Fred Duckels: Bypass needed

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— I have observed Steamboat Springs and U.S. Highway 40 for more than 60 years. I can remember times when one could look down Lincoln Avenue and not see a single vehicle. The traffic has greatly increased during this period, mostly after 1970.

It became obvious to me decades ago that at some point we would need a bypass to handle traffic through town. That time has come, as Lincoln Avenue now is approaching gridlock. Downtown Steamboat is undergoing renovation. There is a real effort to create an improved environment. The population and activity will only continue to increase.

Let's take a look at the reasons given for maintaining the status quo, and possible solutions:

1. We can handle traffic by using creative techniques.

Answer: For how long is this approach supposed to work? This appears to be a Band-Aid.

2. We have people between a rock and a hard place and they will be forced into public transportation.

Answer: Commercial and through traffic won't be using public transportation, but would certainly cause noise, pollution and chaos on Lincoln Avenue. It may take decades to develop a public transportation network to handle the traffic. Sparsely populated areas are probably not economical, yet many exist in the area.

3. Downtown Steamboat will lose business, and urban sprawl will result.

Answer: Captivating traffic is a poor way of doing business. Let those who need to use Lincoln Avenue do so. Sprawl is not likely.

4. We can't just pave our way out.

Answer: If there is a dollar to be made, someone is going to make it. Our economy will continue to grow. The bypass is needed for the future. I am irritated at the situation when I need to cross town. A bypass was near fruition 25 years ago when the merchants nixed the idea. Many have been inconvenienced throughout the years in order to subsidize local businesses. I feel that we have paid our dues. More traffic downtown will make it an increasingly undesirable place.

Our leaders have looked to CDOT to improve U.S. 40 west of town. I do not see the wisdom in this, when we seem unwilling to address the gridlock at 13th Street.

The discussion I hear is concerned only with solving the problems of today. In order to be responsible, we need to give ourselves a 50-year window. This projection will be difficult, but we must move forward.

Engineers will need to study and find solutions to traffic needs. To date, the climate seems to be "tell us that we don't need a bypass." A paid expert will tell you anything you want to hear.

I have heard many questions in regards to a bypass location. Going behind Howelsen would be unacceptable for trucks. It would be long with steep grades, and trucks climbing the grades would raise the decibel level, as would descending the grade with engine brakes.

My idea is to divert from U.S. 40 west of town, possibly using the James Brown Bridge. The bypass would then proceed east on the southwest side and adjacent to the railroad tracks. The road could then pass over the railroad near the Mount Werner intersection and rejoin U.S. 40. Sprawl isn't likely on this route.

Room is available in this corridor to construct a road. As with any construction project, neighborhoods would be affected. A large excavation will be necessary near the Depot Art Center to remove the hill. This would not be popular in some circles, but we have a responsibility to make decisions and solve problems in our time. Politics in Steamboat try not to offend anyone, but this plan needs to move forward immediately, as we already have delayed for too long.

The bypass proposition will find many supporters and much entrenched opposition. The way to have a voice at the table is to organize and demand to be heard. If this is of interest, call me at 879-6072, fax 879-6748 or e-mail Duckels@aol.com.

Fred Duckels

Steamboat Springs

Comments

blackthroatedwind 6 years, 4 months ago

Hey, commonsense, how about this idea. Lets let the local dump trucks drive down your street all day instead!

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sickofitall 6 years, 4 months ago

geez, lets just ruin the town. Go to So. California, come back to SBS, then think about the traffic.

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jack legrice 6 years, 4 months ago

Thanks Fred for bringing up that we tried 25 years ago. There were some of us who were trying to plan for the future. Examples Saved the Depot from demolition ,raising money for MRI machine,first 4 wheel drive ambulance and bldg. to house it, ice rink and roof. chair lift @ Howellson hill, bikepath. But the by-pass was put down by the merchants. Guess we were just a bunch of no good hippes. Town is stuck with this mess now. This is not going to go away.Fred has put out some ideas,we must start acting on this problem now. It is not going away We are not going to please everyone. Or we can hide our heads in the sand,let it go as it exisits. Then maybe people might get fed up and leave, which might be good. Jobs will be lost,people have to leave,end product less traffic. No need for affordable housing. This must be solved before 700 comes on line. It is not their fault that there is going to be an increase in traffic.It was the greed of downtown merchants years ago and lack of fore-sight by previous CC's.

