Highway 40 crash victim identified

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— A Craig woman killed in a Monday morning car crash has been identified as 24-year-old Teodora Diaz Simon. The Colorado State Patrol also identified a Steamboat Springs man injured in the crash as Russell Blackhurst, 30.

The State Patrol withheld the victims' names Monday while attempts were being made to notify their families. Blackhurst suffered serious skeletal, head and internal injuries in the crash, according to the State Patrol. Yampa Valley Medical Center spokeswoman Christine McKelvie said Blackhurst was treated and released from the hospital Tuesday.

The accident occurred at about 7:55 a.m. on U.S. Highway 40 near mile marker 119, about two miles west of Milner. According to police reports, Simon was driving a Honda Accord eastbound, and Blackhurst was westbound in a Toyota Corolla station wagon.

Trooper Kirk Gardner investigated the crash. Gardner said the Accord began to rotate counterclockwise while exiting a left-hand curve and skidded into the westbound lane, where it collided with the Corolla. Simon died of her injuries at the scene.

The crash was one of about a dozen in Routt County on Monday morning after overnight and morning snowfall. Although the weather likely contributed to the crash that killed Simon, a news release from Gardner also cited her speed and inadequate winter tires on her car as contributing factors to the crash. There was falling snow and snow-covered roadways at the time of the crash.

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Gladys 6 years, 4 months ago

unsafe vehicle, little to no knowledge of mountain driving...okay, I'll be the one to say it...was this woman licensed, insured and legal?

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little_liza 6 years, 4 months ago

Gladys, have you never hit a patch of ice and lost control? I know I have even with ten+ years of experience driving around Steamboat. It is called an accident for a reason. I highly doubt she intended on getting in a reck that took her life and injured someone else.

To the friends and family of all involved, my prayers are with you.

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id04sp 6 years, 4 months ago

No, liza, it's an accident when it cannot be foreseen and prevented by the persons involved. Being hit by a falling limb from a tree stuck by lightening is an accident. Being hit by a meteorite is an accident.

Driving too fast for conditions is negligence. Proof? Other people crossed exactly the same piece of road and did not spin out.

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steamboatsconscience 6 years, 4 months ago

Gladys A young woman is dead and you want to know if she is "legal"? (I think we all know what you mean) You are garbage

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snowski12 6 years, 4 months ago

The fact is that it is very terrible that someone died in this crash but it is even worse that the family of Russell Blackhurst has to deal with the fall out of someone driving on the road with no license and no insurance. I am a friend of Russ Blackhurst. He was trying to get to work and had his entire life turned upside down. He is having a difficult time dealing with the tragedy of what happened all the time while being in ICU and undergoing surgery for his injuries. Noone wants to hear of something like this happening--but the girl was an illegal immigrant and no matter if she was trying to better her life she still should have been responsible and follow the rules that the rest of us have to.

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Matthew Stoddard 6 years, 4 months ago

Gladys- I almost hit the Suggest Removal for your post but was hoping you'd expand on it some. Then, I just figured you obviously have no clue about life in general so I leave your post alone for people to use as an example of how not to use a brain.

Unsafe vehicle- Since it doesn't say what year or the condition of her Honda Accord...Google safety ratings for Accords. They are usually given the highest ratings and are tried & true winter driving vehicles. Inadequate snow tires means what? Were they bald? Were they just All Season like I use each winter for the last couple of decades? She was going too fast for conditions. Wow! I can point out people doing that on a daily basis that have lived here for decades.

Little to no knowledge of winter driving- She was from Craig but doesn't say how long she's lived here. She was going too fast for conditions. Wow! I can point out people doing that on a daily basis that have lived here for decades, also. How does that automatically mean they don't have the knowledge?

Must be a nice view from that pedestal keeping you above the rabble.

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tropicalmonster 6 years, 4 months ago

Gladys, Gladys, Gladys

What a bright comment you posted!

i feel deep sorrow for you, you just showed to Routt County your ignorance and lack of common sense. You should get out, travel and meet people. This will open your eyes and your mind, try to meet people from all ways of life.

Do yourself a favor...get out of the bubble.

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Gladys 6 years, 4 months ago

Just because I have the balls to say what others are thinking does not make me garbage. I have seen some of the "commuters" from Craig - they are dangerous in the summer, let alone the winter.

Now read the post from snowski 12 and you will understand what I am saying and why.

I'm sorry a life was lost - and I am also sorry for the life that has been turned upside down because some people live outside the law.

