Triple Crown Sports officials say Steamboat Springs and Northwest Colorado should figure out how - and if - they want the company to continue to bring its softball and baseball tournaments to the region each summer.

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Triple Crown Sports officials say Steamboat Springs and Northwest Colorado should figure out how - and if - they want the company to continue to bring its softball and baseball tournaments to the region each summer.

Triple Crown needs assurances

Officials say short-term deal unnecessary without long-term plan

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— Triple Crown Sports officials say their proposed use of Emerald Park is not a deal breaker for a two-year contract extension with the city of Steamboat Springs. But failure to develop a long-term plan for the sports tourism company's future in Northwest Colorado could be.

"There's no reason to do a two-year deal if a long-term deal isn't going to happen," said Matt Van Alsburg, Triple Crown's World Series director.

Van Alsburg, Triple Crown President Dave King and other company officers met with officials from the city of Steamboat Springs and the town of Hayden at Triple Crown headquarters in Fort Collins on Friday to discuss the company's long-term plans and whether the region can accommodate them.

"Obviously they want to grow, and the trick is, if we choose to, can we fit into that," City Manager Alan Lanning said.

Triple Crown has hosted summer baseball and softball tournaments in the Steamboat area for 27 years. A consultant's report released last year states that Triple Crown brings about 32,000 visitors and $1.19 million in tax revenues to Northwest Colorado each summer. But some residents oppose the company's tournaments because of noise, traffic congestion and other impacts that accompany the influx of visitors.

The debate has come to the forefront recently because of Triple Crown's controversial request to use Emerald Park fields from 8 a.m. to 2 p.m. four days a week during three weeks of its 10-week schedule in 2009 and 2010. To date, the fields have been reserved for local use.

At Friday's meeting - the first direct negotiations between Triple Crown and City Council members in recent memory - council President Loui Antonucci said Triple Crown officials were amenable to finding a solution other than Emerald Park.

King "understands the politics of that," Antonucci said.

Van Alsburg confirmed that Emerald Park is not a deal breaker, but he said it's now up to the city to find a solution to accommodate all the games Triple Crown needs to schedule. Van Alsburg said Triple Crown suggested Emerald Park because it is cheaper than other options, such as paying to finish fields at Dry Creek Park in Hayden.

Last week, the Hayden Town Board decided to send a letter to the Steamboat Springs Chamber Resort Association and the Hayden Chamber of Commerce asking local businesses to help pay for the $125,000 cost of completing fields at Dry Creek Park.

"If private business would pay for it, we'd be interested in building it," said Town Manager Russ Martin, who said Hayden won't have the money in its budget to finish the fields itself for a few years. "This is what we see as our opportunity to help out and also help ourselves."

As for the long-term, Van Alsburg said Steamboat must decide whether Triple Crown is something it wants and, if so, at what level.

"Our long-term goal is to grow this event in five or eight years to 800 teams," said Van Alsburg, referring to the World Series event that makes up the final three weeks of Triple Crown's schedule. That event is expected to draw 390 teams to Steamboat this summer, 40 more than before. Van Alsburg said one option is to split the World Series between two locations, which would keep the number of teams in Steamboat at about its current level. Or, if plans to build a Northwest Colorado Sports Complex in Hayden come to fruition, Triple Crown could hold the entire event in Routt County. Even with the smaller option, Van Alsburg said Steamboat must improve the number and quality of available fields.

"They would be looking for us to put money in our fields," Antonucci said.

Van Alsburg said competitors are gaining on Triple Crown and that the need for high-quality facilities is increasing.

"In the past, people were willing to overlook facilities in a destination," he said. "Now we're running into a situation where people can get both."

Triple Crown already has begun exploring a possible move from Steamboat. The company recently issued a nationwide request for proposals to gauge what it would be worth to other communities, King said last week.

With City Council's direction, Lanning said he and Parks, Open Space and Recreation Director Chris Wilson will work to find a resolution with Triple Crown in the next six weeks. Van Alsburg said Friday's meeting encouraged him.

"The general feel from our office was positive," he said.

Comments

colowoodsman 6 years, 3 months ago

With all the discussion and negotiations going on with TC has anyone considered what might happen if we experience wildfires from the beetle kill surrounding SS? Would TC be able to play if the valley is choked with smoke? We will probably be at risk for wildffires for the next several years. Maybe Mother Nature will solve the TC problem for us.