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Harvey Lyon 6 years, 4 months ago

I say this tongue in cheek and certainly do not mean to lessen this serious problem.....only for the Sunday morning laugh...

Give Fred a couple of stick of dynamite and let him do the excavation......"Mountain.....what Mountain" lol

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ColoradoNative 6 years, 4 months ago

Amen Fred.

People are arguing over the triple crown, Steamboat 700 etc yet the core issue at hand is traffic down 40 no matter how you slice it.

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g4 6 years, 4 months ago

well if you have been watching traffic for 60 years here, I am sure it has gotten worse. Between 7:45-8:15 it is at its worst, and it can take me 20 whole minutes to get across town, there are people all over the country that spend 3 hours commuting to and from work, in such a bike friendly community I don't understand why more people don't commute...much faster and healthier.

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steamboatsconscience 6 years, 4 months ago

hey Fred any suggestions as to who should get the job?

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another_local 6 years, 4 months ago

Behind Howelson actually is not too steep. There were some drawings circulating last year that showed it could be done with a 4% grade. From 7/11 to Pine Grove road the distance behind Howelson was 2/10s of a mile longer than the US40 route through town and considering you would skip 10 stoplights, would be quite a bit faster.

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hubiem 6 years, 4 months ago

g4,

the problem with morning traffic is that all the lights downtown are timed to move traffic west, not east. if they would change the timing on the lights to move traffic east in the morning, and west in the evening, there would be much less of a traffic jam downtown in the morning.

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colowoodsman 6 years, 4 months ago

I never could agree with 'Fearless Fred' on anything but I guess if you hang around long enough anything is possible. But getting a bypass built along his proposed route is going to be a real 'up hill battle'. I understand that the geology around the 'Stinky Springs' is very unstable and that there are underground caves and other obstacles. There is also the issue of getting 'right of way' from the railroad. Then there is the problem of getting through Brooklyn. Can't use dynamite there! The only other route is clear around Emerald Mtn. Very, very expensive.

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jack legrice 6 years, 4 months ago

stirinup Thanks for the laugh. That was a good one. I remember it well.

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shenanigins 6 years, 4 months ago

I would rather wait in the 20, at the most, minutes of traffic, than to see more of this area destroyed by industry.

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papafu 6 years, 4 months ago

I would like to read some responses to marthalee's idea of making Oak and Yampa one-way in opposite directions. On the surface it seems like an inexpensive way of immediately dealing with the issue at hand.

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MtnWarlock 6 years, 4 months ago

steamboatsconscience, LOL! It will probably be a local contractor, you never know who?

stirirnuptrouble, LOL! I remember that well! colowoodsman, Good point made! oneski, How true about the issues of the time. Oversights on the increased transportation and growth must not have been anticipated.

All, A by-pass of any kind is going to be a major expense, either way you look at it. I can see that with Fred's vision, we would have issues of imminent domain by displacing all those who live in Brooklyn and Fairview, not to mention the loss of athletic fields, parking at Howelson and the core trail disruption! Sadly enough, where ever there is development for progress, somebody is going to loose in the process! Being that Hwy 40 is a state Highway, it can not be redirected anywhere. A road behind Howelson Hill, seems to be the reasonable objective so far. Either way we observe this issue, there is no easy way out! Open spaces may be compromised as well! That will not be popular. It's my opinion from what I've observed, we neglected to urban plan for transportation and population growth. It is also my opinion that there may have been influence from local business, in fear of business losses that would be suffered if traffic didn't flow past their businesses! We do have a traffic issue. I don't think things will change, until we change our driving habits and views on transportation as a whole. Until then, welcome to Metropolitan Steamboat Springs! We now have our own Hwy 40 crawl, like Denver has the I-25 five o'clock crawl.

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ybul 6 years, 4 months ago

Why not make Lincoln One Way East and Oak one way in the other direction. That way lights could be synchronized. West of the library could be made four lanes all the way through town and fix the light at 7 eleven.

Yes Oak street would be marginalized, but it probably would be the most cost effective solution.

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Books 6 years, 4 months ago

Nice try Fred. Too much stuff in the way these days. Triple Crown would be very unhappy if we wiped out their Emerald fields with a by-pass. 25 years ago it could have been done.

I like another-local's idea better, although it would be better to stretch the by-pass a little further and land at the Mt Werner interchange. It's already built to handle big traffic.

