Triple Crown Sports wants to use the baseball fields at Emerald Park in Steamboat Springs for its summer tournaments.

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Triple Crown Sports wants to use the baseball fields at Emerald Park in Steamboat Springs for its summer tournaments.

City considers Triple Crown extension

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— Triple Crown Sports wants to use the playing fields at Steamboat Springs' Emerald Park as part of its proposed two-year contract extension with the city.

Historically, Triple Crown Sports has used baseball fields at Howelsen Hill and Strawberry Park Elementary School as well as facilities in Hayden, Craig and Yampa, according to Chris Wilson, director of Steamboat Springs Parks, Open Space and Recreational Services Department. In extending its contract with the city through 2010, Triple Crown is seeking to use the fields at Emerald Park for the first time, he said.

Triple Crown Sports is a Fort Collins-based business that organizes youth and adult baseball and softball tournaments. The summer tournaments typically bring teams from across the country to Steamboat Springs for a two-month period every summer.

The Parks and Recreation Commission will be the first city government body to consider the contract extension when it meets tonight, Wilson said.

The community's invited if they want to come and participate in that public process, Wilson said.

Triple Crown officials want to use the Emerald Park fields four days a week during their World Series baseball and softball tournaments. Games would not take place on Thursdays because of Music on the Green, and Triple Crown usage would be limited from 8 a.m. to 2 p.m. so as not to interfere with existing local programs such as Little League, Wilson said.

Triple Crown founder and president Dave King could not be reached for comment Tuesday.

The Triple Crown World Series, scheduled for July 21 to Aug. 9, typically brings about 125 baseball and softball teams to the Yampa Valley every week, Steamboat Springs Chamber Resort Association Executive Vice President Sandy Evans Hall said. Between players, coaches and families, each team brings about 40 people to town, she said.

"It's such a huge event - we're very fortunate to have it," Evans Hall said. "It brings in family, it brings in youth, it brings in the people that we really market to as a community."

The annual event is estimated to bring $10 million in sales to the community - and $500,000 in sales tax revenue for the city of Steamboat Springs alone, Evans Hall said.

Northwest Colorado Sports Complex

While discussion about constructing a regional Northwest Colorado Sports Complex near Hayden still is ongoing, Triple Crown has requested a contract extension shorter than the three- to five-year contracts the city has historically signed, Wilson said.

Construction of the sports complex is a long-term solution for Triple Crown, with the current extension on the table just a bridge to get to that point, Evans Hall said. Triple Crown officials have threatened to stop bringing their tournaments to Northwest Colorado if better facilities aren't provided.

"While they're working on that process, they're asking to extend for the two years so they can continue to be here in Steamboat," Wilson said.

"We'd like to keep them here," Evans Hall said. "The money that is spent in the community for food and lodging, and all the activities - that would be very difficult for the community to replace."

The proposed site for the $9.6 million sports complex, which could house 14 fields or more, is adjacent to the Villages at Hayden subdivision on the south side of town. The developers plan to bring an annexation proposal to Hayden's town government in the next few months, Evans Hall said.

"It's tough because we know (Triple Crown's) business plan is to grow and be able to compete with other tournament producers," she said. "We'd like to provide them that capacity here in our community."

To reach Melinda Dudley, call 871-4203 or e-mail mdudley@steamboatpilot.com

Comments

Rich Hall 6 years, 6 months ago

If Triple Crown gains access to Emerald Fields, our local kids will never again be able to ride their bikes to the park to practice baseball. I know that they need fields, but no, no, no to Emerald Fields. They belong to our local youth. They are not for sale!

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summerbird 6 years, 6 months ago

What a conundrum, "MONEY, MONEY, MONEY" vs. quaint, cute, dare I say pristine Steamboat Springs. Reminds me of a James Thurber cartoon; scene: cocktail party, sweet young thing saying to a man: "I want to be a femme fatale, but I don't want to get mixed up with men." Well, good luck!

I am afraid Steamboat has already gone down that primrose path! Come up with better solutions to generate summer tourism (money) or quit complaining.

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elkeye 6 years, 6 months ago

Triple Crown Sports should be shown the door out of town!

It is time that the whole question of Triple Crown Sports be put to a vote of the citizens of the City of Steamboat Springs.

Neither the Steamboat Springs Chamber Resort Association not its Executive Vice President Sandy Evans Hall speak for the citizens of the City.

"We'd (the Steamboat Springs Chamber Resort Association) like to provide them that capacity here in our community."

If so, the Steamboat Springs Chamber Resort Association should be prepared to pay the cost of the $9.6 million Triple Crown Sports complex proposed in Hayden (as well as the annual operational costs thereof).

Triple Crown officials have threatened to stop bringing their tournaments to Northwest Colorado if better facilities aren't provided. Perfect...they can take their "ball and bat" and go far, far away!

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elk2 6 years, 6 months ago

How about Triple Crown show their appreciation to their own community and hold the events in Fort Collins. Great town, easily accessible,great ball facilities. TAKE TRIPLE CROWN TO FORT COLLINS. or Give some other community a chance to ENJOY them.

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OnTheBusGus 6 years, 6 months ago

The Chamber is paying for Triple Crown. Looks to be about $75,000 but I'm not sure if this is every year. http://www.steamboatpilot.com/news/20...

I do hate the congestion that the Triple Crown people create but it is true, summer is busier. Although with the new subculture of tourism that we call construction it is now too busy. Last summer was a traffic nightmare! Can we put Triple Crown on hold until we have finished the "renaissance" of Steamboat?

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notmybus 6 years, 6 months ago

Triple Crown Sports is a Fort Collins-based business - they must be making money if they are a business.

(Triple Crown's) business plan is to grow and be able to compete with other tournament producers - this should make things easy, if Tripple Crown Sports wants to stay they a business should foot thier own bill and build a complex and leave the city out of it.

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addlip2U 6 years, 6 months ago

"We'd like to keep them here," Evans Hall said.

Speak for yourself Evans Hall. Us residents are tired of the Triple Crown Invasion.

