Wall's winch request stalls

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— When Routt County Sheriff Gary Wall first talked about installing Sheriff's Office vehicles with winches, he hoped they could be used to help people. He's now convinced they could save people's lives.

During a meeting Tuesday with the Routt County Board of Commissioners, Wall said the purchase of winches is part of his campaign promise to find ways for the Sheriff's Office to help people, rather than "get" them.

"My whole emphasis is looking for ways to help people," Wall said. "I think it's just absolutely essential for us to have that tool for so many situations."

Winches could be used not only for something as simple as pulling someone out of a ditch, Wall said, but also in life-or-death situations. For example, they could be used to lower someone down a cliff to administer first aid or to free people trapped beneath heavy objects. Wall thinks if the Sheriff's Office had winches last year, they might have prevented two deaths that occurred after traffic accidents.

"I feel very strongly and passionately about having them on our vehicles," Wall said. "There are just a million ways we could use them for public safety."

To purchase the winches, Wall will need the approval of county officials. But little except confusion and elevated voices resulted from an appearance before the commissioners Tuesday. Wall has been after the winches for months, but as his dance with the commissioners has progressed across numerous meetings, the steps have changed little: Wall stresses the value of winches. The commissioners beg him to provide more information. No action is taken.

Tuesday's meeting was listed on the commissioners' agenda as "discussion and consideration to approve the purchase of winches for the sheriff's office," but the Sheriff's Office did not submit a written communication form with information for the commissioners to consider ahead of time.

"We did not get any information on this," County Commissioner Diane Mitsch Bush said. "We don't really have anything to work with here."

Wall and Undersheriff David Bustos said it was the result of a misunderstanding, which caused further frustration on the part of the commissioners.

"We specifically said we needed some idea of policies and direction for how the winches will be used," County Commissioner Doug Monger said.

The commissioners said their consideration of the purchase also is complicated by the evolving nature of the request. Wall previously requested two portable winches at a cost of $1,675 each to be shared among vehicles. Now, he wants all new Sheriff's Office vehicles to be equipped with a winch in addition to the two portable winches to be shared by the older vehicles.

Wall said it is problematic to adopt a formal policy for the winches because of their limitless use. He brought Barry Nelson, a law enforcement ranger with the Bureau of Land Management, to Tuesday's meeting to bolster his argument. The BLM frequently uses winches, Nelson said.

"We deliberately do not have a policy," Nelson said. "I would caution you not to enter into that. That will limit your officers' ability to use their discretion. : We don't even have a policy for carrying an edged weapon."

The commissioners have raised concerns in the past that the Sheriff's Office use of winches might hurt the business of private towing operations. Wall and Bustos said they have met with the owners of local towing companies and assured them deputies would use their winches only to tow people to eliminate traffic hazards and other dangerous situations. They said the towing companies are fine with the request.

The commissioners were receptive to Wall's explanations regarding a written policy and the private companies, but again asked to see them in written form before making any decision on the matter.

"That's really important, because the public has to have these things in an open and transparent form," Mitsch Bush said.

Comments

another_local 6 years, 1 month ago

Seems like a good idea to me. The commissioners should not be micro-managing an minor issue like this and need to get over their resistance to anything coming from the sherriff. If the leader of a dept the size of the sherriff's office wants to spend a few thousand on equipment he should be able to do so without second gusssing from politicians. As long as he stays in his budget overall this kind of meddling is counterproductive.

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AmebaTost 6 years, 1 month ago

"We specifically said we needed some idea of policies and direction for how the winches will be used," County Commissioner Doug Monger said. Is this guy a re@#$%, it's a winch for havens sake it has a million uses. Any native coloradoian should know of or have used a winch at some point.

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Queenie 6 years, 1 month ago

dundalk: It's not micro-management. The BCC is SIMPLY asking Wall to follow protocol, just like every other county department and put the request in a standard written form PRIOR to the meeting so the BCC and others can prepare themselves prior to the conversation. This preparation ADDS to productivity as opposed to Wall's arrogance which is proven as he continues to believe and act that he doesn't have to follow the same rules as the rest of us. I don't believe anyone said it was a bad idea, Wall just needs to follow protocol. It's quite simple really. Do it right the first time.