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Malcolm_Reynolds 6 years, 3 months ago

WOW, I must be a Triple Crowner. I own a Crew Cab Pickup and a Suburban, both are registered in Routt County. A Prius could not pull my trailer with or without toys on board. I don't hear anyone complaining about that in January. Also, the majority of sales taxes that are generated are from visitors and tourists. It would be our funds, if the city had property taxes.

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CHAUNCEY COOKE 6 years, 3 months ago

$1.19 million dollars for 3 weeks pays for a lot of infrastructure.We enjoy a large library,Howelsen Hill,a new community center,tennis bubble and so on.We have as much infrastructure as a town of 100,000.If infrastructure is not your thing and you want a less hectic environment,this is a great time to cash out and move to a place like Steamboat was in the 70's.I don't own a business here in Steamboat,neither do all the complainers on this forum.If not for the tourist we wouldn't have all the nice infrastructure you enjoy.If you are a tax payer,get ready to pay up if you run off the tourists.Anyway my 2 cents.Dispite our views we all need to spread the love to any tourist or visitor to the valley.This is a friendly town,we need to continue that tradition.

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housepoor 6 years, 3 months ago

I've had no complaints about triple crown. Do they annoy me? Sure , but no more than the ski tourist or the occasional obnoxious local who think they are entitled::.......I do think we 'locals' have access to far greater infrastructure, recreation facilities(Howelsen Hill & Haymaker are both amazing amenities) and schools than any other town of 12,000..........we have the tourists and second homeowners to thank for that

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dave reynolds 6 years, 3 months ago

I've read so many complaints about TC..personly I have not had a bad experience with any of them..how many of you moved here from some where else and now you complain about the very same thing that brought you here STBT is a very special place thats why TC chose us..when all you moved here did generation locals try to run you out of town..we wouldn't have a lot of the things we have now with out TC tax dollars or tourist dollars for that matter..sound it out destination resort..have a nice day

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Neil O'Keeffe 6 years, 3 months ago

Let's get it on the ballot and resolve this once and for all. TC is backing away from Emerald because they know it will unite the outspoken but inactive citizens against them. Let's not prolong this for another 2 year's. Especially if they are looking to spend city $ to upgrade or build new facilities. Do we really want to wait until they have 890 teams here before we wake up? TAKE IT TO THE PEOPLE, GET OUT THE VOTE!!!! Believe!

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SilverSpoon 6 years, 3 months ago

$1.2 million/.08=$15 million in gross revenue. Sharing condo or not, BBQ instead of cafe diva, "Local" businesses are taking home some of that revenue. "normal" communities don't feel quite as privilidged as us in steamboat, so TC fit right in other communities. In steamboat, the TC caravans with Tommy's name and number soaped onto their escalade's windows, sticks out like a sore thumb. Tommy downhilling valley vue in his blue jeans, sticks out like a sore thumb.
We all know, if you don't ride an Ellsworth or a moots, you will still stick out like a sore thumb.
Like the great Rodney King said, "Can't we all just get along?"

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sickofitall 6 years, 3 months ago

86 em Im tired of the traffic. Let the fact that this is Steamboat Springs attract visitors. The place is a zoo when these guys are here.

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mountaingirl33 6 years, 3 months ago

I enjoyed Stmbt during the summer, before I realized TC was here- they have a negative impact on our city, and our community. If the city wants to keep them, they need a better plan for sure- put it to a vote!! Let's bring back the vintage car races!!! Just a thought- where did all the balloons go anyway??? I love seeing that in this beautiful valley.

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Malcolm_Reynolds 6 years, 3 months ago

Let the entertainment start! I'll be back at 10am for a good laugh. The spokespeople for all of Steamboat Springs and the Yampa Valley will speak.

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JustAsking 6 years, 3 months ago

Why doesn't TC come to the table with some $$$ to build or upgrade fields? What does their P&L look like? Naturally they would like to have a bigger event to make more money but what are they willing to contribute?

Maybe, Mr. King, just bringing the event to SB and raking in the money isn't enough. Perhaps it's time for a little more sharing and a little less "if we don't get what we want we will move."

Maybe it's time for SB to see what TC's competition would like to PAY for the rights to host their event here.

I'm sure there are other promoters out there who would be delighted to have FREE use of city facilities. How about car racing at the airport or perhaps a "fly in" of one sort or another? Golf tournament anyone? Bike challenge?

There are a lot of ways to fill rooms and sell hot dogs but it will require the CC and Chamber to work to make it happen.