Google map

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grannyrett 6 years, 4 months ago

Traffic is so bad downtown that I never stop to shop. Just go straight through to get groceries or shop at Wal-mart. It's such a mess downtown that I'm not going to bother with it. Thirty years ago, you could always find a place to park and not have to put your life in danger crossing the street.

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handyman 6 years, 4 months ago

grannyrett - You put your life in danger getting in and out of your car.

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Martha D Young 6 years, 4 months ago

We need to look no farther than Fort Collins to see how a thriving city deals with downtown traffic. Although through-traffic can bypass F.C. via highway 14 and I-25, there is still considerable traffic on College Avenue. Streets on either side and parallel to College Ave. (Remington and Mason) are one-way in either direction. Parking downtown is challenging, but the merchants there seem to have thrived. Making Yampa and Oak Streets one-way in opposite directions could alleviate the Lincoln Avenue problem, and with very little cost. What happened to the money developers and business owners paid to the city to buy out their parking space requirements?

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mtroach 6 years, 4 months ago

Woody and Warlock, how do you propose going behind Emerald in a efficent manner? Through the new BLM's purchase, and into Dakota Ridge, or Agate creek? Good luck fighting the BLM and those millionares for access. Across the north side is really the only option for a quick, efficent, bypass, and the steepness of the eastern flank, and the river pose considerable problems for a inexpensive soluition. Not to mention the fight that the comunity will give when you try take away the open space, or build a road through a historic ski area. Then there is always the matter of funding, CDOT is not going to put up the millions to bypass steamboat when there are so many other projects in the state that need funding. Give up the quest for a bypass, Our traffic problems pale in comparison to those in other places. City folk would laugh if they drove in the traffic caused by steamboat's "rush hour".

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RinkRat10 6 years, 4 months ago

Tunnel into Howelsen by going in behind the Public Works garage and popping out by Alpine Lumber. Take the diggings and extend the runway so we can land a 757 at Bob Adams International. Run'em over Jimmy's bridge and out at Yampasaurus intersection(the gate's of asophus). Get Haliburton (they already have the equipment in CO)the realtors and lodging business to pay for it. We'll put hundreds to work, solve the bypass problem, solve the airport problem and keep Fred's and everyone's trucks moving for years.

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tom bedell 6 years, 4 months ago

this is a tough problem that we all need to face. the traffic in steamboat is only going to grow exponentially worse and lets face it, our infrastructure has always been lacking (the roads in steamboat where not built by the romans). the idea for a bypass is a logical solution but i don't see how we can make it work. while its encouraging that community leaders (like Fred) are working on viable solutions in the meantime we as responsible locals need to try to do our part. with gas hitting all-time highs now is a great time to try out alternative transportation solutions. by trying to do our part, even in a small way, we can make a difference. you'll be setting a good example for newcomers and you might find you don't even miss your car.

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summerbird 6 years, 4 months ago

No wonder nothing gets accomplished in the Boat! You think these comments are cute and clever? They come across silly and childish! DO YOU THINK THE TRAFFIC IS GOING TO GET BETTER BY IGNORING IT OR MAKING JOKES ABOUT IT? You must love the smell of truck fumes while you are sipping your margaritas at an outdoor table on Lincoln.

Come up with some constructive ideas that will actually work or go stick your head in the sand.

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Tammie Delaney 6 years, 4 months ago

Transportation is an issue that Vision 2030 is hearing lots of concern towards, both at the Gatherings last November and on surveys. (Vision 2030 is a County-wide citizen's led effort). If you haven't done so yet, please complete a Vision 2030 survey at http://vision2030routt.org/ (there's survey links at both right and middle of page). In reviewing past recommendations from the 1994 effort, all the recommendations that had a citizen's led component (e.g. PDR; First Impressions; Recycling among others) found great success--Transportation definitely needs a citizens-led component and kudos to Fred for bringing this forward! Please make sure your voice is included and visit www.vision2030routt.org -- more info is on the 'About' link on left of page!

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2007 6 years, 4 months ago

Everyone assumes that if a bypass is created it would be to enable the traffic to bypass the Main Street part of Route 40. Perhaps the money and time would be better spent to investigate building up Yampa and Oak as the two 'Main Streets" in town with more stores and restaurants there. These could remain very pedestrian and pleasant. How about directing efforts to get people off the 'Main Street" and allow it to be used for most through traffic and to build up businesses on the two other parallel streets and the side streets. These streets are more quiet and are more conducive to strolling and shopping and dining outside.
Think outside the box.

