy out to Geneva's for cocktails. The sheer confusion they'll experience trying to decide which line is which. The commissioners should close the road until this can be corrected. ;-)

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seeuski 6 years, 3 months ago

Are you kidding me? The striping company won't charge for the extra paint? But the county will have to pay to cover the wrong line and who pays? We do. Our tax dollars at work. How were the instructions to be relayed by Draper to the striping crew? Sign language? Blue tape?Great planning!

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seeuski 6 years, 3 months ago

On the other hand, this may work out for drunk drivers taking the sobriety test. Just walk a line!

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thecondoguy1 6 years, 3 months ago

I don't know if I will be able to keep my bike between those lines, looks a little narrow to me, especially after a pit stop at the OTP............

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JustAsking 6 years, 3 months ago

Why not leave it alone and see how it works out? Funny, I recall a suggestion like this in the comments on the origional article!

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ThreeJobs 6 years, 3 months ago

From the picture it looks like the double line is working seperating the bikes from the cars. Could it be that a least some users know what a double white lines indicates? Looks like a happy accident from here.

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rsssco 6 years, 3 months ago

Too funny! I can't wait to see what Matt and the Cabaret Crew do with this for next year's show!!

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mohabie 6 years, 3 months ago

Did the painting crews take advantage of the new liquor laws and drink up Sunday? Those lines (both sets!) are about as straight as Lance Bass of the Backstreet Boys.

Just as an airplane accident is usually caused by a series of failures, so was this goof-up, the first of which began at the County Commissioner level.

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Token 6 years, 3 months ago

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!

(ever hear of karma?)

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knee_dropper 6 years, 3 months ago

Ha, I remember reading that suggestion of the double lines. Maybe God intervened and told the striping crew to paint two lines via a burning bush or something. The stripes actually seem to be working, the bicyclist is to the right of the inside stripe and the cars are to the left of the outside stripe. Of course there's only one bicyclist present ;-)

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QuitYerWhining 6 years, 3 months ago

The chip seal crews will be out in 3 weeks? Youve got to be kidding. They couldnt have waited to re-stripe until after the chip seal project? Just git er done..... what a waste. I wonder if the chip seal is really neccessary or just a ploy to keep the skinny tires off the road.

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hinch 6 years, 3 months ago

This is much better - more safety for the cyclists. If cars can't stay between the 9 foot lanes, the drivers shouldn't hold a license. Keep it this way (but paint the lines straight next year!)

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ColoradoNative 6 years, 3 months ago

"The striper made a mistake," she said. "That happens sometimes."

Oh those tricky strippers!

So how is someone supposed to know where the bike lane ends/begins? Instead of making the street safer it's simply more confusing and dangerous.

Mrs. Taylor with all due respect you should have told the city to widen your highway a bit to begin with. I'm sure they would have thrown down some nice new pavement for YOU.

Respect Karma! Believe!

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exduffer 6 years, 3 months ago

Perfect picture of why the shoulder only needs to be 2" wide. Why do bikers need a 5' shoulder if they only use the farthest left 2"?

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exduffer 6 years, 3 months ago

Sorry my mistake. Maybe there should be two white lines. One at 3" for mountain bike tires and another 1" out for road bikes.

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BoatMaster 6 years, 3 months ago

exduffer

The biker is trying to pass the photographer who is pushing him towards the center of the road.

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SilverSpoon 6 years, 3 months ago

Was this in a seifield episode? Kramer painted over the 3 lane highway and created 2 20' wide comfort lanes. Mrs. taylor, get your black paint out and get it done. Stop messing with our county puppets.

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Terry Noble 6 years, 3 months ago

If we keep this up the city of Steamboat will be the 21st Century version of "Mayberry RFD". Now the fight can begin for who is going to be "Barney"! I say lets eliminate the cartoon strips from the paper, we already have plenty of fodder for humor, LMAO!

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ColoradoNative 6 years, 3 months ago

The county will have to pay for it, but the cost will be negligible, Draper said. Patriot Highway Markings is not charging the county for the extra paint.

So how much did the new strip cost us in the first place? How much is this "negligible cost" to to chip seal it? Any chance someone at the pilot could get these figures for us?

I might just use the "extra lane" for my compact car to pass some people!

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osiyo 6 years, 3 months ago

It had to be intentional. Nobody is that brainless.