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bcpow 6 years, 3 months ago

I agree with just asking. Triple clown has allowed the chamber and city to not really have to find other ways to attract visitors. Over the last decade we have seen more summer events disappear and it hasn't mattered since the clowns were increasing in numbers. What do towns like Aspen, Crested Butte, etc do to increase tourism numbers in the summer? I would like to see the clowns disappear, but our economic reality won't allow that without serious work by the chamber and city.

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HawaiianEye 6 years, 3 months ago

Let the Triple Clowns go! Enough is enough. Put it on the ballot. Lets here what the people say, not city council.

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elkeye 6 years, 3 months ago

Without a vote of the residents of the City of Steamboat Springs, what kind of assurances can the City Council of Steamboat Springs provide Triple Crown Sports?

If "Triple Crown exceeded Steamboat's comfort level years ago", what does Hermacinski think of the prospect of having 890 teams hear?

If Triple Crown Sports wants a long-term "deal", I submit that the residents of the City of Steamboat Springs will not support it.

It's time for Triple Crown Sports to move on!

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MtnWarlock 6 years, 3 months ago

Hi, I'm Joe recreation businessman. I want to continue doing business with your town however; I want you to spend money from your towns businesses to accommodate my mine! You need to spend some money to accommodate my business needs and I will bring more business back to you to help pay for your contributions. You have to spend money to make money, you know! If I later decide to leave your town, I will leave you with recreational ball parks that everyone can use. The only thing you have to do is maintain them whether you use them or not. Oh, I know that there is opposition to my requests with the local natives but, who really feeds them? Oh yah, that's right, they are not fed by tourists like most, are! The money is nice but, the cost of dealing with us is not! Everything has a price, I say! You must decide what you want! Basically, put up or shut up! Let's petition the town to a vote! Let's attract other business that's not so congesting! Other towns have interest in my business, says Joe business man! I've been thinking about letting another town host my business! The nice quiet little town of Hayden that lies just west of Steamboat would be delighted to have Triple Crown dollars in their city! Heck, they would build fields and put up hotels and add tourist taxes and beautify the green belts and traffic would flow better, PROSPERITY! Oh, I forgot. Hayden is asking to receive a piece of the action but, wants subsidizing from Steamboat to do it! We have space! You buy it, says Hayden! We will ride that circus pony too! Ask Malcom_Reynolds who blogs here and lives there! Are you having fun "cynical" Mal? Are you entertained? LOL! (Authors note) Not a spokesperson, just a Steamboat resident of many years who cares! I miss the quiet summers with the vintage auto and motorcycle races! Steamboat, the way it "wuz", if anyone remembers that summer promo! (sigh). Have a good day!

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longtimelocal 6 years, 3 months ago

This whole negotiation with the triple crown is laughable. They want us to fund all of their needs, what about them putting some money into the ballfields and such. I have tried to keep an open mind about this for years, but quite frankly have had a belly full of the jammed streets, rude people, and condescending attitude shown by many of them. Let them go people, our town will be better for it. Enough already!

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scooter 6 years, 3 months ago

Note to Council: I'm sure your reading the blog today. Do your jobs: PUT THIS THING TO A VOTE!!! Let the residents of Steamboat make the decision on Triple Crown.

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sportzmama 6 years, 3 months ago

Question: Does Interwest get any kind of tax incentive? The reason I ask is that the face of the Mtn. is rapidly changing and everything we held dear up there is either going away or changing drastically. I'm just curious as to whether they are getting ANY breaks from the city for that re-development - of course they are!! What they're doing up there WILL NOT for the most part be for any locals here, and traffic??? Where were you all winter? When it takes 4 tries to get through the light at Pine Grove - there's traffic.

Keep an open mind people. Just because TC is bringing something to this town besides Winter Sports, doesn't mean it's all bad. Was anyone bad mouthing the CEO or Interwest the way they've been doing to Dave King? Just a question.......

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Harvey Lyon 6 years, 3 months ago

Properly this would be a County wide vote...perhaps two counties (Moffat) and it would properly be in the form of a bond measure for $15 million or so to build the fields in sufficient quantity and quality.

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Cal2StmBoatGirl 6 years, 3 months ago

What's up with all the Triple Crown whiners in Steamboat!? I come to Steamboat frequently and love the (typically) friendly people. I was thrilled to learn that that my 13-year old's baseball team qualified for the big "Steamboat tournament" this year. We plan to have a lot of fun with the boys in the area and, of course, spend a lot of $. My enthusiasm is quite dampened, however, by all the complainers. You sound like spoiled brats. Baseball is a great sport (come out and watch us play!) and the families who participate (at least on our team) are great people (not "drunks") who come from all walks of life. Some of us will surely dine at La Pouget, Cafe Diva, Bistro CV, etc. and others at McDonalds. So what? This is America!! If Steamboat does not appreciate our business and welcome our children, we will gladly play our games (and spend our money) elsewhere.