Steamboat Springs Chamber Resort Association Executive Vice President Sandy Evans Hall and her staff are too lazy to seek other, more profitable venues and participants to market Steamboat to.

We - Steamboat, deserve visitors that appreciate the beauty of the nature the wonderful valley ,town and its friendly citizens offer. The trash, traffic, noise, nature destruction and disrespect to the residents the attendees of the Triple Crown invasion bring is no longer welcomed.

Get rid of the Triple Crown "tourists" that roll into town with SUV's and trucks full of coolers and boxes of food. They bring their own supplies to avoid shopping even in grocery stores. The amount of money they spent is insignificant and in disproportion to the amount of destruction, pollution and noise they cause.

Dear Chamber, get of your seat, do your diligence and market Steamboat to those that appreciate it. Two years ago you whined that you did not have time to promote Steamboat. You have already had two years extension.
NO more Triple Crowners - we do not welcome them any more.

Evans Hall please represent the majority residence of Steamboat, not your personal interest. Review the surveys - majority of residents do not want this kind of venue and visitors here.

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spukomy 6 years, 6 months ago

Easy addlip, Are you really speaking for all residents? I'm sure that the tourists shop in our grocery, and other, stores. Just a guess, do you live in Meadowlark or The Rockies?

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Matthew Stoddard 6 years, 6 months ago

If they leave, summer tax revenue goes in the dumper for a while. Look at Labor Day. Still not bringing the money it used to yet, and it's been a decade.

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spukomy 6 years, 6 months ago

Kielbasa, I still miss the Vintage Car Races.

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blackthroatedwind 6 years, 6 months ago

Bring back the cars, and the vintage bike races!!!!!

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another_local 6 years, 6 months ago

addlip, you are the one that needs to speak for yourself. your view is not the view of all residents.

Triple crown business provides about 300-400 40 hour per week jobs for the approx 10 weeks they are here during the summer. In a community our size that is a lot of jobs. (500K sales tax = ~11M sales, 11M sales = ~ 2.2M wages, 2.2 million wages / 10 weeks = 220K per week, 220K per week / ~$14.5 hour = ~15,000 hours per week, 15,000 hours / 40 = 375 full time summer jobs) I promise you that businesses will find ways to save the labor cost if the business is gone.

Have any of you ever gone by the fields at 10AM on a week day? There is nobody there, nobody practicing. Using these fields from 8AM to 2PM on those four days does not interfere with ANY local event or activity. All the local kids programs are from 4PM on and on weekends. The proposed schedule does not require relocating or rescheduling ANY existing program.

Additionally, Triple Crown does pay for fields. They contribute to maintainance costs directly. Also, the sales taxes paid by the teams when there are in town amount to perhaps 500K per year.

Were any of you naysayers around in the 70s? Do you remember what summer was like for the employees in the valley? Don't be so quick to write off local jobs! Yes, the car races were fun, but they never contributed even 10% of what Triple Crown does to the local economy.

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elk2 6 years, 6 months ago

Local, many of us were here in the 70's and remember the sweet sigh of relief when town finally calmed down after ski season was over. Although ski season didn't bring near the crowds it does today. I find Triple Crown and the Testosterone driven people it brings here to be particularly invasive. How about the powers that be consider other options. How about they ask full time residents for suggestions. Many other resort communities enjoy a profitable and successful spring,summer,fall without Triple Crown.

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Token 6 years, 6 months ago

If these people were thoughtful, respectful "good family folks" like Sandy E says they are, there would be no debate. Nobody is arguing about sending skiers packing.

It doesnt matter if you live where they rent; they are awful at the stores, on the roads, on the trails and in town.

I've seen rocks thrown on mtn bikers, I've seen spitting and throwing things off balconies, and I've watched parents drinking too many PBR's behaving badly right along with children that don't hold a candle to the good kids of Steamboat.

All I'm saying is this: we all know we need tourism dollars....but at what cost? Where do we draw the line? If you ask me, this is the real Steamboat sell out.

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elk2 6 years, 6 months ago

Token, You forgot to mention having to sidestep the vomit on Lincoln Ave. and the bike path left by Triple Crown revelers. I always enjoy that.

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Token 6 years, 6 months ago

The Triple Crown organization is where the disrespect for our community BEGINS. I've made 2 calls in past years over bad behaviour in a lodging facility - this can get teams ejected - and never even received the dignity of a returned phone call. If Triple Crown enforced their OWN behaviour rules, they might just foster some appreciation and respect among teams. But they don't. No one has ever demanded these people act better.

The Chamber is not lazy, this is just something thats been in place for a long time and these folks' behaviour has deteriorated. Its time to seek the dollars of new tourism ~ and there are lots out there, its just very difficult work.

I for one would be HAPPY to step up and assist seeking replacements for these bozos.

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Matthew Stoddard 6 years, 6 months ago

Elk2- and some of us here even in the 80's remember saying, "Where are all the jobs after the winter so I can eat and pay rent?" Back in the 70's-80's, tax revenue also came from City based property taxes, along with sales tax. Can't do that now since there aren't any City property taxes. Triple Crown goes away, where is all that tax revenue going to come from?

Do you have a way to make that money up with an immediate TC withdrawal? While I'm not a fan of TC, overall, it's my (and other people's) bread and butter in this town. With what Token has personally witnessed, I've seen it in the winter, I've seen it in the summer, I've seen it from locals. It's not limited to just ball players.

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Token 6 years, 6 months ago

Your right kiel, its such a "double-edge sword" with no easy answers..

And your right, there are touchs of that behaviour in every group, the problem with TC is the magnitude of it....

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watersnakeden1975 6 years, 6 months ago

Bussiness and the peolpe that work in Steamboat should be happy to have triple crown and the money they bring in to the community. I worked for Blimpie and if it had not been for Triple crown we would have had to let workers go. Yes they are unruly but does anyone remember when Hells Angels came to town and tore up the Iron horse and shot people, thats unruly. These triple crown teams are all about fun and fun gets unruly sometimes when you have 1000 kids together but hey they didnt shot anybody and they bring alot of dough. I like living in steamboat and those guys coming here helps me pay to continue to do that. We need more events like this. I really miss having the old auto race cars come though town. We should have done more to keep them. This Triple crown extension is good for the people who live and work in this town. for those of you who just live here i can see why you wouldnt like triple crown, but you just own a second home here dont you so when Triple Crown comes to town why not take your rich self on vacation to one of your other homes. Triple Crown is good for the people who own and work in bussineses in Steamboat.