Some of you should be ashamed for continuing to look the other way to avoid a conflict or be called a name...and others do indeed need to break out of the bubble. I am talking reality. Why should anyone living here illegally be permitted to disobey every law a legal citizen has to follow. You people had better open your eyes.

I'm sure Mr. Blackhurst at least had auto insurance - that may help him a little with his medical bills. Since he is a working man, he would not be entitled to free health care. That would be reserved for...well, you know... I hope he recovers quickly without too much financial destruction

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Matthew Stoddard 6 years, 4 months ago

Good job, Gladys! I've got 2 more feet if you think those will fit in your mouth after that last statement. You see, I read the article never actually seeing that it said she was an illegal or without insurance. WHY would I automatically think those things of her? Why would you?

"what others are thinking..." No...what YOU were thinking. As for steamvent's comments- why should I believe an anonymous person saying she was illegal & without insurance without proof? And why the hell would you automatically assume Blackhurst had auto insurance? I know quite a few people (again- living here for decades) that don't have insurance. All of them live here legally. That's what the Colorado Tort Insurance change a few years back helped exacerbate.

Don't forget that at the end of the article it says it was one accident out of about a dozen that day. Do you automatically assume the other accidents that day were all illegals and without insurance? While you're at it, you may as well speculate this was a coordinated Al-Qaeda attack just to humble us idiotic Americans.

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Gladys 6 years, 4 months ago

Cut the Almighty crap - I said it because I knew it to be fact. I didn't have to assume anything. We have an illegal problem and I am tired of people like you trying to pull the discrimination card. Immigrants need to be documented, learn the language and follow the law - it is the American way...and I don't care what country they come from or what color their hair is...they need to be documented, learn the language and follow the law. Why should an American citizen suffer in his own country over the actions of someone who is not here legally, flying under the radar and doing what they damn well please? Wouldn't you sleep better at night if you first defended your own people and your own country rather than always jumping to defend an illegal citizen who doesn't give one crap about our great country?

You are so quick to be digusted by my anger over this situation...and in return I am disgusted by your lack of concern for the man with the big medical bills. What a nightmare. And I know if a legal citizen has no insurance, you can at least sue for damages and get a little help - but can you sue an illegal...and if you can, will they stay in town, or change their name and move on. Yep, what a nightmare...and you are part of it.

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fish 6 years, 4 months ago

Well Gladys if you knew it for a fact why did you pose it as a question in your original post. Usually someone who already knows the answer to their question don't post the information as a question. Not attacking you just curious why you would post it the way that you did. Please explain. I dont see anywhere in any of your previous posts where you claim or even insinuate that you have inside or otherwise information about this accident other than what was written in the article.

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charlie 6 years, 4 months ago

Thank you Glayds for sticking up for Russ. I know for a fact that the police said the young woman that was killed was illegal with no license and no insurance and yes Russ carried car insurance. I wonder how the people that are putting you and your comments down would feel if they were the ones that received the phone call telling them to go to the hospital because their loved one was in a bad car wreck. How would you like to see your love one come in and not know if they were going to live. Russ went through hours of surgery and he and his wife have had their entire lives turned upside down. His medical bills will be astronomical, he will not be able to work while he is healing but he still has bills to pay. Yes this was an accident but I for one feel that if you are going to live in the USA you should have to follow the same rules and laws that the rest of us have to follow. Immigrants need to be documated learn English follow the law pay taxes or they do not belong here. Why should they get a free ride while the rest of us have to pay their way. I for one am tried of it.

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little_liza 6 years, 4 months ago

I agree with the imigrant statements...to a point..

I cant believe that you are arguing/comenting about imigration issues.

I do feel sorry for Rus and his family but, who are you to judge the deceased?

Imigration issues aside.... One person dead, another injured!!

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stompk 6 years, 4 months ago

A friend of mine was killed in a car accident in Mexico some years back, and it killed a Mexican national too.

Hope they didn't blame my "gringo" friend.

Having said that, I have done that drive many times.

There are alot of angry drivers out there who will ride two feet off your bumper, just to get to the stoplight ahead first.

Legal, and illegal.

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Gladys 6 years, 4 months ago

I posed my comment as a question to see who would jump to the conclusion that I was "assuming" this person was illegal based on no fact (as reported by this fine paper). I already knew the answer. I am sorry this young woman lost her life, but that does not make it okay that she was driving with no license and no insurance. Judging the deceased? Give me a break. If a criminal is killed or injured in the midst of committing a crime, we should automatically erase their crime because they were killed or injured? You can bet your sweet bippy that if an American citizen moved illegally to any other country and proceeded to break every law, they would not be treated so kindly as illegals are treated here.