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justathought 6 years, 3 months ago

Why does Stmbt even have a council? Why not let the town manager attend to the everyday mundane things and put EVERYTHING else to a vote of the people. Every time something controversial comes up, someone thinks the only way to solve it is to take it to a vote. Do you know the cost of an election? If you have a hard stand on an issue, rally like minded supporters and attend meetings, get petitions signed and present them to the council, get your voices heard; if that's too much work, the issue wasn't as important to you as you thought and the tax payers shouldn't have to pay for a few lazy dissenters to vote on it. If you find the majority is on your side and the council goes against it, get rid of the council, otherwise, help the council do the job they were elected to do. Remember, we all won't be happy with the outcome but that's democracy.

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Christina McLean 6 years, 3 months ago

I've heard the argument, "What about the local economy that will suffer once TC is gone?" Well, after 27 years, what about the untapped market of visitors (and not necessarily the equivalent body county, but perhaps the same or higher dollar count) who have shied away from Steamboat in the summertime because it's been known as TC Capital USA for nearly 3 decades?

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addlip2U 6 years, 3 months ago

Finally!

Cal2StmBoatGirl - you got the message. Thank you. Please spread the word around to all your Triple Crown players and do take your Triple Crown elsewhere.

Can't wait for it to happen, soon I hope.

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Harvey Lyon 6 years, 3 months ago

addlip & oldschool,

Given a choice, I'd prefer you folks went away as opposed to the folks that attend TCS events. You seem quite rude.

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oldskoolstmbt 6 years, 3 months ago

stirrin---you don't have a choice..just like us not having one for the past 27 years AND all i said was bye to a woman who was name calling...who IS the rude one?

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Cal2StmBoatGirl 6 years, 3 months ago

Thanks "trouble" ... you seem to reflect the warm and welcoming Steamboat that I've grown to know and love. There will always be complainers...I guess all that mud this time of year makes some people feel irritable.

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Harvey Lyon 6 years, 3 months ago

oldschool,

Well I travel to many towns for various events and activities and looking at it fom that perspective you came across as rude.

I like the fact that she's excited to take a familiy vacation that includes Baseball to Steamboat and we should cultivate and welcome that. We also need to preserve our quality of life issues as well as allow local business to excel. To do this requires planning and leadership.

Frankly I'm glad the City Council is addressing this issue with a long term solution in mind. I believe there is a solution that allows TCS to host top notch tournaments here as well as the many other summer events and maintains a great quality of life for all concerned. However...it will require thought and investment of capital unlike the previous patchwork.

Our negative symptoms regarding TCS events are the result of lack of planning on our part....not a family's from California.

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STEMBOATwannabe 6 years, 3 months ago

" This whole negotiation with the triple crown is laughable. They want us to fund all of their needs, what about them putting some money into the ballfields and such. "

They need to add security and off sit parking as well as offer shuttles to the fieds where THIER teams are playing.

TC uses Steamboat facilities. They are the host of the tournament. They don't own the fields. They should staff the clean up and security as well as foot the bill for shuttles to games played on fields in residential neighborhoods.

If they can ask for assurances - can't city concil also ask TC to provide some things as well?

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Jonathan Casson 6 years, 3 months ago

So, I was in Fruita this past weekend to do some good old-fashioned mountain biking. The locals there are all up in arms about the influx of mountain bikers who descend on their town in the spring like "hordes of locusts." One guy I spoke to complained "all they do is camp, they dont even spend any money in town." Another Fruita local told me "those ski town folks are so snooty with their expensive bikes and subaru's, they should all drive big trucks so they can fit in with the locals." I walked along the street and another local was ranting "I can't even park or get through town with all those damn mtn bikers hogging up the streets. I'm late for work cuz I have to park so far away. I can believe those people want us to build more trails just so they can invade our quiet little town every spring". I went into the coffee shop to get some joe and I asked the lady at the counter if there was a good spot to get lunch. She snorted at me, looked down her nose at me and said "if you aint from here, I cant tell you." All I wanted to do was ride my bike in a cool, little town.

Only Tater seemed truly happy to see me....

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oldskoolstmbt 6 years, 3 months ago

mud?....i still have 3 1/2' of snow in my yard...oh, the things we put up with year round to live in paradise...ur right, we are spoiled, not brats...just locals who are trying to keep this valley a place where we want LIVE, not just visit

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oldskoolstmbt 6 years, 3 months ago

stirrin- i completely agree with your post..i guess what got me going about her 's is the THREAT at the end of her blog..of course she learned it well from TC rep's....is that any way to negotiate?