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thecondoguy1 6 years, 4 months ago

20 mile road people, 20 mile road, all trucks and commercial vehicles can divert to 20 mile road, just as easy to travers and only a bit longer than Bunny ears.........

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stompk 6 years, 4 months ago

I saw this in a dream about 15 yrs ago.

The bypass connected to hwy 40 at about where the new community center is.

It went into a raised bypass and crossed the river and stayed raised over the train tracks, and dropped back down just south of the train tracks at Howelson Hill, where it then connected onto river road and raised back up to cross the river just before entering Brooklyn.

Then it connected at the intersection where Freshies is. But instead of turning back onto 40 as it is now, the bypass continued up that new road that is there and somehow connected back to 40. I didn't see that part.

What I did see what highway 40 between Freshies and McDonalds was only accessible from the McD's side, and all that land between was nicely developed.

Keep this in mind, I dreamt about all of this, before that new stoplight was put in, before that new bank was put in.

First time I've written about it, because the end of the dream.

But anyways, that is what I saw. Maybe it will help.

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424now 6 years, 4 months ago

TCG1,

Wow, now there ya go! Divert the commercial traffic to twenty mile road. What do they call it when that is done?...Oh yeah a truck route.

Wouldn't it cost less to upgrade twenty mile road to accomodate high speed commercial traffic as opposed to installing a completely new bypass?

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fish 6 years, 4 months ago

Okay help me to understand the Twenty mile divertion, are you going to have them take 20-mile at 13th street, or out past Hogue's or at Milner or by the Hayden Power Plant and where will they tie back in with US 40 or are we just going to send all commercial traffic over Gore pass to Oak Creek to keep them completely out of Steamboat. Just trying to figure out how this is going to work.

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blackthroatedwind 6 years, 4 months ago

Fred Says: "Going behind Howelsen would be unacceptable for trucks."

Then Fred Says: "As with any construction project, neighborhoods would be affected. ...This would not be popular in some circles..."

Amazing, Fred, that you don't mind displacing residents of your own town, some of whom I know for a fact are your customers living in those neighborhoods, than to add extra time and cost to your hauls.

We need to address this problem, but displacing residents ain't the way to do it!

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Mark Traum 6 years, 4 months ago

Fred:

How many more drivers do you anticipate in the next 20 years? Will Steamboat's 2000 seasonal employees increase another 50%? Doubtful. Are they not the #1 employer and cause of the congestion? Appears so. Granted there are a lot of services based around Steamboat ( house keeping, property management, etc) It seems like we have reached critical mass, aka Tipping Point, to the traffic. To the point of where the free market takes over: What if new grocery stores and other 'essential' services started popping up west of SS? Could very well happen. The fleeting attempt at of Clarks at the present ACE Hardware was perhaps too early in the game. Shopping even in Hayden? Wouldn't a 700 homeowner head west to do their shopping too? As for rush hour: Their is such a thing in the working industry as 'flex-time'. Where by an employee can arrive at say 8:30 AM and still perform their tasks, such as housekeeping a major contributor to the single passenger trip traffic. What about HOV Lanes during certain times in the morning? I can understand Duckles' concern regarding wasted time spent in traffic traveling to and from jobsites, but I am sure those schedules can be adjusted and accommodated too. It is a new environment in the working world's job schedules. And will continue to adjust to the market conditions. Id o not see Brooklyn allowing a 3 or 4 lane through their humble little burg. Did you know that at least 350 of the vehicles parking at the Meadows yesterday were single passengers? This situation could have surely been mitigated by requiring those few to pay for parking if traveling alone, etc. There are many ways to adapt to the situation without encouraging more of the same.

Thanks for keeping the issue at the forefront. It is a serious challenge indeed.

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steamboatsconscience 6 years, 4 months ago

tunnel under Lincoln and bury the traffic , use oak and yampa for local traffic and make Lincoln a pedestrian mall with a cute trolley and cobblestones and t shirt and sunglasses kiosks in the middle and a glass canopy over it like Fremont St. in Vegas and have laser light shows at night for all them turists. then legalize gambling turn the Chadwick and FM Light into casinos and pay for it all! Hey I like it! of course then we cant run cattle down the street, but thats so 19th century.

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424now 6 years, 4 months ago

Fish,

I am going to look at the options keep an eye on this thread.