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Token 6 years, 6 months ago

Wow, thats a great idea. As soon as I get rich, I'll do that.

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elkeye 6 years, 6 months ago

Kielbasa _ no one is talking about an immediate TC withdrawal, you have been on notice for more that a year that Triple Crown Sports has worn out its welcome.

What has "your" Steamboat Springs Chamber Resort Association done in the last year or so to prepare for the withdrawal of Triple Crown Sports?

The Triple Crown Sports Complex in Hayden is not going to happen.

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sportzmama 6 years, 6 months ago

WOW everyone! To be honest I first came to Steamboat as a Triple Crown athlete and have continued to come to Steamboat for the last 15 years mostly because of Triple Crown and oh yes, sit down, NOT because of skiing!!! I now live here full time and let me tell you Triple Crown brings a lot of money into this town in the summer. I realize there are some rowdy people that come along with Softball especially, but hey, the same crap happens in the winter with out of town folks that come to ski. After all, the property that was destroyed last Spring was not the result of Triple Crown, it was the result of young people up here to work/ski. I've seen some aweful behavior from out of town folks at grocery stores etc. this winter and that's obviously not Triple Crown. You people crack me up! Triple Crown also holds tournaments in Fort Collins, Loveland, Denver, Aurora, Colorado Springs, and Puerto Vallarta Mexico, just to name a few locations. They are a wonderful corporation and I happen to know Dave King personally and have the highest regard for him and his organization. They continue to evolve their programs to ensure the host city is treated with nothing but respect. I would think Steamboat would welcome all the families that come here in the summer, much the same way they welcome families that come in the winter to ski.

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Matthew Stoddard 6 years, 6 months ago

Elkeye- We're now a decade past the Vintage Auto races and we still aren't up to the equivalent tax revenue % with what replaced it. Did you think 1 year was going to be enough to bring the equivalent TC revenue to not only our tax coffers but to any business open in Steamboat that they frequent?

Being in the business, I have less and less problems with TC in units each passing year. Can't speak for all businesses; just what I'm experiencing with them.

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blahblahblah 6 years, 6 months ago

Please, Triple Crowners are no different than any other bunch of tourists that come to town. I for one, welcome them. They bring a lot of dough and a lot of potential for future dollars. The kids that come here with their folks will want to come back as adults, I can almost guarantee you that. I'm sick of "locals" whining about the Triple Crown event in town. The sense of entitlement to people that live here is mind-boggling. If you're really worried about the pollution and rudeness, then confront it. It is amazing how some of us react when it gets just a little uncomfortable here in paradise.

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Newcomer 6 years, 6 months ago

I do not know about the grocery stores, but have you ever stopped into Subway, McDonalds, Wendy's, or any other fast food place during Triple Crown Time? The line is huge most of the time. Those may not be "local" businesses, but they are certainly generating tax revenue.

Also, I assume these people are sleeping somewhere? So that means hotel rooms are being paid for.

Seems to me that they are generating revenue.

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elk2 6 years, 6 months ago

Matt, I remember the70's and 80's and friends leaving in droves to find work in Calif or east coast. Times have changed. Now there are not enough workers to go around. The wealthy aren't going to stop building, and that is who is primarily moving here today. I worked two and three jobs just as my friends did. We were young with lots of energy. We were also smart enough to realize what a special place Routt Co. was. We did what we had to to survive. Steamobat will not fall off the face of the earth without THE KING FAMILY and Triple Crown.

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housepoor 6 years, 6 months ago

With the City being sales tax bases(for now) we need triple crown. How many of those condos would sit empty if not for triple crown? Having those condos filled keep the service industry employed year round:.that wasn't always the case.......Come on this is a resort town and it goes with the territory. STOP THE BRUTAL WHINING!!!!!

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letomayo 6 years, 6 months ago

If the city gets rid of the TC like kielbasa says and I agree the city is just putting another thing out of our town without bringing anything in to replace it. In the 80's everyone was saying we needed more summer things to make our town successful and then we got rid of vintage races and the balloon festival was awful this year and the ski mountian has nothing and the strings doesn't bring people in and the rodeo is a bunch of cowbys who probably don't spend much and who goes to the rodeo anyway but probably the TC people who are playing.

You thinnk town is bad now with TC wait until there is a long summer and only a few people roaming the streets like the old days. Maybe the city is counting on rich shops downtown in these new buildings to have businesses that will attract rich people to keep families and lowlifes like myself out of here and still bring in enough money to support our town's desires and needs.

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Scott Wedel 6 years, 6 months ago

I note that on one hand there is this huge problem of a lack of affordable housing and on the other hand there is the argument that Triple Crown brings in jobs.

It might be time to ask whether it is time to cool down the local economy a bit by declining to bring back events such as Triple Crown.

With the increase in commercail/retail space, base area redevelopment, Wildhorse and the 700 annexation, all of which have deep pocket financial backing, there is every indication that the local economy will continue to be strong and affordable housing will remain a big issue. So exactly why are the jobs brought by Triple Crown important or needed?

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424now 6 years, 6 months ago

This thread strike a cord in me. I hear....

"I would like a piece of cake and I intend to eat it too."

"The ski tourism, triple crown and rodeo are destoying our way of life."

I heard a similar gripe while on a field exercises in Germany in the eighties. Every time I returned to Germany, I drove past idealic fields and forests that looked primevil. They called us the ugly Americans. It was the first time I heard that phrase. We always set up our field hospital inside an abandoned china factory, in a little town called Nuberg. We dumped five years of revenue into that little berg over a three month period once a year for decades. We also trashed every field we set up in. We invaded Munich like it was spring break. Everytime we left there were duce ruts and tank trails cris-crossing the landscape. The devastation we wrought was total. We were the bull, Nubaugh and Viden were our china shop. I do not exagerate.