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CHAUNCEY COOKE 6 years, 3 months ago

Most towns would gladly welcome the TC.Most towns are seeking ways to improve their economy.Is Steamboat so well off financially that they don't need tourists,let's close the gates and keep people out?Look at how many businesses have gone out of business downtown.We should welcome revenue from families.This is a family friendly resort town.Some people want Steamboat to be a closed community and keep the tourist out.If it wasn't for the tourists paying the bills,purchasing goods and some purchasing condos we wouldn't have a big library nor afford to keep the doors open at Howelsen Hill(costs is $600,000 a year).I don't own a business here,I work out of my home.The lack of tourists won't effect me,but the loss of their revenue will effect everyone.We either need to close Howelsen Hill Ski area(I hope not I have 3 kids in SSWSC)or raise taxes to compensate for the loss of income,when you run off the tourists.If you want Steamboat all to yourself you need to move to a place like Hayden or Red Lodge MT.They are both quiet and like Steamboat was in the 70's.

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corduroy 6 years, 3 months ago

Jon, that's too bad about Fruita. I've only been there once to bike, some amazing trails. I'm sort of surprised they don't expect all us mountain bikers to be there, our trails are still under feet of snow! All it takes is a few bad apples to give everyone a bad impression of a group. Many mountain bikers I know are very considerate. I ate at the Hot Tomato Cafe there, perused some bike shops, and everyone I encountered was mighty friendly. (even though I do have my Subaru with bikes on top and dog in the backseat) I wonder what it will be like when I get some time for a day trip down there..

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Fox 6 years, 3 months ago

Let the People of Steamboat decide if they want to be deluged with with TC, not just the businessman who want to profit at the expense of the citizens of Steamboat. Put it to a vote.

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Bonzo 6 years, 3 months ago

put it to a vote.... put it to a vote. Maybe we should just fire the council and have a weekly vote on each Saturday on all the issues that have come up in the previous week. Let the CC do their job. If you don't like it then elect someone else. And then if you are still unhappy with the direction the town is going... then move. I am.

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Jonathan Casson 6 years, 3 months ago

Hi Corduroy-

Sorry, my comments were supposed to be taken satirically. The people in Fruita have always been super nice and welcoming.

My point was to illustrate that we Steamboatians can be considered tourists at times just like Triple Crowners. Do we have the same impacts on Fruita that the Triple Crown has on us? Do the mtn bikers stir up the same debate down there as Triple Crown does up here?

However, I find it interesting to read your response.....insert the words Baseball, Fields and Triple Crown instead of bike terms where appropriate and you can see my point.

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Harvey Lyon 6 years, 3 months ago

Well the YVEDC study has been out for awhile and some very smart folks have looked at it. Nobody has jumped on it. My guess is that it doesn't make good economic sense to build fields in the numbers requested that will only be used by TCS and other sports tourism marketers.

While I wish it were different my guess is the TCS World Series has outgrown Steamboat and that they will have to move it elsewhere or at least part of it.

If the decision to build the fields is positive it will likely require the issuance of a bond which I think will require a vote here in Colorado.

The way I see it....TC needs 16 to 20 additional fields to achieve 800 teams over 4 weeks.......that is big $$$.

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ColoradoNative 6 years, 3 months ago

Steamboat must improve the number and quality of available fields.

"They would be looking for us to put money in our fields," Antonucci said.

So where is the commitment from TC in all of this? Are they not bringing anything to the table other than more teams, more traffic, and quite honestly more demands?

TC says they have an 5-8 year growth plan. Well Steamboat is pretty maxed out right now as it is. Capping the amount of teams in Steamboat and spreading them around Routt County seems like a reasonable choice.

We really need to put this to a vote. The City Council has no business deciding this issue with the vote of the people as it effects us all.

I'm not going to blame TC, City Council or anyone in particular. We the people of Steamboat are to blame for allowing all the growth in this city without preparing for the ramifications.

Look no further than the all the condo projects downtown in an area that is completely congested in the summer months. It's a joke. Now TC wants more ball fields packed in town?

Please.

We can all piss and moan on this forum or get involved at the City Council level.

We're long overdue. Here's an idea. Steamboat 700 is chomping at the bit to get going. They are going to make tens of millions of dollars. They could build a couple ball field on the west end of town. It sounds like Hayden wants in on more action also. Keep the teams moving between the west end of town and Hayden and maybe Steamboat could reclaim some space for the local kids/families during the summer months.