As for Mr Blackhurst...I am wondering when all the illegals and their American supporters are going to throw a fundraiser to help him and his wife get back on their feet...or to be more blunt, help him get all the medical attention he needs, keep from losing everything, trashing his credit and destroying his life. Pehaps there is an American attorney that would help Mr. Blackhurst sue the local, state and federal government for allowing this to happen.

Sure, accidents happen all the time. And there are all sorts of idiots driving like...idiots. But fortunately, or I guess unfortunately in this day and time, legal citizens can be held accountable for their actions, illegals cannot.

To all you bleeding hearts, you are only making the situation worse. You continue to turn your back on your fellow Americans to come to the rescue of the criminals raping and pillaging our country. You are brewing a Civil War. My rose colored glasses came off on Boycott America day. I have had enough of the crap and I am not alone. You people need to read the news - there are illegals committing serious crimes across this country - and walking away unscathed. When are you going to take a stand for your own?

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dundalk 6 years, 4 months ago

Gladys: Your assertions with regard to the female driver are correct.

I believe someone posted about the term "accident" as it parlayed towards this incident. Accidents happen, and as we all have driven in snow, it should be all to clear that the road and weather control a great bit of our commutes to and from our jobs, etc.

That being said, it just makes sense that we, as drivers, would take all necessary precautions in order to procure a slight upper hand when driving in adverse conditions. That means a car that runs well, safety measures intact and decent weather tires to give proper road traction. This was not the case for the deceased.

Much has been brought to light of late regarding illegal immigrants and driver's licenses. The debate is very hot with our future presidential candidates. This young lady did not have the valid documents and that is a fact. Did the lack of proper documentation cause her to have an accident? No. Did improper equipment and unsafe driving habits cause this accident? Yes.

It would foolish to assert that just because she was illegal, unlicensed and driving a faulty vehicle that she had a greater chance of causing an accident. There are plenty of Americans who drive without the above as well. Is there a greater propensity for illegals to commit these types of vehicular infarctions? Probably yes.

I worked on Russ when he came into the hospital and he was devastated upon hearing of the victim's demise. Although it was not his fault, he felt great sorrow for the other person. He is a decent man and just happened to be at the wrong place at the wrong time. When his physical injuries heal, he will still be left with the reality that another person's life is over.

We see, over and over, the results of careless driving and when the police and other law enforcement personnel beg, in fact plead us to drive more caarefully, why is it that we can't?

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flotilla 6 years, 4 months ago

Scott- You are WRONG. Call this forum whatever you please but the only thing that is "clear" is that TAX-paying, LAW-abiding citizens are getting SCREWED. Check this out:

"Bustos told the magistrate that he has driven for five years without a license and without insurance. A few minutes later, he is behind the wheel again and when asked about why he was driving when he didn't have a Colorado license, he shrugged." http://www.thedenverchannel.com/7newsinvestigates/10945705/detail.html

Great point about bringing up Heather- because had she hit someone- SHE would have paid up and faced the consequences- just like you would or I would. The only reason I shouldn't just drop my insurance and drive around without insurance is because I own my car and my home. Those things would be taken away if I were to act so irresponsibly. It is about being HELD ACCOUNTABLE. Just because immigration - not just illegal immigration Scott- helps and expands our economy, doesn't mean these people, who make up now 11% of our population can't still work and pay taxes. now, they take our money and do they spend it here Scott? NO. They don't buy houses, they don't contribute to the schools, to the roads, to the police force. They send it home. And there they improve the quality of life in say, for example, Mexico. I am sure you are thinking- Racist but this is just simply NOT SO. I like these people fine, I could care less if they are from Jamaica, Mexico, Russia, Canada or the Mongolia. But I don't feel as though my tax dollars should pay for their children to be born here, for them to be INCARCERATED here. I really don't mind paying for their education, Scott. Fine. But as a healthy, employed, youthful person I pay a combined $350/month in just my health, car and homeowners insurance. I don't have a spouse, a child, or any health problems.
http://www.house.gov/garymiller/IllegalsCost2005.html

YOU have a lot of nerve to write what you have. I could do without poorly built homes, and I have plenty of friends that work in the service industry that pay taxes and speak english and know how to frame a house STRAIGHT. all the immigrants that I personally know have taken the time and MONEY to become legal and I appreciate their services. And they don't drive with bald tires or without insurance. And they are fabulous people. Tell me that 3 million dollar vacation homes wouldn't be built here if not for our illegal immigrants. they would, rest assured. but they would probably be built better and maybe even cost those people a bit more money. poor them, I guess they'd have to cut down on a couple thousand square feet.