The Germans learned quickly though. I stood with one of my men as he faced the charge of running over a chicken as we passed through town. The owner of the unlucky bird insisted the man pay for the chicken and every possible offspring it would produce for the next 3 years. We gave that burgermiester 650.00 1985 US dollars for that bird to avoid further dispute.

In Munich the politzie were famous for their short temper with errant men in town. We used to say they carry an automatic nightstick. As a result we were on our best behavior. Those who transgressed were dealt with in the hashest manner. Carreers were ended over disputes in town. I am not suggesting we bring that kind of policing here to Steamboat. I am suggesting that there can be a middle ground.

We brought these events into this town. We do not have to let them run roughshot over us. It is a measure of recognition when these tourist corporations come knocking on our door. At some point some one asked Disney if they might not want to come to Olando. We want more housing, we want a bypass, we want a home depot. Thats not going to happen unless we grow. Events like the triple crown are a part of that growth. Left to their own devices the orginizers of these events will maximize their profits regardless of impact on us in the communitie.

How do you hold on to the Steamboat Springs of yesterday?

You Don't. You grow with the city. You do that and you adapt to an ever changing way of life for this valley and that mountain. However, you can have a say in this inevetable change.

Name your gripe with any of these events. Discuss it with your friends. Find a group that agrees with your gripe. Take it to city hall.

Every time I returned to Germany, I drove past idealic fields and forests that looked primevil.

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424now 6 years, 6 months ago

Correction: The Glass factory was in "Nubaugh"

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tobeunknown 6 years, 6 months ago

I personally say get rid of tc, and take the money they want to spend on a new faculty for them too play on, in Hayden and use it too repair and fix up the rodeo grounds so we can use it all yr round. Plus, that brings a lot more money in during the summer than tc, at least almost everyone wants too go see the rodeo every summer. Another thing they should do is bring back the cutting horse competition, that in it self brought in a lot of revenue, was one of the best summer things they had for yrs and the balloon festival was fun, till this last yr. And i know what you all are saying about tc's attitude, I had a dose of it myself, almost all of them are quite stingy, rude and can be way out of control, theres only a select few that actually are nice too have around.

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Brian Smith 6 years, 6 months ago

Raver,

The local Little League has already determined that the 3C will NOT interfere with local Little League activities if the City approves the extension. 3C games will be played during the day, Local LL games and practices are in the evening. Matter of fact, they will also help the local Little League with new equipment, as well as field improvements over the next two years for being able to use the fields. LookHi, Obviously, tourism doesn't effect your lifestyle, for instance if the Ski Area closed, you would be fine, your job doesn't rely on tourism. Nice. My job does not rely on it either, but I do know, if we didn't have tourism here, 90% of us would never have been here in the first place, that is unless you had a huge desire to be a rancher, and you moved here for that. I think if any of us think we can start shutting the door on tourism and still keep the lifestyle we enjoy here in Steamboat, we may be in for a surprise. If you really think it is getting bad enough around here and can not accept the change, move away, that is what I did in 2000. What I found was that, even with all of the change, Steamboat is a much better place to live than most places I have visited or lived. I am back now, and really have a better appreciation for Steamboat, and the fact, that good things do change. My choice is to roll with it, not be mad and fight it every step of the way.

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oofcboy 6 years, 6 months ago

What you guys dont understand the kids come to town as a team or gang and they get into trouble as a team,where as rodeo or cars shows are one person or a family not 18 kids who know each other. In groups they feel a little more comfortable and more apt to do crazy stuff, like through firewood in the pool at scandi. lodge or lawn furniture. seen them ,parents dont care they just want them to play good ball

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elk2 6 years, 6 months ago

Wow, 424Now, very well said. We can't go back, however we can expect more from Triple Crown. They need to show us some gratitude and appreciation for turning our town over to them. Chamber, stop rolling over and work for your community to negotiate some of the badly needed improvements. 424, really, a great perspective!!!

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addlip2U 6 years, 6 months ago

Triple Crown Sports IS a business. Why would not any other business ask a city to build them facilities/building or ask for a free infrastructure?

Who is next? C'mon Chamber, why don't we built a shopping center, hotels, gas stations for any company /corporation just because they want to be located in Steamboat?

If business wants to be located and operate here, they have to put up the financial resources.

Triple Crown does not deserve a special treatment, especially when majority of the citizens of Steamboat would rather not have them return, ever.

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bocal 6 years, 6 months ago

Triple Crown has grown up with Steamboat and the Boat has grown up with Triple Crown. There are many comments saying that TC is ruining town. If you want to see what a town looks like that shuts out economic development, drive 1.5 hrs west to Meekerville. They don't allow any action in town (of course they don't have a Ski Hill either.) The point is, Triple Crown has been the catalyst for year-round expansion and the reason that many people are aware of this town 3 hrs from the Denver.

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elkeye 6 years, 6 months ago

I submit it's time for a new attitude with Triple Crown Sports..."In your Face".

Rather than being a warm and friendly people, the residents of Steamboat Springs should simply treat Triple Crown employees, teams, coaches and parents with the same disrespect they show us.

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sportzmama 6 years, 6 months ago

You all are acting like Triple Crown is the anti Christ or something. That "business" brings in a ton of sales tax revenue to our fair city. As far as the description of teams acting like wild dogs or something of that nature - I have to disagree. You are categorizing an entire group of people based on the actions of a few. Have you not seen what winter tourists do to our town? It's just as bad or worse AND I find the winter tourists to be extremely pushy rude people. They've spent quite a bit of money to come to our town to ski, eat and recreate, so some obviously feel they have some sort of right to be pushy. Not all, but a few just as in the summer. Have you ever gone to City Market and been pushed around - literally - by folks waiting for their shuttles? They are a rude bunch of people!