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CoJustice 6 years, 1 month ago

I want to see a policy on this. How much is the County committed to paying citizens for vehicle damage? How will calls be prioritized for service?

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dundalk 6 years, 1 month ago

Queenie:

I did not say anything about micro management. I, for one, am pleased that I cast a vote for Diane Mitsch Busch. She has held Wall accountable for spending and budgetary issues.

While I do not discredit the use of winches, I feel that our law enforcement officers are not tow truck drivers. This is a large county, and if the S.O. begins pulling people out of ditches, what is going to happen if they receive life threatening calls, or officer needs asistance calls and are unable to promptly respond because they are in the middle of a winching?

I also want to know what 2 cases Wall is referring to where he thinks winches might have made a difference with regards to road fatalities.

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letomayo 6 years, 1 month ago

This is out and out stupid. For gods sake a winch should be something on all county and city police vehicles. We live out in the outback and there are so many times when pulling someone out of a ditch could help others who are driving by not having a bunch of vehicles parked all over a snowy road and people pushing and standing around. When you go off a road and a cop is there and can pull you out or you have to wait two hours for a tow truck alot can happen. The commissioners need a policy on how much money a leader of there force can spend before they need to ask the commissioneers for the money. Stupid waste of time by PAID officals and they get paid much more then city council who always takes &#$%^@ and the school board who gets no money takes %^#$&$_@ . Commisioners you are wasting money and time and you should give up some of your pay to buy winches then and quit being so stubborn.

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dundalk 6 years, 1 month ago

"Wall said, but also in life-or-death situations. For example, they could be used to lower someone down a cliff to administer first aid or to free people trapped beneath heavy objects. Wall thinks if the Sheriff's Office had winches last year, they might have prevented two deaths that occurred after traffic accidents."

Routt County Search and Rescue has a winch on their vehicle and they are the county entity called out to lower trained personnel on ropes to rescue people, as is also the SSFD.

Also, what specific accidents is Wall referring to when he said lives could have been saved with the assistance of a winch?

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stompk 6 years, 1 month ago

I like the idea.

A winch can be a life saver, and

police should be a part of that.

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ColoradoNative 6 years, 1 month ago

What is a human life worth?

I think this seems very reasonable. How many cars have gone off the road this winter? There are times that towing companies are simply overwhelmed and cannot respond fast enough.

Wall ole buddy I'll cut you some slack for the first time in awhile. I approve.

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CoJustice 6 years, 1 month ago

The Sheriffs department is not in the search and rescue business. I have never seen any information on liability costs of deputies operating equipment on civilian vehicles, training, etc. What about developing a policy of priority calls to citizens, maybe he should concentrate on the enforcement of law and not the service business.

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QuitYerWhining 6 years, 1 month ago

Just the fact that Wall even suggests lowering a rescuer with a winch tells me he has no clue what the potential dangers and liabilities are with using such a device. Are they going to train deputies on how and when to use this device or are they just gonna go for it like a bunch of cowboys! Wall has set back the department 50 years with his cowboy antics....jes git er done.

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Queenie 6 years, 1 month ago

dundalk: SORRY! I was referring to "another-local"

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Queenie 6 years, 1 month ago

letomayo: "seek first to understand" I believe maybe you are missing the forest for the trees....there is a much bigger picture here.

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id04sp 6 years, 1 month ago

I think that the RCSO should just stand there and direct traffic until the fire department and ambulance arrive. Who cares if people die? The county could get SUED! Don't you people realize what you're asking the commissioners to do? You're asking them to take a thoughtful action in anticipation of a perceived threat to human life. We didn't elect them to care about PEOPLE!