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id04sp 6 years, 3 months ago

Double white lines are used to separate HOV lanes from regular travel lanes in some sections of interstate highway. Solid white lines are not supposed to be crossed -- meaning you are not supposed to enter or leave the HOV lane across a solid white line. Broken double white lines are provided before and after freeway exits and elsewhere every few miles so that people can change lanes. The idea is to have the HOV lanes separated and also prevent people from weaving from the HOV into the "fast" lane to pass slower traffic in the HOV lane on the right, and then back into the HOV lane.

So, people who have seen the double whites in other places will realize they're not supposed to cross them. Maybe this will prevent bikers from riding abreast, and help stop vehicles from crowding bikers.

X-rays and vulcanized rubber were discovered by mistake too. Just because it wasn't planned this way, that doesn't mean it's not a good idea.

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exduffer 6 years, 3 months ago

Does that mean only tandems (or bigger) get to use the shoulder?

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slow_rider 6 years, 3 months ago

  1. Don't need to chip seal the road with the amount of paint recently applied.

  2. Are they chip sealing to really upset the cyclists?

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grannyrett 6 years, 3 months ago

Tee hee snicker snort. Good idea to just leave it the way it is. Separate the bicyclists from the motorists.

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madmoores 6 years, 3 months ago

Why on earth would they go back and paint a second set, especially with the upcoming chip seal? This is classic "not using your head" syndrome, my second grader thought they were drunk as well, or on something. I ask her "What went wrong here" after reading the story and looking at the pic together, her answer, "Someone was not using their grey matter very well that day". I love her. More of your Routt county tax dollars down the drain, or should I say, down the road. Must have made a stop at Ganja Bob's on the way to the liquor store...on the way to work. Classic.

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Matthew Stoddard 6 years, 3 months ago

"Ticket to ride, white line highway Tell all your friends, they can go my way Pay your toll, sell your soul Pound for pound costs more than gold The longer you stay, the more you pay My white lines go a long way Either up your nose or through your vein With nothin to gain except killin' your brain"

Grandmaster Flash "White Lines"

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paul h draper 6 years, 3 months ago

Directions on the layout was provided to the stripe contractor both written and orally. I met with the crew onsite Wednesday and reviewed the work to be done and stayed with them in an effort to make sure the work was done correctly. I knew an error was likely as the one road, CR #36, had 10 foot lanes on one part, and 9 foot on the other. Amethyst was striped correctly Wednesday, and then the spray rig broke down. I stayed around but it was clear the rig was done for a while so I left. On Monday, the direction was for them to call me when they got ready to stripe. They did but left a message and began work. When they started on the shelf road they were to leave the 9 foot lanes in place, so retrace the existing stripe. This they did correctly, but when they got down to Amethyst they should have switched over to the 10 foot lanes to match what was striped Wednesday, but they did not. When it became apparent that they had striped the wrong line there was no way I was not going to stripe the correct line as directed by the BCC, Nancy would have had my head, and still may.

The road does NOT get chip sealed this summer. Never has the Board of Commissioners or the public taken such interest in the lane widths of one small portion of county road. The irony of the error is that clearly we see demonstrated graphically what we have been discussing the last few weeks.

The nature of working for the public is that when an error is made, it is likely to end up on the front page as this one did. Its a tough neighborhood.

I apologize that we have even had to have this discussion.

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Malcolm_Reynolds 6 years, 3 months ago

Does the Internet Edition of the Today need to headline this article a second day? My first thought was they didn't get todays edition out, but wait the other articles are new. This MUST be really important stuff to them.

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colobob 6 years, 3 months ago

"Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." - Albert Einstein -

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confused 6 years, 3 months ago

Go Routt County!!! Don't worry about the sappy bicyclists trying to impersonate Lance Armstrong in their tighties. Who cares about the lines. Any savvy driver knows that you would use the closest lines painted. Duh!! Put down bigger chips, make bicycle registration laws and give them something to control instead of our highways meant for 5K pound plus vehicles. Idiots!!

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Joe_Mama 6 years, 3 months ago

Joe would have never pegged Matt for a Furious Five fan.

"Don't push me 'cause I'm close to the edge, I'm trying not to lose my head"

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natv63 6 years, 3 months ago

Leave the double line. It looks great. This may set the standard as to how all shared roads are stripped. Hopefully the non registered non insured bikes ride where they are supposed to.