That being said, this is a tourist destination and that's just going to happen, like it or not. Triple Crown has not brought the worst of the worst to this town. They've brought families who use the gondola, the swimming pool & slides, the inter tubes, the restaurants and movie theaters among other things. They come here in the summer, spend money, love it and I venture to guess many come back in the winter to ski, and holy cow batman, some may even love it so much they decide to make it their home!

If we're going to run Triple Crown out of town, we should run all businesses out of town that cater to folks that don't live here right?

I realize many of you long time residents don't like how your small town is evolving, but that's just the nature of the beast. You will never get the small quaint town back that you had 20 years ago.

Also something to remember is that for every dollar all the tourists spend in this town, 1/2 cent of the sales tax goes towards the Education Fund which has allowed our schools to function at a level that most schools in communities this size aren't able to function at. DO NOT BE SO QUICK TO DISMISS THOSE WHO BRING VALUABLE DOLLARS INTO THIS TOWN.

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ijustlookhi 6 years, 6 months ago

sportsmama,

you have the typical shallow reasoning of a typical Triple Clowner...it is all about money...gimme a break.

I say do something to help these clowners respect our community. I have lived here a long time and understand tourists are important to our economy...that doesn't mean we should not expect them to respect this place...I am sorry but the collective IQ and respect towards SBS from this group from my direct observation over the years is minimal and I get sick of experiencing it in my home town regardless of the $$$.

Sportsmama I don't agree with your reasoning at all...

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bocal 6 years, 6 months ago

ijustlookhi, you probably are high. Obviously, you're stuffed in some dark basement finding time to complain about everything that doesn't suite your lifestyle. Sportsmama is right when saying that Triple Crown brings big tax revenue and decent people. Go to the Tugboat this Friday night and see what your sweet, innocent Skiers are doing to this town: getting drunk, fighting, puking and crapping on the free bus... But they're SPENDING MONEY and keeping people alive! Wow, what a concept! Get used to it lookhigh because if you don't, you can always move to Maybell where the Maybury's will shine your shoes and you can stroll along main street with your eyes closed whistling "What a day for a daydream".

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sportzmama 6 years, 6 months ago

bocal: Thank you for your comments. I could care less if folks think my reasoning is shallow. I AM NOT a Steamboat "Lifer" I only recently moved here after 14 years of vacationing here for 10 day/yr during..... ummmmmm Triple Crown tournaments. My kids have grown up with the Steamboat 4th of July traditions, so I've seen the program grow and flourish and evolve over that period of time.

I was at Old Towne Pub last evening for dinner with friends and there were no Triple Crown people there, but there were plenty of people there having a great time, drinking, getting loud, enjoying their time in "The Boat", and oh ya, most still had their ski gear on from their day on the mtn. Hooray for them!

I lived in Juneau Alaska for 15 years and we saw the same things and felt the same growing pains, so even though I'm not a Steamboat Lifer, I do understand the mechanics of a tourist destination and what locals have to put up with in order to generate income to sustain the community.

ijustlookhi: Thank you for your comments, it's ok to not agree with me. We live in America and we - thank god - have the right to our opinions.

I wish for everyone that things "could stay the way they were", but that just isn't going to happen, so you might as well get used to it and thank all those tourists, both summer and winter for spending their $$ here and in part improving our schools.

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dave reynolds 6 years, 6 months ago

I've had bad experiences with both but to be honest look at the CMC students you often read in the paper about minors in possesion of alchol or drugs and lets not forget Mr. Johnson..i have found that most TC people are friendly ,curtious, and respectful..unlike some so called locals who have recently moved here..I have lived here in the late 70's,80's and 90's..etc..back then TC was welcome..my vote is keep them around its revenue and don't judge an entire group by the action of a few..theres alway the option of selling and moving to say idaho or Montana its cheap they have ski areas and no Triple Crown

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fmrstudentlxa 6 years, 6 months ago

We can complain or argue all the points til we are blue in the face. As a summer camp counselor whose camp is based out of Howelsen Hill it drives me nuts. for the second job that I work I could care less. Triple Crown seems to be here to stay at least for two more years. Instead of waiting till a decision is made and then complaining about it make your concerns know months before. Or even easier just get over it and move on...stop wasting time worrying about stuff that you cant control

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ijustlookhi 6 years, 6 months ago

sorry not much time to post but hey...why don't we just invite the hells angels back to town...they spent a lot of money or the rainbow coalition they spent money...and ok triple clowners can spend money too would you please help them respect our home a bit more...nothing makes me angrier than someone jumping on me and not reading and comprehending...

by your reasoning...$$$.... lets invite them all in as long as they can spend money...gee what a concept...not everyone in this town makes a living from or cares about the tourist industry and is willing to forsake the community for making money....if you want to whore out our town for $$$ take a look at a few other towns that have that just whore out the town so businesses can thrive...after the town is trashed and no longer resembles anything anyone would want to visit... gee what a concept we f'ed up a great place...but hey we made a few bucks...gee what a concept...

bocal your writings are very shallow, very shallow and thanks for attacking me...I bet your republican and probably make $$$ whoring out my town.

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ijustlookhi 6 years, 6 months ago

bocal, I read a few more of your posts...dude your scared aren't you?...do you run the hot dog conecession at Howlesen during Clowner conventions?

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colowoodsman 6 years, 6 months ago

So it is all about who spends the most money? That is what SS has come to, isn't it? Visitors are welcome as long as they have lots of cash to spend and it doesn't matter how they behave or what effect they have on the rest (non-tourism) part of the community. And the tourism people are proud of this? They want more jet flights, more amenities, more, more, more for touists while local workers stuggle for affordable housing. Where does it end? Who is really running the show? I think it is time to 'reign in' runaway tourism and work toward a more diverse economy.

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ijustlookhi 6 years, 6 months ago

Pt22 don't have the time and I don't feel like you get the jist of what I am saying...its not about "lost tax revenue"

I am spacing ...what is the name of the gateway town to Rocky Mountain National Park??

Lets make Steamboat like that! I bet they have a lot of of tax revenue...but at what cost of a liveable mountain town.