What if the RCSO saw somebody head down in a tree well, and hooked up the winch to pull them out, and ripped their legs off? What if the winch cable was stretched across the road, and an 18-wheeler came along and didn't see the cable, and ran into it, and twanged it, causing a vibration that led to an avalanche that buried the same victim they were trying to save? What if the Colorado State Patrol came along, and saw the deputies trying to help somebody, and thought they were drunk for trying to help somebody instead of "get them," and tried to give the deputies a breathalyzer test, but they didn't take it because they were busy trying to save somebody, and they lost their licenses and caused a bunch of bad publicity? What about that, huh?

I mean, good GOD! Our deputies already have to be POST certified. Do you want them go to tow truck driver school too?

This whole idea makes less sense than giving firemen the "jaws of life" to get people out of crushed automobiles, and fire extenguishers to put out fires. The County should not be in the business of getting people out of trouble that they caused for themselves. We need to save the tax dollars to build new offices for judges and fund buyouts for school superintendents, etc.

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Hadleyburg_Press 6 years, 1 month ago

If the sheriff were currently more popular would we really be debating the effectiveness of having winches available? My vote is to have the vehicles equiped with them where it makes sense and is fiscally budgeted for. A protocal should then be established as to when the winches could be deployed i.e. life saving including roadway obstructions. I would not use the winches in direct competion with tow truck companies unless they were overloaded and response time was such that it could endanger the stuck vehicles occupants.

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michyah 6 years, 1 month ago

Yes for winchs.The insurance clause only needs to be marked. Fee mostly very small. Routt County gouged us with taxes this year and some local unimportant groups have benefited in the hundreds of thousands$$. Why not buy something all can benefit from. These truly are lifesaving no brainer requests. If it fails through the commissioners again we all need to write or more importantly stop by in person. Items requested by law enforcement typically are for the betterment of the community as a whole.

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armchairqb 6 years, 1 month ago

Id- right on, I'm glad to see some people still have brains that work As my dad use to say ("use your head for something other than a hatrack") Notice that the majority of the blogs are concerned with liability? Proves that there are too many lawyers in the world!!!! I know doctors that won't stop at a scene because they aren't covered by the Good Samaritan Law. You'd think that the Deputies would be complaining about the increased workload without the pay to go with it.

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424now 6 years, 1 month ago

Having a winch on my vehicle, I highly reccomend them. It is a good idea. A police vehicle is an emergency vehicle. They are the designated first responders and need to be equiped as such.

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Queenie 6 years, 1 month ago

PEOPLE! The BCC does not disagree! The REAL issue here is that Wall did not follow procedure!!!! Once again, he thinks rules the rest of us follow don't apply to him. THAT is the issue!!! Don't bash the BCC for asking the "outlaw" sheriff to follow the rules.

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portagetheyampa 6 years, 1 month ago

The SO has gotten by for many years without winches. Search and Rescue and the towing companies can be called when needed. This is just one more fiasco on Wall's part to ooze money out of the taxpayers. What guarantee is there he will spend the money on the winches, anyway. This man can't be trusted to drive down the road sober, remember?

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michyah 6 years, 1 month ago

Queenie of BCC

Apologies.

You are right he should follow procedure in procurement/fund requests.

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another_local 6 years, 1 month ago

Colojustice, Yes, the Sherrif's dept is, in fact, in the search and rescue business. They are the only gov't entity that does this. "Search and Rescue" is a volunteer auxillary to.... the Sherriff's Dept.

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CoJustice 6 years, 1 month ago

Local: Possible the auxiliary can give up funding to the Sheriffs department, with Wall having snowmobiles and winches, sounds like no one needs an auxiliary.

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bandmama 6 years, 1 month ago

Just a thought, how much are the required harnesses and back boards and other equipment going to cast. Also, I have always been led to believe that the police, sherriff, highway patrol were only to administer first aid in a "life threatening" situation, that the paramedics and such were the ones to be moving the patient. Just wondering because if I happened to be in an accident, where that winch was needed, would I have to hold on to that old hook with my unbroken hand? OR who is going to secure my neck to prevent perm. paralysis? would every deputy be trained as an EMT?

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424now 6 years, 1 month ago

Jiminey Crickets!