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53native 6 years, 3 months ago

It's SKI TOWN, USA, not BALL town!!! TC will ALWAYS want more. Enough is enough. Send 'em packing and take our town back! Maybe some of my friends and relatives will start coming back in the summer- you know the ones who've been here on TC wknds and said "never again!!"

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colorado1 6 years, 3 months ago

Yeah, and while we're complaining, we should cancel the snow and keep ALL the tourists out of town for the whole winter. A couple of them got drunk and into a fight I heard about. Who wants that?
And cancel all the building that's tearing up the mountain and downtown. I hate all the construction dust and 18 wheelers going down Lincoln. All that building is for those lousey tourists who want to buy million dollar condos and spend their money here. How about only advertising for civilized tourists. We should have anyone who wants to come to SS to take a test...... What's wrong with you guys? Our own end of the ski season had to be patrolled by police because of the drunken LOCALS. 1.19 million in tax revenues is a lot of revenue for you guys to be complaining about for a three week stint of baseball.
Are any of you complainers business owners?

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SilverSpoon 6 years, 3 months ago

Remember, every year our town has an invasion of certain "types" of people.
A couple of years ago, the NBA came to town. Those new orleans folks, certainly packed the bunny hill and swamped the ski instructors, 20 per. I know they had a real blast here, I even heard they had a much better time than when they go to vail. I hope they don't go to copper, because they'll find it to be way more hospitable than steamboat.

Then nasstar crowd flooded steamboat, their skis are too good to go on the rack, and snobby parents are trying to raise the next tommy moe.

Then there was the Mercury tour, and we can admit that Texans can bring more $$$ than mtn. bikers. Mtn bikers hit critical mass(fruita) way faster than people playing base ball, because in baseball you can take turns with the ball fields.

We just need to realize that steamboat is a destination town, 160 miles from the closest big city, at $4.00/gallon, or $80 round trip, common folk will quit visiting our town. THen it will be like 27 years ago.

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53native 6 years, 3 months ago

Some folks just don't get it- its the crowds in their Excusrions and Yukons and Suburbans and other land yachts that TC brings that create the problems. How many times has this town ever been gridlocked due to 13,000 skiers in town?? None that I can recall. If 10,000 skiers were all descending on Howelson at the same time as happens with every TC event that would be a holy mess too.

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ColoradoNative 6 years, 3 months ago

Look no further than the title of this article to realize there is a problem.

"Triple Crown Needs assurances". This deal is so one sided it's unbelievable.

Everything I read that comes from TC is "We need this, we want that".

They even say they want to eventually have 800 teams going?

800? The real issue at hand is TRAFFIC. Our town simply cannot handle the traffic let alone the DOUBLING of TC.

The people of Steamboat need to demand our City Council focus on the infrastructure of our town NOW. We're debating 700, we're debating the impact of TC, yet where is the real solution to our traffic issues?

We can shuffle the Triple Crown to Hayden and other areas but they are still going to end up clogging up downtown with us locals. We can no longer ignore this real problem at hand.

The TC is just a symptom of our own problems.

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contrarian 6 years, 3 months ago

53native I'm with you brother. One of the things I like best about living here is that all the locals drive small hybrids and there aren't any big vehicles on the roads here except when TC is in town. Drives me nuts. And what really bugs me is that the TC jerks have the nerve to be here at Halloween and Christmas time too. Last Halloween I had to sit in all kinds of traffic trying to get down to Lincoln Ave cause all those TCers were here with their Excusrions and Yukons and Suburbans. And at Christmas time I couldn't find a parking spot anywhere near City Market because of those damn TCers. Life would be perfect here and there would be no traffic or need for better roads if we could get rid of TC. I'm with 53native!!

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colowoodsman 6 years, 3 months ago

I agree with 53 and CN. The biggest problem with TC is the number of vehicles they bring. 800 teams x 3 or 4 SUVs per team equals WAY too many for our narrow streets and and fragile mountain enviorment! TC has one foot out the door already so let's help them get on their way before city council knucles under and starts building more fields with money that could be better spent.