Some people do enjoying living here w/out being consumed with...how can we generate more tourist revenue??!!! What resources and amenities can we drain and abuse so we can make more $$$...It makes me sick.

Move back to Texas and open an amusement park if your just worried about generating tourist $$$$.

I have respect for this place...not jimbob's right to throw his trash around the Yampa River...or your right to make money from him buying your ice cream...

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raver 6 years, 6 months ago

i think a lot of you are missing the point. this isnt about triple crown staying or going, its about the fields built for local use. triple crown takes over all the baseball fields in town, as well as fields at the high school, middle school, and others. LEAVE EMERALD FOR LOCAL KIDS!. if triple crown is allowed to use these fields, where is steamboat little league gonna go? oh and think about those people who want to use the other fields of emerald, or the botanical gardens. the parking will be insane in the emerald lot, it already is when little league plays and those parents don't bring RVs, and the one road leading there will be hell. please we give up enough to triple crown, cant we leave the fields for locals? please.

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ijustlookhi 6 years, 6 months ago

pt22--- right got it...run people outta town because you know how to whore out a paradise for money, and if we can't keep up with the whores and the people and place users... leave....it's the american way....got it.

I hope your proud of what you worked your asses of for trashing...you people use a community for your own financial gain...not the good of the community...don't gimme that BS.

Your just like Les Otten and now Intrawest...you don't care about Steamboat, you care about how Steamboat can make you money.

we can trash the place and justify it because we need to make money...its what we americans do.

I am doing what I can to help this place remain soulful, peaceful, sane and fun. I am not going to do research for you on the internet tonight...

I do not want to see Steamboat become just like any crappy tourist destination USA. I guess my idea of a great place to live is different than yours.

Just please go easy on this place...we've been trashing her for a while now.

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ijustlookhi 6 years, 6 months ago

My thing is let's try to be sane about it and not have all these people who moved here in the last 5 years tell us to back off that we are going to have a GAP, Applebee's, Home Depot, More Triple Crown, More Tubers, more more more, just accept the change....

not everyone wants more more more and I don't want to back off and just accept SBS becoming another crappy monotonous destination USA...

the Ski area is half the fun it used to be... Get this... a lot of people moved here to be in a mellow little mountain town.... yes it now seems like a fight....sane people who moved here for what Steamboat was VS new people who moved here because they saw opportunity to make it like everywhere USA...and no I don't want to just move away as people suggest ...those who want to trash the place and make it like "back home"...ugh.

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Brian Smith 6 years, 6 months ago

Look Hi,

I understand your point of view, and I don't want it to be crazy either. 3C is asking for 14 days that will not interfere with our Local LL. This may just buy some time to see if the Sports Complex near Hayden will ever happen...If 3C pulls out because they don't have enough fields, my understanding from the Parks and Rec meeting on Wednesday is that SS and local business's will lose millions of dollars, which some how filters back to our taxes being more affordable than most places, nice things to do in the summer like the free concerts, nice parks and trails etc. It is a tricky balance that needs to be maintained...

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addlip2U 6 years, 6 months ago

sportzmamma:

Triple Crown is NOT the anti Christ it is a PLAGUE!!!

Those fields were intended for OUR Steamboat children. When do you think they will be able to get to play and practice, even if not organized team sport, on them. Only on a scheduled date and time?

Gee, what a concept you have: as long as we make money of "them" , it is OK to destroy this beautiful valley. Get a life...it is NOT all about money! Preserve the nature for our future generations.

What are we teaching our kids - just because you believe Tripple Crown spent money here, which, in comparison is not much, it is OK to treat us like a garbage pit and treat the service staff with disrespect? They come with vans and trailers; coolers loaded, even the beer is imported. The trash they generate pile up high and thrown around freely. They want to attract the bears, smear peanut butter on trees and rocks, throw food and soda cans in the forest and river intentionally.

Get The Chamber off its high horse and market to people that appreciate what Steamboat has to offer.

And as I repeat myself, Tripple Crown is for profit BUSINESS.
We the tax payers do not purchase, build or subsidize other businesses. IF Tripple Crown wants to build here, let them foot the bill. NOt on my penny!

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justathought 6 years, 6 months ago

letomayo, above you posted "In the 80's everyone was saying we needed more summer things to make our town successful...." sounds like you've been in stmbt for quite a while HOWEVER, in november you posted "I'm new to town I just got in two weeks ago. There is so many comments that are so legal on here it is hard to sort out. Is it true that the sherriff is really kind of a nice guy and he won the election but people who don't like him blog here?" SO WHICH IS IT?

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sportzmama 6 years, 6 months ago

addlip2u: I can not believe you think only Triple Crown families would smear peanut butter on trees, throw food and soda cans in the forest and river intentionally. That's just funny and not true. I know of a family that lives in this town in an upscale neighborhood that intentionally leaves food out for the bears because they feel sorry for them!!!!!!!!!

I do have a life and much of my free time is spent out doors recreating in this beautiful valley.

I came to Steamboat for 15 years before moving here as a Triple Crown athlete and I know hundreds of people who've done the same and we don't import everything - You can't keep milk, eggs, juice, meat among other things fresh and safe to eat by bringing them with you. Also regarding the alcohol - haven't you seen CPL's parking lot on weekends when Triple Crown is in town (as well as every single weekend of the year!) It's full of cars, vans, SUV's with out of state plates - that's not importing alcohol - it's purchasing it right here.

Triple Crown is a great organization that gives back to the communities it holds tournaments in. I've seen it happen in many of the states I've played tournaments in.

Tourism in general will bring the bad along with the good. That's my only point here. Triple Crown is not the plague! Winter tourism brings out just as many disrespectful people. They also bring many, many wonderful people to our community.

Regarding Pamela Lane: The P&R Commission put a strongly worded sentence in their motion to accept the TC contract extension that deals directly with access to the park. I STRONGLY encourage the City Council to address access as soon as possible - TC or not. I feel for the 24 residences in that neighborhood. As a parent, it must be flat out scary. Hopefully an under track access can be built so those folks can have their street back.