Yes Wall was out of line, out of turn and should be out of a job!

As a former Paramedic I know that Police are trained in emergency first aid. An EMT has of couse a higher level of training and more equipment. I have arrived on site to find a living patient due to the training and equipment the first responder Police had on site.

The winch is a good idea unstall the request and slap Walls hand.

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QuitYerWhining 6 years, 1 month ago

1234

You need to grow up. You rag on West Routt Fire every chance you get. Sounds like sour grapes to me. Your probably one of those wanna be's who wants the status but doesnt want to put forth the effort and you either got booted off the squad or couldnt cut the mustard. Instead of dragging people down who self sacrifice for thier community to make yourself feel better about yourself why dont you expend some energy doing something productive. Get a life.

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1234 6 years, 1 month ago

this may be a bit off subject, but there is another public figure in the light. Brian Rickman! sure havent herd much of his deal. and why not? this paper can sure drag some young adults thru the mud! but it seems when it comes to some certain people it gets kept quiet. now whats up with that?

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ColoradoNative 6 years, 1 month ago

Well Gary's riding a horse and we're sliding off the freaking rode....Go Steamboat! Where the snow is deep!

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id04sp 6 years, 1 month ago

I really don't think you'd expect a RCSO deputy to strap somebody to a backbooard and winch them up to the road before EMTs arrived. However, a deputy might be able to hook up a cable and pull a vehicle off a victim that was underneath and in danger of burning, suffocating, or bleeding to death before the fire department arrived.

More likely, the RCSO vehicles could go into more inaccessible terrain and be able to winch themselves out if they get high-pointed on a snow bank, stuck in a ditch, etc. They might be able to do the same for a citizen instead of waiting around for an hour for a tow truck to arrive and spend 2 minutes to do the same job. I've done both of these things with a come-along and/or a tow strap, and it's no big deal. Sometimes all you need to do is hook up and give a little pull while the other vehicle drives out. Sometimes the tow is only necessary to keep the other vehicle from sliding back into the ditch.

Every person who is helped by a deputy is going to see the GOOD face of law enforcement that 99% of the young officers want to show us in the first place. It's pretty neat to see a cop, recognize each other, and give a wave with all FIVE fingers! This is the sort of thing that can help build a community in a small town like ours, and a ten-year old kid who watches a cop help his mom get the Cherokee out of a ditch on a snowy morning might just grow up to respect the cops AND the laws.

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s_jroutt 6 years, 1 month ago

County's going to be at a liability either way you look at it. One the SO's vehicles do not weigh enough to leagal by state standards to have a winch on them. This isn't the good ol boy days of go get your buddy unstuck out of the mud in his old chevy pick up and hook on where ever it feels solid. New cars today have certain places you have to hook to and special tools you have to use to do it. When one of the SO's hook onto someone's audi and rips the under carraige out from under it, who's going to pay for that? "Well mama we got you out of the ditch, but I don't think you can drive your car heres the number to AAA call a tow truck." Is the county going to send the couple of guys that have winches on their vehicles to trainning, going to cost a bundle for that one. I'm not saying they wouldn't come in handy in certain case's but the county better look at what there going to get themselves into. Thats why we have tow trucks in the county, I know "Wall's community service" b.s. County will be taking money out of the tow truck drivers pockets put them out of busness and when somebody does need a tow truck your going to wait about 4 hours for one to come over the hill.

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Benny 6 years, 1 month ago

ID: you talk about these winches forming better relationships between law enforcement and citizens. So, when Gary gets his winches and when somebody is slid off the road and calls 9-1-1 or even the non-emergency line requesting a tow from one of good ole' Gary's guys and they say, "Sorry, can't do that, but we'll call a tow company of your choice to come out.", then that somebody gets all upset because they don't have AAA or 300 bucks, then what kind of relationship do you think will be formed between the cops and the people?

Cops are not tow truck drivers and I'll bet everything I own that the above senario takes place more than one time. Hell, people already get pissed when they call for a cop to unlock their car and they're told that they need to call a locksmith.