Thread,

On July 4th 1983 I left my family home in a little town of 20,000 residents for my tour of duty in the Army. I returned three years later to a town that had ballooned to the size 200,000. Needless to say there was no real effort to adapt the infrastructure of this little town. It took them twenty years to address their traffic issues. As they did Locals were pressured out of their homes with imminent domain to widen existing streets. I left that town and never looked back. I really don't want to see the same thing happen here. We need to address this issue now, not later, It will only damage the brand name and quality of life in Steamboat Springs.

The one way traffic idea can work for awhile but it is essentially a Band-Aid on a gutshot, it will serve only to hide the real damage. Truck routes are in place all over this country. Placed correctly they will divert traffic that has no business in the Boat.

Let's hear all the bypass ideas.

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colobob 6 years, 4 months ago

"Don't it always seem to go....................................................." I hear ya Joni!!

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thecondoguy1 6 years, 4 months ago

20 mile road folks, 20 mile road, they can get on it anywhere between Hayden and Milner, heck they can get on it at Maybell, as long as it's before Steamboat and after Steamboat, Gore pass is easier than bunny ears, let Kremmling worry about the "by pass", next. Divert the racket, the blight, and, the stink, let Mr. Druckles build a whole new road from the Utah border to Kremmling, as long as it's south of Steamboat by several miles..........................problem solved.........................

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SilverSpoon 6 years, 4 months ago

One solution, westbound oak, and eastbound lincoln.
Get rid of parking on lincoln. No cross traffic on lincoln either. The real joke is: craig already has what we need. One way traffic right through town.

Boulder also has a one way traffic around the pearl street mall, that would work too.

At third street, one way traffic, north only. ANd highschool students, and the 60% of parents who drive their children to school, will have to go west on oak first and then make a left hand turn onto lincoln. Also, lincoln should have a through lane.

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contrarian 6 years, 4 months ago

It will be interesting to see how much traffic reduction results from moving the post office.

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chevsincolo1 6 years, 4 months ago

a bypass seems to be the only answer. lets do it

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mtroach 6 years, 4 months ago

condoguy, will you please realize that our traffic problem is not from truckers wanting to bypass steamboat to access rabbit ears and beyond, it's all the commuters that live in hayden, and craig and work in the resort. Your 20 mile soluition will have no effect, just like any other soluition that is longer than the present route. The bypass just be faster, and more efficent, and would have to tiptoe through town on eggshells, and then the eggshell lobby will fight it till then end. This problem has only one soluition, get less cars onto the road by finding an alternate way of moving people.

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thecondoguy1 6 years, 4 months ago

I agree mtroach, the humans can levitate between Hayden and Steamboat, but those filthy noisy, crap belching dust tripping, shear ugly, massive commercial vehicles can just take the new 20 mile road commercial vehicle route..............problem solved......................................

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shadow 6 years, 4 months ago

Truckers not adding to the problem? With One Steamboat Place, Wild Horse, Ski Time Square, St Cloud, The Grand Addition, Edgemont, Thunderhead, plus private residences and other smaller multi-family and commercial projects, plus the roads & infra structure htese projects require all on the south side of town and the only gravel pit, concrete & asphalt plants as well as contractors yards, material suppliers and on the other end.

Sure the commuters add to traffic, so do grocery shoppers, post office patrons etc. So what? A bypass is needed and it won't happen until local leaders get the ball rolling. meanwhile any brainstorming ideas should be encouraged. There's not a simple answer.

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ColoradoNative 6 years, 4 months ago

It's time the city of steamboat/routt county do a study. Not one that costs $100,000. That seems to be the magic number.

I'm talking about an online survey for each resident to fill out. If people dont' have internet access then maybe a mailer is in order.

We need to get a grip on the local traffic patterns first. I believe the city contracted out money to some company on the front range but how do they know what my traffic patterns are? How do they know that the thousands of us do everyday in town?

It's time to get the people involved. We can all speculate on what the best solution is but until we have a good grasp on what the driving habits of the locals are we're just wasting our time and the city is certainly wasting or money on more BS studies.

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commonsense1776 6 years, 4 months ago

HEY how about a quick fix which will help but by no means is the true answer. PULL the illegal weight restriction signs from Brooklyn and let the local dump trucks drive threw the Commercial part of town.