I will also proudly state that I am fairly new to this town. That doesn't mean that what happens here isn't important to me. I love this valley and I've been coming here for 15 years. As I mentioned before, I come from a tourist community, so even though I'm not from here, I've lived and experienced many of the growing pains the community is feeling and as a citizen of this community I have just as much right to voice my opinion AND get involved in the solution as someone who's been here for 30 years.

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dave reynolds 6 years, 6 months ago

2U.why dont you start a petion get signatures of people who dont want triple crown then go to business owners and ask them to sign it you think they will duobtful..as far as nature goes we are seeing problems with elk and deer having to change their feeding habits because we built on their range..bears getting into trash.....foxes not even afraid of human contact..as far as your trash coment goes I find that locals and visiters to the valley in winter cause a much more problem what with thanksgiving, Christmas. etc...locals are guilty too.howmany butts you see on the street or bags left at stations or in front of dumpsters..Oh thats right TC peoples beamed there trash here.triple Crown has nothting todo with what is happening to this valley

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dave reynolds 6 years, 6 months ago

2U.do you really believe your rant..get a grip,,most families from TC are respectfull and clean up after them selves..hello the valley has change many moons ago.so take a long bong hit hit and deal with it

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ijustlookhi 6 years, 6 months ago

sptsmama-

glad you feel comfortable being new here and that you feel strongly about your right to tell US how it is...

your a newbie on a high horse and it makes me sick, there is no way you can have a sense for this community...you only have a sense for yourself and your own agenda...so back off.

We didn't ask you to move here to further your own idea's on how our community should be. Why don't you kick back and chill and get off your high horse your talking down to us locals from.

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Hadleyburg_Press 6 years, 6 months ago

I can't remember. Could someone remind me how the Emerald Fields were originally paid for?

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housepoor 6 years, 6 months ago

To whom is the "WE" ijustlookhi is refering? I'm glad they feel so comfortable speaking for everyone!!! sportzmama is right their are good and bad apples in every group. Such behavior isn't limited to 3C or any group of tourists. There is plenty of "local" action that is just as destructiveoffensive...........

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colobob 6 years, 6 months ago

Tough to weigh-in on this one. The dilemma here seems to be one of dollars and cents but then when isn't the almighty dollar the issue. On the one hand you have the income that TC brings to SS and the other hand you have the traditional mayhem that comes with it. If you own a business that relies on tourist trade I can see your point. If you are a local I see your point as well. For me, when I've had enough of the triple crown revellers I head to the Poudre for a little fly fishing as well as the peace and tranquility that come with it. Funny really, they come here and I head there. The world is full of irony. I see both sides and don't have a clue to the solution. We all would like to have our cake and eat it too, unfortunately this world is one of give and take not cake eating.

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madmoores 6 years, 6 months ago

I've said it once, I'll say it again. Anything Steamboat does not want(Home Depot, Triple crown, Whatever), you just send them 42 miles west, we want them. It is time for this little cow-town to thrive and if the majority of Steamboat does not want them, we welcome them. I think there are solutions to the problems, point is how much do you value the problem to fix it. TC plays during the day here in Craig on every single field we have. During the evening, the fields are vacated for the local t-ballers, the adult softball leagues and the Little League, no problems with that plan to date. Sounds to me like some are just to possessive and not willing to give a little. I agree that the TC people are rude, trashy and drive like sh^! but the good thing is that they are not here for long. We get a lot of the players over here, it would not take much to build more fields and take over the whole thing, if SB doesn't want it. I like colobob's way of dealing with it, go do something else away from them. Might be smart to plan your 2 week vacation around them.

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twostroketerror 6 years, 6 months ago

I've been here 10yrs, mostly cooking, at at some of our fine local eateries. While I'm willing to believe the allegation that there are many 'fine families' in the 3C, I've never had one walk in to any restaurant that didn't act they owned the place, and that we owed them some kind of favor for gracing us with their mere presence. Mostly they order the cheapest stuff, re-write the menu, tip poorly (Thank you 18% auto grat!) and make a bigger mess than a pack of dogs the same size. They also help to cover payroll, but so would oil field workers. For us to pay to build them more fields is asinine.

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colobob 6 years, 6 months ago

twostroke, I have no vested interest in the food industry. We (my wife and I), do eat out on occasion. When you say tipping poorly you are being kind. This extends way beyond TC and includes all walks of life including some locals. I've always been of the opinion that if you can not afford to leave a tip (unless the SERVICE really stinks) for waitstaff that rely on tips to make a decent wage then you should eat at home or go to a fast food joint. If the food is terrible you complain but a tip for good service is always in order. My wife and I are amazed at how many people go out to eat and leave no tip at all. It's really kind of pathetic that people would act this way while being waited on hand and foot. I've even gone so far as to tip the cook instead of the wait staff because the food was outstanding yet the service was terrible.

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dave reynolds 6 years, 6 months ago

bob I agree I'm a good tipper if the food is good as long with the service.but to expect 3c otip because they are here is idiotidic.you provide good service you get a good tip I generally go 25 to 30 percent..treat hem withrespect the you get respect..some are bad no doubt but most are respectfull and courtious..stopp ripping on them..like it or not theyare your bread and butter

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colobob 6 years, 6 months ago

fisher, please re-read my remarks. I think you'll find that I wasn't just talking about TC folks but about ALL those that go out to eat and don't tip. I think you have misunderstood my remarks. Tipping the cook when the food is good but the service is lousy is a great object lesson for the wait person. More often than not service in the boat has been excellent. The only real "ripping" here is to those that don't tip.

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twostroketerror 6 years, 6 months ago

Fact of life, your server probably didn't have their current job in mind when they got their English Degree then came out here to 'live the dream'. I've worked w/ some of the most amazing wait staff in this town, but for 80% of the servers out there, this is their first experience shuttling food for dough. Some figure it out, while others make life hard for both front and back of house. I don't recall who said it, but anyone who eats out at all should spend a month (year?) waiting tables. A truly eye opening and potentially soul crushing experience. 3C is the #1 reason 90% of down town restaurants have 'An 18% gratuity will be added to tables of 6 or more' and 'no separate checks' on the menu. You can't make them nice, but you can make them pay. colobob, I've gotten those 'for the cook' tips before, and it at least lets me know I'm doing MY job right, thanks!