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colorado1 6 years, 3 months ago

So the comments are from either the support side of the ledger or the throw the sob's out of Steamboat side of the ledger.
Traffic seems to be the biggest complaint, next to 'life would be better here' (violins please), rude people (SB has plenty of their own, no offense, you know who you are) and if TC didn't come here there wouldn't be the need for better roads (what??) or those who want life in SB like the 70's with the Good Taste Crepe Shop and Sidestep burritos and the El Rancho Cafe. And I'm really sad about the Tugboats likely demise but that's not TC's fault, that's just progress. Great memories but life in SB will never be like those days again. The world is changing and SB right along with it. SB is growing.
TC is not the devil in baseball uniform. TC wants to bring our businesses lots and lots of dollars. Do you create $1.19 million of tax revenue to SB in three weeks? Yeah, me neither.

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ColoradoNative 6 years, 3 months ago

Ok I'm going to officially change my anti Triple Crown stance I've had on this forum over the last few weeks.

With the uncertainty of the economy over the next few years it makes sense to lock them in to a long term deal IF and only IF the community as a majority supports it.

Put it to the vote of the people that way nobody can complain later.

TC needs to show some compromise other than....

"We need Emerald park"
"We're shopping around for other cities" "Steamboat needs to build better facilities"

That's all we've heard from them the last month or so. If it's not a win win situation then we make the change

I also believe that the Triple Crown organization itself needs to make a financial commitment towards any ball field improvements as well.

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424now 6 years, 3 months ago

Native has it now, TC can Put up a few $'s to improve a few fields and we can contribute too. As partners we can build fields that will accomodate both TC and our local ball players. In lite of the long standing relationship we can comprimize and get back to being the friendly ol' Boat that everybody loves.

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elk2 6 years, 3 months ago

A venue of 800 teams needs to relocate to a much larger community. Can we accommodate a group this large? no way. Triple Crown has outgrown Steamboat.

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toboyle105 6 years, 3 months ago

Years ago the Volvo Tennis tourney used to be in No. Conway, N.H. It was chased out of town. Things have never been the same. If any of you townies ever leave town and visit another city You are a tourist. Deal with it. Maybe they don't want you there either. Unless you are a hedge fund manager or a trust funder, the rest of us have to make a living. Shut your pie holes and learn to be friendly to those who spend their hard earned money in your community.

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colobob 6 years, 3 months ago

spoken like a true (tourist business) busine$$ owner. To heck with the community......................., kaaching! kaaching! T-shirt anyone?

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dave reynolds 6 years, 3 months ago

cobob dont like it move..tax revenue alone in the past three years has paid for many ammenties we have now..no i dont spell well....since ive been here the community has basicly improved some people who have moved here are rude..but for the most part are ok..if you want to blame someone for all this crap you deal with year round the blame intrawest everyone else does..LMFAO

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colorado1 6 years, 3 months ago

Let's not forget that every business in town is a 'tourist business' business. It is especially the local business owners who rely on tourists. The big box businesses not so much. The local family owned businesses trying to make a living in a tourist town, guess what, rely on tourists. So, please don't diss the comments from those whose livelihood relies on the city promoters promoting tourism. TC is probably like the three week Christmas - New Year holiday season for the local businesses.
By the way, in case your local eyes have been tunnel visioned to avoid gazing around the city (especially those who believe that the locals drive only small hybrids......) the franchises have arrived and their numbers are growing.

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colobob 6 years, 3 months ago

paddle, 800 teams? At who's expense? And with what guarentees? Another 2 year contract? How about a 10 year contract to protect the investment in building enough fields to accomidate 800 teams. Maybe you should try moving, moving on into REALITY! Not even 400 teams yet and look what it's like. But go ahead, jump off the ledge without looking to see what's under the waters surface. Using TC as a cure all without developing other sources of income is more than just fool hardy..........., it's STUPID! What happens when TC decides to up and move? That's not even a possibilty, right? Planning should be long term not just as far as you can throw a ball. DIVERSIFY, that's how you survive in the real world, not by putting all your effort in one or two innings. Why not just bulldoze everything between 3rd & 9th st? Look at all the ballfields you could fit in, and close to all the shops too. Or why not do the rational thing and set some sort of cap on the number of teams steamboat can accomidate. 800 teams? Steamboat is one of TC's main venues because of it's charm and diversity. People come here for that reason, that and it's geographical location, smack dab in the middle of the country. That's a big part of TC's allure to its participants. So go ahead run around like chicken little proclaiming "the sky is falling, the sky is falling!" It will be good practice for when it really does. Let TC come, but let them know there are acceptable limits to what the town can handle. 800 teams? 400 is too many but at least more realistic. But maybe if I lived up on Dakota Ridge it wouldn't bother me either. Many of those that have set out to exploit Steamboat for every last cent they can squeeze out of it will just pull up stakes and move, maybe you're one of them!