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MtnWarlock 6 years, 4 months ago

Steamboat needs a bypass operation on its main artery and no health care plan will touch it! To costly! Poor Steamboat may just have to suffer a heart attack and die, from being to clogged with residents and tourists! The drug: Lipitor is not available on Steamboats HMO, so maybe a placebo can help remedy the situation. Oh, that's right. There are no placebos! I think our patient is heading into "big" problems! Prayers won't help this time. I think we need a Dr Marcus Welby MD or Dr Kylie MD to help. Oh yah, there to expensive! The HMO won't cover them because they're out of coverage specialists! Well, sell the farm, ranch, tractor and pick-up truck junior, we need a bypass and we need it now! Or, we can ask Bentley to sell the boat, Hummer, BMW and mini castle! LOL! Have a good one all!

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longtimelocal 6 years, 4 months ago

Commonsense,

How bout using some common sense as your title wrongly suggests. First of all, the "illegal" weight restrictions are indeed very legal, second Brooklyn has enough traffic already with Triple Crown and the commercial equipment that brazenly ignores those LEGAL weight restrictions. Lets send all that traffic down your street and see how that works. Brooklyn is one of Steamboats oldest neighborhoods, and any bypass solution would need to take that into account. We got a taste of traffic hell a few years ago when they bypassed highway 40 through River Road when they were repaving 40. Yikes! I am all for revamping traffic and creating a bypass, but anything that involves Brooklyn would be strongly contested.

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LocalYokel 6 years, 4 months ago

Use Yampa and Oak as traffic diversions. Allow flex time, I get to work in downtown from the mountain in 4-7 minutes at 8.30am. Be patient. Traffic that is high now may significantly be reduced once the downtown development projects are completed (less trucks/more parking space). Steamboat 700 will create another mini town west of Steamboat, which may even result in less traffic midtown. I find it ironic that a construction company proposes the bypass. Let's BE PATIENT, observe and adapt usage to our environment rather than start planning to tear out sides of mountains before we even know the outcome of the current developments in progress and how their completion will CHANGE the way traffic moves now...

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psnmn 6 years, 4 months ago

It's a one-road town. Cars go west. Cars go east. A lot of cars. What's gonna change?

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ColoradoNative 6 years, 4 months ago

It will only get worse psnmn.

Looking at google earth will help people visualize a bypass.

Click on satellite then the + sign to zoom in.

Twenty mile road connecting to river rd near werner seems like the way to go to me along with a dozen or so suggestions but this is the bypass thread.

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longtimelocal 6 years, 4 months ago

Knowitall,

Where do you live, so I can send the bulldozers to your trailer? What does historic have to do with anything?

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longtimelocal 6 years, 4 months ago

So lets see.........

I am being called a dumbass, yet I am not the one proposing that my home be bulldozed..... What would be your definition of dumb then? Or perhaps you rent and don't own. Why would someone ask that their home be bulldozed to make way for a bypass? Ok, sure call me what you want, but you are not making much sense.

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oofcboy 6 years, 4 months ago

hey condo guy noy only keep it south of steamboat but let 's keep way north of Yampa, by the way when the new mtn. owners get through there will not be a profitable downtown.Stay on the mtn. dont go down there we have all you need right here.

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oofcboy 6 years, 4 months ago

That will be their new theme song.You know the last part.

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mtroach 6 years, 4 months ago

I can see the request to CDOT; Could we have 10 to 20 million dollars to tunnel into the mountain in steamboat so that 4000 or so residents can have 4 or 5 min. of drive time removed from their commute? CDOT will ask why such a small popluation needs such a large sum of money to reduce the commute such a small ammount.

Now all you Bypass supporters please show CDOT why we should get that allotment of funding, and have some project on the front range that could effect 100,000+ drivers daily go unfunded. The bypass is unnessary, and will be too expensive to ever be built.

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jimloveswz 6 years, 4 months ago

Tunneling through Emerald....Hmmmm Regardless of how it's fixed it needs fixing.

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ColoradoNative 6 years, 4 months ago

Anyone ever seen a cost estimate for a by pass around Emerald? Through it?

Has it been done? Anyone have a rough idea what it could cost US?

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thecondoguy1 6 years, 4 months ago

20 mile road kids, 20 mile road, there are commercial vehicles that do not need to nor care to drive through downtown, cattle, timber, oil, gas, all sort of cartage does not need to go through town, 20 mile road commercial vehicle bypass............. problem solved....................