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nsuzita 6 years, 6 months ago

Triple Crown seems to be like tourism in general... the bad apples make the whole bunch bad... My take on it is this: We are pristine and valued for our open spaces and surveys have told us that they come here for our beautiful scenic vistas... so let's encourage tourism that encourages what we all value (locals and tourists love our open spaces!). Triple Crown has a place in our economy and perhaps TC will be the impetus to solve the Pamela Lane problem that exists no matter who uses the Emerald fields! Let's look at TC as part of a solution because without them, we may come to see their absence as a very big problem. When there's another likely prospect knocking on our door, we might be able to be selective about our economy boosters, but so far, I'm not seeing a lot of those suitors at the door of SS.

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STEMBOATwannabe 6 years, 6 months ago

  1. Emerald park access to non residents
  2. TC and their impact on the SS area
  3. economy boosters in the area.

The city should adhere to their original contract with residents about the use of Emerald Park.

Triple Crown should monitor the teams that they invite to their events better. If there is a complaint about a team, they should honor their responibility in their honor/behavior code that they have all the teams sign.

SS should work with TC to make a better contract. They have been an economy booster to the area. Management of rental properties should honor their commitment to owners to not rent to more than the prescribed number of persons per unit. If all sides were more vigilante in following the rules that have been set forth then there should not be a problem.

At least, if TC knew that they have caused so much debate in the SS area, they should take steps to correct some of the mistakes made in the past.

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Books 6 years, 6 months ago

STEMBOATwannabe

The management companies can't discriminate against one group or another. When these TC people rent your condo they always seem to leave out the part that the whole team will be staying there. I have seen that many times. 20 - 25 people in a 4 bedroom unit. I always tell people not to rent their units in the summer. They only get about 1/3 of the winter rates and a lot of damage from the ball teams.

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bocal 6 years, 6 months ago

ijustlookstoned. Just got back to the work grind here and noticed you laced a couple more low level, transient, vomit colored posts. I'm not scared, just amazed at your obvious inability to see past your own private interests.
I say put TC to a vote and see what happens. I bet there's a lot of people in this town who appreciate TC and can deal with their issues. If not, as soon as oil looses its luster and TC is gone, you can go back to smoking reef on Yampa and 5th without interruption.

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seabirth 6 years, 6 months ago

i don't really care about triple crown, but i take issue with comparing a summer baseball tournament with winter tourism. winter tourism is based on the skiing. having a ski mountain is a benefit to those who live here... not just for jobs but for recreation for many of us.

triple crown brings in revenue and jobs, but there is no secondary benefit. this is likely why locals have less patience with tc'ers than winter tourists.

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STEMBOATwannabe 6 years, 6 months ago

Books -

It is not discrimination to require that there is a maximun number of individuals who can stay in a unit.
I'm sure the fire department would have a say in this safety issue. It sounds to me like you are endagering the safety of minors ( children) when there is flagrant overcrowding in some units.

If there are owners that can survive without the income, maybe they should block out the weeks that TC is in town. Taking their units off the rental books for the duration of the TC occupation in SS would send a message to the organization when they are trying to find accomodations for their teams.

TC should consider camping. Offer a campsite far from SS for these people who seem to like camping in a condo. Bring in port-a-potties for them.

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Token 6 years, 6 months ago

Many folks do take their units off the rental market for the last 2 weeks of the tourney. TC just doesn't know it. I recommend it. So much for that segment of SS making all this $$ they supposedly bring in.

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STEMBOATwannabe 6 years, 6 months ago

The weeks from July 21 to August 9 are some of the best summer weeks to be in Colorado.

TC obviously knows this. That is probably one of their draws for their tournaments.

It sounds like SS is stuck with TC for at least a couple more years. So this is the time to band together and get the City Council to change it's view and look for other means of attracting tourists to the valley.

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OnTheBusGus 6 years, 6 months ago

seabirth has a great point. The locals do not receive benefit from the TCers unless you consider traffic, painted car windows and crowded grocery stores a benefit. At least in the winter we know the stashes to play in to get away from the tourists on the mountain. A campground would be ideal, they are pretty cheap anyway and would probably like the savings from the condo to buy more Bud light. When I waited tables the Tcers grumbled about the price of the food all the time. I had a table of 10 so I added 18% gratuity and I overhead one of them mumble... "was the service worth it?". Damn skippy it was! They didn't need to ask for a thing but that is their attitude. They are simply cheap because they come from the city where things cost less. Someone needs to let them know that they are in a resort area, things cost more and if they don't like it they should stay home.

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STEMBOATwannabe 6 years, 6 months ago

A campground would solve some of the problems.

It was written somewhere that they bring in their own supplies (food) anyway.
They like to sleep in cramped areas ( too many occumpants/unit size) as it is.
*All they need is a port-a-potty.

Some of the big concert series offer camping. TC needs to investicgate finding a location outside of town ( hopefully too far to wreck havoc in SS) that they can use as a campground for their duration.

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elkeye 6 years, 6 months ago

The issue of Triple Crown and Emerald Park is nothing new.

If Dave King wants the City to even consider Triple Crown using the Emerald Park fields, he should get out his checkbook and provide a secondary access or withdraw his request to use the Emerald Park fields.

Wednesday, May 15, 2002

Steamboat Springs - The baseball fields at Emerald Park are proving to be a precious bargaining chip between Triple Crown and Steamboat's negotiating committee.

Both Councilman Paul Strong and Triple Crown founder Dave King said use of the park and its baseball fields are one of the final and the largest issue yet to be resolved before a five-year renewal contract is signed.

At the heart of the issue is a secondary access into Emerald Park.

"As long as there is an access issue with Pamela Lane, we're not willing to put Triple Crown there. I don't want to even look at the issue until that one gets resolved," Strong said.

King agreed and said an access to alleviate the pressure of traffic driving on Pamela Lane has to be solved.

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