How many more services can law enforcement provide to the citizens to form better relationships? Let's think about that because I'd rather have the SO deliver my Double ZZ than the staff at the Double ZZ because they charge me a delivery charge. Let's see what else......

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id04sp 6 years, 1 month ago

The guy in the Audi can probably afford to wait for the tow, and pay for it.

A casual look around on the street shows that many imported vehicles have tow hook points front and rear (which allows them to be quickly chained to the cargo deck, or to a pallet for hoisting). Any vehicle with a step bumper and a trailer hitch can be towed from the hitch point. If the RCSO vehicle starts to slide when they take tension on the tow cable, that would be a good time to stop and wait for a tow truck.

As for the training required, I think having the deputies pull a boat onto a trailer with a manual winch would just about do it.

As for liability issues, guess what? Any case filed against the RCSO or Routt County requires 6 months prior notice before the action can be filed in the County or District Court, and it would have to be in the Routt County courts. I can't see any of our judges allowing such a case to proceed except in a case of gross negligence. Also, it's going to cost at least $10,000 to prosecute a lawsuit. Auto insurance companies generally don't file a lawsuit to recover for small claims, because the cost of litigation is so high. It's cheaper in terms of business rules to simply pay the claim and move on.

Oh, and the RCSO could also have a standard release form for the driver to sign before any towing was attempted. Besides that, the deputies are reasonable people with reasonable intelligence and experience dealing with all these scenarios, and why not trust them with a winch if we trust them to carry a weapon?

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bloggyblog 6 years, 1 month ago

blog thinks our deputies are busy enough responding to idiots chasing injured moose and drunken pedestrians. they don't have time for idiots stuck in snowbanks cause they don't know how to drive. p.s. darwin is rolling over in his grave

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id04sp 6 years, 1 month ago

Benny,

You're right. It's a bad idea all around. Thank God somebody in this county still has good sense.

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Benny 6 years, 1 month ago

ID: I don't think that it's a "bad idea all around", however I think Gary is promoting this the wrong way. He is saying that these winches is his way of having the Sheriff's Office "help people, rather than get them."

The Sheriff's Office helps people everyday when they get criminals off of the street. That is the priority of Law Enforcement, to bust the bad guys. That doesn't mean they are out to get anyone. The way that Gary has promoted this campaign promise gives an assumption that the Sheriff's deputies will be available to pull people out of the ditch to "help them". Now he's opened the door for the phone calls that I mentioned before. Maybe that's why the Commissioners want a policy, because he can clarify that the winches will only be used in "public safety" type situations. Not for pulling every Sally Sobstory and Harry Hardluck out of the ditch.

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justathought 6 years, 1 month ago

I would like to see all of the incidents where having winches on patrol cars would have saved lives, say, in the last 10 years. It's more likely that what this boils down to is "Wall said the purchase of winches is part of his campaign promise", repeat, campaign promise, at the taxpayers expense. I have to believe there are better uses of a deputies time than playing tow truck driver.

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id04sp 6 years, 1 month ago

Benny,

Of course, you're right. Some people will always abuse it.

justa,

$1,900 for winches against $18,000,000 for a new office building for people who don't even work for the County. Which makes more sense?

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housepoor 6 years, 1 month ago

justa, wouldn't just one life in the past 10 justify it?

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Benny 6 years, 1 month ago

If Gary goes to the commissioners with requests, he needs to provide justification for those requests if he expects to get them. He could be more specific with his justification and lose the arrogant attitude that he continues to have with the commissioners. As the sheriff, he should maintain a positive working relationship with them, that is, if he expects to get what they can give him.

Yes, just one life in the past 10 years would be justification enough. He seems to think that he doesn't have to provide anything the commissioners ask for. The commissioners are doing their job when they are careful about handing out money. Why not just be better prepared when you go in front of them with your requests? He continues to waste their time, when this could have been dealt with on the first try.