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dundalk 6 years, 4 months ago

Gladys ;)...I do not disagree with you on any of the points you have raised. In fact, I defend you.

My only comment is that there are also legal, licensed and insured people who have bald tires, drive poorly for the road conditions and cause traffic accidents. Illegal immigrants do not have a hold on careless driving. I don't think its a DNA deficiency but rather a complete lack of accepting responsibility overall.

Personally, I do not believe that illegals should be given driver's licenses. I think uninsured motorists need stiffer penalties as it is painfully obvious that what we have in place now isn't working.

My sense of seeing Mr. Blackhurst was that he had sorrow because a human life was ended and not the immmigration status of the deceased.

How are you by the way?

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Gladys 6 years, 4 months ago

Aside from fury, I am fine - thanks for asking.

I agree there are many "legal" citizens driving illegally. The difference being that they will be held accountable in a situation such as this. What is the penalty for driving without a valid license?

I cannot imagine being in the Blackhurst shoes. As I said, aside from his own pain and suffering, his sorrow for loss of human life, he will have added financial woes that COULD destroy his life...all because our system is so terribly flawed to allow driving privileges to someone who cannot be held accountable and financially responsible for their actions. If I were in his situation, my first response would not be legal status either - I would be sad for the loss of life first and grateful to be a survivor. Then later, when the unpaid bills started mounting, I would be concerned about losing everything I had worked for...and angry that it was taken by a flawed system. I am not however living his nightmare. I am looking in from the outside. My brain is flooding with the what ifs and I am furious. Tell me Mr Blackhurst will be okay, he will receive the necessary medical care and his bills will be paid. Tell me his pain and suffering will be a result of a terrible accident, not an illegal driver - then I won't be so darn mad. Until then, I will continue to be the heartless and callous person to speak up every time an illegal causes pain and suffering for a legal American citizen. And to show an ounce of humanitarian concern, who in this flawed system thinks they are protecting/helping illegals by allowing them to live under these conditions? Our teens get driver's ed when they start driving - a test for license, a safe vehicle and high dollar insurance...but it's okay to give someone from a flat, dry country an unsafe vehicle to make their way through the mountains in the snow to a low paying job. And tell me if they care that a young woman lost her life because she was permitted to drive under these conditions. The truly disgusting part of this problem is that the illegals are left outside the law because of $$$. They work cheap and pad the pockets of their employers. No one really cares about their safety or well being - they care about all the money they are making. No one cares if an illegal has fled his own country because he is a dangerous felon. No one cares if they are milking our system...afterall, there are plenty of legal taxpayers to keep the pot full. No one cares for their safety or ours. This is creating a dangerous and volatile situation for legal AND illegal citizens.

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Gladys 6 years, 4 months ago

pt - you are correct - the illegal information was withheld from the news article - I guess they were trying to prevent an uprising.

I still say Mr Blackhurst should sue the local, state and federal government for allowing this to happen. Money talks.

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OnTheBusGus 6 years, 4 months ago

I know that some illegals purchase a vehicle where the license plate is left on. Perhaps the tags don't expire for months. They will drive that vehicle until ????. I know this because it happened to a friend in Denver. The vehicle she had sold was found abandoned and she was contacted by authorities. It was a dumb mistake of her to leave the plates on as it is legal to drive a vehicle without any license plate at all 36 (I think) hours after a sale as long as the purchaser has a bill of sale on them. Another friend who lives here went to Denver with his temp tag displayed in the license plate area. Total small town Steamboat move! That was stolen off his vehicle and Denver police say it happens all the time. The illegals use the temp tags in their vehicles that they never register so they can keep driving without suspicion. Maybe we need more random road blocks to check for insurance and registration. That was often done in New Mexico when I lived there. The police would check for licenses, registrations, insurance and seat belt use. Of course they sometimes found intoxicated drivers as well. New Mexico was or probably still is one of the states with a huge uninsured driver problem.

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jlkar 6 years, 4 months ago

Gladys, thank you for bringing these concerns to the forefront of this small forum. It is amazing how things are tied together when it comes to illegal immigration these days. Not only pertaining to the workforce and the economy, the taxes legal citizens pay that covers birth, medical, and inversely more secure borders, etc. but most importantly the safety of ourselves and our familys. What to do? He should sue local, state and federal govs... maybe shed some light on this growing problem. the sad thing is... what else will attract the attention the issue needs?