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Joe_Mama 6 years, 3 months ago

Joe demands more stripes, preferrably one that zig zag's from one side of the road to the other !

Let's make things interesting !

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stmbtprof 6 years, 3 months ago

Paul...thanks for having the guts and sense of humor to tell the truth and use your name...you do a good job...

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natv63 6 years, 3 months ago

I agree stmbtprof. That wasn't easy. You know Nancy raked him over the coals. Keep your head up Paul. You do a great job.

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id04sp 6 years, 3 months ago

Joe,

Yeah, I think t hey should have done a BAC test on the guy who painted those stripes. The truck was probably being driven by an illegal who never did it before.

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Joe_Mama 6 years, 3 months ago

Joe can't believe id04sp couldn't come up with a conspiracy theory, as is typically his wont, and instead only took this opportunity to bash illegals.

Let's see, -Gary Wall was roofied, not simply drunk, -Obama is going to drive gas prices up to ten bucks a gallon, -The Iron Horse purchase was clearly a case of nepotism, -We should treat the Arabs like we treated the native Americans, if that's what "it takes to have global peace", - rules are made to be broken, - A liquor law violator was railroaded, and is also in the same catagory as Rush Limbaugh, - Bill Clinton gutted the military (although after the end of the cold war there was no need to spend what we were spending), -"Trickle down" or "voodoo economics" work (straight out of the Sean Hannity playbook) - Bill Clinton failed to "go after" terrorists, (although I'm sure Ramzi Yousef would disagree), - Schools don't teach kids how to think, they only teach them what to think, - Segregration was not a racial issue as much as it was a public health issue, - We should be signing people up to go live in Iraq as our 51st state, - A side effect of the civil rights movement was that it allowed people to live immorally - The real solution to the "middle east" problem is to kill them all, occupy their country, and take what we want.....

Joe could go on, but he thinks the readers of these forums probably already have id04sp's game figured out.

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id04sp 6 years, 3 months ago

Ah, poor Joe.

The fact you don't like any of it doesn't mean it's not true.

And I don't claim that any of it is "right."

It's just mostly, all true.

If it makes you feel any better, the REAL crooks in Routt County are mostly wealthy and white. The petty crooks are mostly wage-earning, substance abusing whites. The hardest workers are mostly the illegals, who have jobs because the wage-earning, substance abusing whites are unreliable.

Feel better now?

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Joe_Mama 6 years, 3 months ago

Joe thinks that the above examples are not "mostly true", only id04sp's opinion.

id04sp is certainly entitled to his opinion, however incorrect his perception may be.

Just as Joe has the right to call him on his BS.

For instance, Joe doesn't think it's an "Arab" problem - it's a problem of religion, which deserves to be criticized, ridiculed, and demeaned for it's history of child abuse, violence, and resistance to real knowledge.

Joe, however, agrees that most crooks in this whole country are wealthy and white. Bush, Cheney, and their buttboy Ken Lay are perfect examples. Joe wishes more had realized this and not re-elected these fools. But it happened, and 4000k-plus of our military professionals have lost their lives as a result of their stupidity-which id04sp seems to support. Joe would be surprised if there wasn't a "W in '04" sticker on the bumper of id04sp's car, given the gist of some of his online comments.

Also, Joe always feels fine, and no amount of condesending remarks for or against Joe's positions by the likes of id04sp is going to change that.

Joe feels id04sp should just hole up there on Seedhouse, or wherever, do his "telecommuting" - which Joe suspects is a euphemism for "surfing porn" - and have a great day.

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colobob 6 years, 3 months ago

I miss svbor, he didn't talk to himself,.......... right, wrong or indifferent he offered opposing viewpoints with links to help substanciate his point of view, and most of all he didn't spew athiest bull crap every time he attempted to argue a point.

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colobob 6 years, 3 months ago

id, bob says that while I, I mean he, may not agree with all of your opinions or points of view, at least you are civil with your responses, I, I mean bob, can respect that. bob feels better now!

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id04sp 6 years, 3 months ago

Bobby,

Most of the obvious problems and solutions we face are just a matter of looking one or two more steps in both directions to see how things occurred, why they occurred, and what we might do about them, and what the potential effects would be.