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AmebaTost 6 years, 1 month ago

They should strip all the other safety equipment from the patrol cars as well. Maybe we could save some more money. These guys just need guns to shoot bad guys, they never help people, not. The lack of common sense in this town baffles me. Have any of you people been to the real world or do you just sell high priced artsy fartsy stuff to tourist. A winch is a piece of safety equipment used in emergencies. I hope some of you goofballs are in need of some winching help someday and kick your own a@% for these comments!

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shadow 6 years, 1 month ago

Hey, with winch Wall could pull himself out if gets stuck in a ditch.

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bandmama 6 years, 1 month ago

justathought, I agree, just how many lives would have been saved, had the equipment been available? s_jroutt-excellant point about the weight of the SO vehicles. Everyone, shouldn't we consider American Towing? those poor folks may have kids and families to support! If Gary has his way, there wont be anyone for AT to tow...... winches or wenches???????????? Hunterdog, great idea Alpines with winches! makes more sense......just how much would one tip the driver for a call like that? 10% just doesn't seem quite right.

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CoJustice 6 years, 1 month ago

I checked around a little to see if Wall could cut & paste someone else's policy on winches and towing. It appears no other Sheriffs offices are assuming the financial and legal responsibility for winching vehicles, they leave it up to the professionals.

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lyg 6 years, 1 month ago

1234- GOOD POINT! HEY BRENT- This has to be at least the fourth or fifth time I've read something about Rickman. Is he untouchable for you guys? There is even a whole catergory on West Routt Fire and still have not read anything about this in the papers. Is this a reverse watergate?

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Benny 6 years, 1 month ago

Yeah, I've been all over the state and have never seen any winches on patrol cars. Routt County would be a first. Gary would actually have to write his own policy on this one because there is no one to plagiarize. LOL.

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emmalee 6 years, 1 month ago

Wall may or may not be a nut job however he should follow protocol. In any case being pulled from death as you hang off an embankment sounds appealing to me as long as the person rescuing me is properly trained (AND not drunk or on drugs lol.)

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shadow 6 years, 1 month ago

sjroutt, you're right, tow companies are well run & regulated. Plus drivers are trained & their equipment is engineered for the job, their rigs are equipped with chocks and heavy enough to control the procedure and they're insured. Or would you rather have Gary Wall try pulling you out of the snowbank or get your vehicle off a family member with the handy-dandy winch on his Explorer with his brights on right after leaving happy hour?

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lyg 6 years, 1 month ago

Quityerwhining- I'm not sure who 1234 is, but as far as a wanna be, I am a IS NOW. As far as cutting the mustard, I have cut it, still cut it, and regularly eat mustard sandwiches. As far as other people who have questioned the none coverage of West Routt Fire chiefs charges filed against him, I know that at least two or three of them could be no more involved in the community unless they cloned themselves, but iguess in your opinion that that wouldn't be considered being productive. We have lives, productive community orientated lives. It just would be nice to do it for a community that was equally represented by the press, both bad and good. By the way with all your comments I would remember the comment, people in glass houses, ecspecially when you call someone a wanna- be.

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QuitYerWhining 6 years, 1 month ago

lyg:

Not sure why you feel compelled to defend yourself... I dont see any references to you or your mustard eating capabilities in my post. As 1234 would say "Now whats up with that?"

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fatpockets 6 years, 1 month ago

HAVE YOU EVER BEEN ON YOUR SIDE(LEANING IN YOUR VEHECLE READY TO TIP OVER) I'M AMAZED HOW MANY PEOPLE DRIVE PAST YA. CALLING A TOW TRUCK, ARE YOU CRAZY,FIRST OF ALL, MOST HAVE NO TRAINING, OR MINIMAL. AT BEST. MOST STINK LIKE ASHTRAYS OR DOGS,(THAT YOU GET THE PLEASURE OF SITTING NEXT TO.)THERE NOT REGULATED AT ALL,SO THEY CAN CHARGE YOU AS MUCH AS THEY WANT BASED ON THERE MOOD,TIME OF DAY,AMOUNT OF WORK IT TOOK, THEN DOUBLE OR TRIPLE THE CHARGE. NO THANKS, I'D RATHER WALK BAREFOOT. ALL FOR WINCHES......