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colobob 6 years, 3 months ago

Co1, I'm not suggesting we give TC the boot. What I am suggesting is that there are reasonable limits to what this town can handle. There is also the need for a concrete committment as well as some capital investment by TC for additional fields. By the way I drive a small 6 cylinder and my wife drives a 4. No Hummers in my garage or in my future.

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colorado1 6 years, 3 months ago

colobob, I appreciate your candor. According to the above article,TC saw the reality of what SB can offer, and thats what brought all this up. They know SB can't handle the anticipated TC growth pattern. It's not likely that TC will produce a plan for investing capital to produce new fields or to fix up the old ones. They don't need to becuase they could and would find another place to play without such an investment. One scenario mentioned by TC in the article is to split the World Series into two locations which would keep the number of teams in SB at its current level. Another is to take it somewhere else. Those who took that as a threat are off base in my humble opinion. They are simply making a non-emotional business decision, as they should (and as SB should). My other humble opinion is that the since the revenue generated is substantial and thus the city benefits monetarily by a significant amount (that many zeros behind a dollar sign is substantial), and local businesses benefit, I hope that on some sane level there is a solution to keep them coming to SB. The city council has its hands full with a number of important issues all revolving around the problems with growth.
All tough issues.
I'm signing off. All the comments were interesting.

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dave reynolds 6 years, 3 months ago

I grew up in a small town in eastern Montana..we were called oil field trash..the oil boom left causing many busines to fold..when I lived there the pop was about 25000 when oil left it dropped to 12000..just an example of the same situation..think about what you wish for..once again you just might get it..

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dave reynolds 6 years, 3 months ago

once again you live in a destination resort..are you a generation local or a transplant like me?...I fall to see how TC affects the community except that thier tax dollars has helped paid for many of the ammenities we enjoy..but crap the traffic they are rude .ask yourself this is all the development here due to TC..we both know the answer.but id be willing to bet that most bussiness in town would see a drop in thier bottom line without TC being here

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another_local 6 years, 3 months ago

Well, this may come as a shock to those who follow who has what views; I have been a TC supporter.

If the plan is to go to 800 teams, I say pull the plug now and let's move on.

I am in favor of building new fields for some level of growth but double is too much.

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seabirth 6 years, 3 months ago

the article states that triple crown is bringing in an additional 40 teams this summer. was this discussed with the city prior to increasing team numbers? did triple crown just assume the fields (emerald) would be given to them?

regardless of your feelings on triple crown in general, if triple crown just increases teams without dicussing it with the city, we have problems.

triple crown likely will outgrow steamboat springs sometime in the future. what this means is that we work to broaden our summer-time economy so that we can be prepared for triple crown leaving the valley. we need to keep triple crown in the short-term (5-10 years) while working our tails off to bring other tourists and industry to the area so when triple crown leaves... we won't still be talking about the negative impact their leaving will have. long-term planning is our way out of being held over the barrel by triple crown.

to me it seems obvious that triple crown is looking elsewhere. this should be the city's wakeup call to get off their butts and stop being complacent that triple crown will keep bringing in the revenue. use the current revenue stream to attract and create new tourism opportunities.

for instance, vail and aspen have huge athletic events that attract people... and yet we let the world mountain running championship leave steamboat. that one event may not have brought a ton of revenue... but using it as a steppingstone could have been very good. we need to hold on to every event we can, even if they seem small now.

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424now 6 years, 3 months ago

Screaming Bon Scott!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2sxm19JZ8lg

Get to it boat, quit pussyfooting around and get down to it! Have a sit down with City Council and give them a piece of your mind. From the SSCC website;

The Steamboat Springs City Council meets on the first, second, and third Tuesday of every month at 5 PM in Citizens' Hall, 124 10th St. Special meetings are occasionally held as needed, on no set schedule.

They also have a message machine;

You may dial 970 871 7079 at any time of the day or night, and there leave voicemail which will be automatically delivered to the City's Public Information Officer. If you would like for a city staff member to return your call, please remember to leave your name and telephone number on the voice mail message.

Remember now rude lascivious or criminal calls can be traced. Remember now nothing in life happens unless YOU make it happen.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FR7fLk1kyKM

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SSPerson 6 years, 3 months ago

Simple problem - Simple solution. Let TC go. Then the city can create a "Tournament Coordinator" position. This position could arrange a manageable number of tournaments. The income from this could pay for the newly created position AND recreation enhancements. People would still come to Steamboat and spend money, but the city would be in control of the numbers and would not have Dave King holding them hostage.

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