For example, my crack about the illegals was based on the fact they are here to work, and will NOT turn down a job or admit they don't know how to do it. They are very resourceful, have great mechanical skills and common sense (from working with their hands and heads together all their lives), and will usually figure it out as they go if you give them the chance. That doesn't always give a good result on the first try, and the stripes on the road may be an example. That's all.

I agree with Reverend Jackson that there are far too many black men in jail in this country. At the same time, where are the security camera tapes of white men holding up stores and banks in broad daylight? Do the local TV news stations only cover crimes committed by black men?

I agree that white racism against black people is responsible for a lack of opportunity which leads to unemployment and crime. On the other hand, we hear far too much about black kids who think that doing well in school means "acting white." Uh, isn't that racism too?

We must all adapt and evolve, or die. Failure to thrive in one's immediate environment means you'd better change, or go elsewhere. It's a fundamental law of nature.

Right now, the only solution I see to the cyclist vs. motorist controversy is for cyclists to evolve the ability to pedal 55 mph up a hill.

I like the double white lines, however. They are particularly helpful when it's dark and the road is wet. I know that's not why they're there, but it's still a good idea.

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colobob 6 years, 3 months ago

id, my little 2.2 4cly pick up won't do 55 up a hill, not even if I pedal. As far the lines go, maybe there really is justice in the world, at least in this instance. Hey, you have a good day.

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id04sp 6 years, 3 months ago

As the old saying goes, "Even a blind hog finds an acorn now and then."

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Joe_Mama 6 years, 3 months ago

Joe agrees with id04sp, and apologizes for being insulting.

However, as far as bob is concerned, Joe would ask which part of atheism he thinks is "bullcrap".

Joe doesn't really expect a rational answer though, since bob admits he misses sbvor.

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Kevin Chapman 6 years, 3 months ago

I think what some people don't realize in this forum is that HORSES are often on this road and a four foot shoulder doesn't seem adequate enough, with fast moving vehicles passing, to allow horses to be comfortable. Why in the heck hasn't someone mentioned a speed bump to slow motorists? Do we honestly think widening the lanes will SLOW cars down? Mr. Draper, does this make sense to you?

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colobob 6 years, 3 months ago

with so many nuts available the hog must be well fed.

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Joe_Mama 6 years, 3 months ago

Joe thinks it's all about common courtesy, sharing the road, ect.........Cyclists whining about drivers, drivers whining about cyclists........bitch, bitch, bitch...

Joe STILL demands more stripes on the road !

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colobob 6 years, 3 months ago

bob thinks that all of Joes athiest views are bull. bob however understands that while bob believes in God others may choose not to. bob knows joe has a right to his opinion, but bob also knows that no amount of debate will persuade bob to denounce his maker. And yes bob misses svbor but since joe doesn't appear to consider opposing viewpoints to have any validity bob sees no reason to debate joe on the matter of religion. bob wishes joe a nice day just the same. bobs going fishing.

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Joe_Mama 6 years, 3 months ago

And Joe realizes that they are not "athiest views", they are reality......If someone chooses to be deluded, fine, but keep those archaic dogmatic concepts out of schools and politics.

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colobob 6 years, 3 months ago

Joe, just for the record I agree that it's all about common courtesy, or at least it should be. I liked the lines as they were before, maybe next time diagonals would be nice. Sharing the road is not a difficult concept to understand or follow and at least we agree on that point. Again you have a nice day.

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colobob 6 years, 3 months ago

Thanks. I'm hoping that a certain amount of expertise prevails over luck but a little luck certainly wouldn't hurt. Now if I can just navigate the water without taking my all too frequent dunking then I will indeed be lucky. Maybe a wetsuit and a floatation vest would be more appropriate attire. Can't be as odd looking as a guy swimming after a couple of pontoons floating downstream. If you were to see such a sight my anonimity will probably have been compromised. The wet suit certainly would be a give away. To all have a greatday and take a kid fishing!

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dave reynolds 6 years, 3 months ago

Nucs.if drivers in stbt would obey the speed limit and other BASIC DRIVING RULES this wouldn't be such an issue but ..hey thats not the stemboat way more..get otta my way im on the phone gota due my nails while im driving read the paper and txt you..the heck with basic rule driving its all about ME..and dont any of you forget it cause it just might cost you your life

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