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s_jroutt 6 years, 1 month ago

Fatpockets- your wrong about being regulated, state law. Look it up. IF you did your research tow companies will be fined for charging over all you have to turn them in to PUC because all of them have to have a PUC # and if they don't there illegal same as insurance. I do know which tow company you are refering to, so do something about it.

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fatpockets 6 years, 1 month ago

FUNNY, HAVE YOU EVER TRIED TO REACH P.U.C. STATE LAW MY EYE. IF THAT WAS THE CASE PARK WOULD HAVE BEEN IN JAIL A LONG TIME AGO,PUC IS JUST ANOTHER GOV.USELESS DEPT. PUC IS NOT REGULATING CHARGE RATES,THEY DON'T HAVE THE RESOURCES,SO PARK YOUR CAR UP AT COLUMBINE AND CALL FOR A TOW AND SEE WHAT YOUR CHARGED.

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fatpockets 6 years, 1 month ago

"P.S." A 4 HOUR WAIT COULD BE A MINIMUM AROUND HERE

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id04sp 6 years, 1 month ago

fatpockets is right about the PUC being useless. Everything works fine as long as the company is voluntarily compliant, but the ones who break the rules never face a penalty of any kind. The Secretary of State is the same way regarding corporate misconduct. Supreme Court is the same way regarding judicial misconduct. Department of Revenue is the same way regarding tax evasion -- they never take action until the IRS or some other body has taken action (like total failure to pay sales taxes). The State budget is so tight from TABOR that none of the agencies spend money on enforcement. If you are overcharged, your best option is to complain to the RCSO and hope they will investigate. They would not have done this under Warner, but maybe they would under Wall.

Tow trucks are heavy and powerful, which we can all easily observe as they blow by us going well over the speed limit just about every time they are seen. People who disregard the posted speed limits and endanger the rest of us in such a manner reveal a lot about their character. Why should a guy who never obeys the law any other time bother to do so when he's writing out the bill?

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s_jroutt 6 years, 1 month ago

id04sp- When State Patrol calls and says David 1 is requesting you now that usually means theres a body trapped under a vehicle might be dead might be alive- usually the worst. The fire department is not equiped to lift a vehicle off a body, and they won't in most case's. We don't have a move over law in Colorado. You give a customer an ETA might be AAA might be State Patrol if your not there when you tell them they start calling wanting to know where your at, so while there sitting behind you going down the road trying to get around you you have to explain that traffic is bad. Tow trucks do not run with thier lights on because they're not premited to, until on scene which makes no difference to the public you just in the way to them. Same as the fire dept. been on many of scenes that the human race is a bunch of moron's. Flashing lights don't mean anything to a lot of people. I'm not saying that PUC is the way to go but at least they have record of it, and the someone has made a complaint aginst that PUC #. You can look up violations against any PUC # and you'll find that A.T. has quite a few. The S.O. won't use them just so many reasons that I don't know were to start. He should never even be allowed on one of CSP's scene just for the attempt on an officers life. What I am saying is that there are a couple of tow companies that do abid by the law in fear of getting fined, they are being honest, which Parks screws them for because he does what he does and gets away with it.

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OnTheBusGus 6 years, 1 month ago

lyg and 1234, The story that you have been waiting ever so long for the paper to report is here:

Must have been all request news day.

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1234 6 years, 1 month ago

lyg, thanks for your comments. you do not know how right you are! and again thanks for the support of the second remark, from quiterwhinning, it seems clear, that quiterwhinning, is on the same side as the people that want to hide the real bad things that go on.

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1234 6 years, 1 month ago

and as far as you quiterwhinning,,, you have no CLUE to who i am . so you need to do more homework, or keep your mouth shut !

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TwinsViewer 5 years, 11 months ago

Why not u-bolts and tow ropes? Since the vehicles are already 4WD those items are cost effective and most likely not an expense that Commissioners would have to approve. Oh but wait, that would mean that someone would have to do some physical labor to attach it. My bad.

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