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commonsense1776 6 years, 4 months ago

OH my oh my I didn't mean to offend the red light district of steamboat. 'Ya I love history too, do you know yours'?
How serendipitous it is to have an opinion and to still not know what you're talking about, and base your argument by insults. Are you aware that according to the CDOT and the USDOT any weight restrictions must be indicated on maps and be posted before entering into the weight restriction zone, with at least one turn off which has no other restrictions. "Tree House Bridge" doesn't work for a turn off do to its height restrictions. The signs must also be accompanied by pre restriction signs at every possible turn off with in 5 miles. If the weight restriction was legal then the State and Federal government would recognize them. So while your signs are pretty they are not in the right place and don't meet the requirement set forth by the true governing authorities. Also according to CDOT/USDOT and not some Joe schmo (longtimelocal) before a weight restriction is place you must conduct a traffic impact survey, 'which is not who can yell the loudest,' that takes into account the road conditions, placement, traffic patterns, and roads construction. Funny 'our now' historic Brooklyn is located in what is now designated to be a light industrial zone. In accordance to that zoning the road base was altered and meets industrial zone protocol. Even 5th street Bridge was over engineered to take the extra weight of trucks.
What Brooklyn really is:. A group of people who went there for cheep land because of its proximity to the commercial zone. Now a few have taken it upon them selves to complain for living so close to a commercial zone, sighting that it brings down property values and puts their lives in danger. Sorry but Qwest was there before you were get over it. Yes you guys made a great buy and have seen the value of your land double over the past several years. But really you knew what you were buying into. Or did you neglect to study the cities zoning. I know some really great people who live in Brooklyn and to them I implore you don't let these few speak for you. I don't care if you agree with me just don't let these narrow minded few be your voice, you can do better. Oh and blackthroatedwind just so you know, the dirty dump trucks drive past my house every day and into the night, some even start before 7am, and the drivers know that I will call and report them if they go too fast past my kids. I understand that it's not the driver's fault that the wise second home owners of Steamboat blocked the building of a gravel pit on the south side of Steamboat; which incidentally would have cut down on the commercial traffic going through town every day, and cut their cost helping to make living and construction affordable in Steamboat.

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commonsense1776 6 years, 4 months ago

Have any of you taken a drive on 20 mile road ? What do you see? Signs asking truckers to use the Highway and tons of bikers, sorry but 20 mile is not the answer; Steamboat will experience even more growing pains in the years to come. Fred said nothing new for those who have grown up here, we already knew it.

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blackthroatedwind 6 years, 4 months ago

Commonsense, it sounds like you gotta real bone to pick with Brooklyn. What on earth are you talking about regarding Qwest, I have not heard anyone complaining about them. I personnally hope Qwest stays in Brooklyn, it keeps the developers away from building condo's like the junk they're building along Yampa St. And which truck do you own that you can't drive through Brooklyn anymore? Wouldn't be a water truck, would it?

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commonsense1776 6 years, 4 months ago

Over the years Qwest has had to put up with constant complaints as to their hours of operation, noise, and dust from their lot. Sorry blackthroatedwind not a truck driver, keep trying tho.

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blackthroatedwind 6 years, 4 months ago

Then what're you whining about 'illegal weight restrictions' for, commonsense, cause its in yer nature to be whiney? Doesn't sound like you got a dog in this fight. Don't live in Brooklyn, don't own a truck, just spouting off to read your spouts? And I reiterate, I'd much rather see Qwest than another fancy, overpriced development go in there!

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longtimelocal 6 years, 4 months ago

commonsense,

I am not sure what you are referring to in terms of learning our history. I was not yet born when dad built this house in Brooklyn in 1960. He grew up in Clark and then Phippsburg when his father moved to the valley when he was a small boy. Growing up here, it was dirt road, potholes big enough to swallow a Volkswagon and Treehouse was the new up and coming high dollar subdivision. Other neighbors have been here longer than I! So, please be careful when you lecture us on history, zoning and such. How long you been around? Wonderful things like Triple Crown zooming down our neighborhood were not even thought of yet. And, by the way, drive down the street with a piece of equipment that exceeds the weight requirements (as put in place by city council) and it will cost you 4 points, $100 fine for disregarding a traffic control device and it will stand up in court. We are not alone by any means by all the growth and traffic concerns, we all need to work together to come up with a long range solution for all of us. I appreciate your thoughts on the matter, I think the citizens of Steamboat need to have some studies done as to what (if anything) is financially feasible and works for all of us.

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