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fedupidaho 6 years, 4 months ago

I am disgusted in some of the remarks I am seeing, The fact about the accident are true, the State patrol was following Russ and saw the accident. The other car came around the corner and the driver lost control, Russ had no time to stop. The report states that the driver who lost her life was going to fast for conditions and had tires that were not adequate for the conditions. The other "FACT" given to Russ was that the driver of the other car was in the state illegally, had no insurance or a driver lic. So why was she on the road? The fact of the matter is, Yes maybe she was illegal or maybe she was in the process of getting her legalization I don't know and I don't care right now. But she should not of been driving with out insurance or a driver lic NO ONE SHOULD! Yes Russ did have Auto Insurance so the accident will be on his bill, which could cause his rates to go up at a later date. The rest of his medical bill will go against his Health Insurance and he has to pay a high detectable. He just started his carrier after graduating earlier this year, so now because some one was driving with out Insurance and a driver lic. He has been set back in his carrier field. He has School Loans to pay back, Rent, Oh and don't forget Insurance to pay for. So lets think about this, If this happened to you or your family members how would you feel right now? Are you still okay with people who don't insure the vehicles because th is one of the main reason 's that your Auto rates are so high. How safe do you feel right now knowing the next time your in an accident, you may be paying the whole thing yourself because the person who hit you may be uninsured.

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Gladys 6 years, 4 months ago

A suit against the government can be brought - it has been done before - over illegal immigration. However, I am sure it will be lost as it has in the past. Truly the only thing it would accomplish is to bring publicity to the matter...which can be a good thing. It would take a decent, human attorney to take on such a case because there would be no money to be made.

You are right about the Pilot. I know of crimes committed by illegals that are never even mentioned. I have heard with my own ears from local LE that they could take a huge bite out of the drug problem if they could get rid of the illegals. Unfortunately, as long as the many people keep looking the other way or standing in defense of the illegals, we will have more crime, more drugs and more horrific accidents. If I could be granted only one illegal wish...it would be documentation. That alone would solve many problems. You are right, pretty sad that this is what America has come to. Covering up for illegals is making a bad situation worse. I can feel the rebirth of racism coming out of people that abhor the thought. Our government will be the cause of the next Civil War.

And to the Pilot - just do your job. The people always find the news and you only make yourself look incompetent and biased when you do not report the whole story.

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Gladys 6 years, 4 months ago

You people give me a headache. Strong emotions blur the truth? Just so happens, the strongest emotion I hold is Love - how does that blur the truth? In addition, I am far from an extremist...and added to that, this thread is not about me and my strong opinion...it is about an illegal causing a horrific accident, leaving a legal citizen's life in turmoil. The problem is not that this young woman was mexican, the problem is she was here illegally, thus driving with no license and no insurance.

scott - once again, someone pulling the race card. Why do you automatically assume that all illegals have a different color skin than white? This is not about color, it is about legal vs. illegal. And tell me why you think everyone and their brother should be afforded the privilege of living in a resort community? There is plenty of affordable housing outside of town. And sorry, but I do not see the need for "service workers" correlating with illegal immigration. Are you saying illegal immigrants are the only people suited for service work?

I'm done with this thread - I tried to show you both sides of the illegal immigrant problem, but obviously you people are stuck on race and hate issues. Some people just have steel traps for minds.

My parting sentiment is well wishes for the Blackhursts - I hope they come through this with support from family, friends and community and once again, I am sorry for the loss of life - legal or illegal - my condolences to the family.

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Tim Kjera 6 years, 4 months ago

I contacted the reporter who did this story, last week, when I learned of some of the details that were never reported. His LAME excuse, was that the accident investigation wasn't complete and he could not say if the allegations of no driver's license, no insurance and illegality were true or untrue. He wanted ME to provide him with contact numbers to check out the facts. So far, no facts, and a real lack of truth regarding this accident.

The Pilot and Craig Daily Press should be taken to task to provide us with information about this accident. What are they trying to hide?

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Brian Smith 6 years, 4 months ago

Now that the forum has changed topics...first, I am sorry for the life lost, that is truly sad. Mr. Blackhurst, good luck to you in your recovery. As for illegal immigrants, I have been to Mexico City, and I understand why they want to come to the US!! However, it has to be done legally. Friend of mine is a DEA agent, he says that 95% of people he busts, (and they are not looking for the casually drug dealer) are illegal immigrants selling drugs to our children. This should make everyone angry!!

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Michael Brumbaugh 6 years, 4 months ago

Several posters have stated that it is a "fact" that she was illegal, but NO ONE has offered any proof of that yet. Why is that? And why would gladys in the very FIRST comment make that assertion (please let us know how you had the inside info)? Based on the woman's name?

And, how is saying "Mexicans are bad drivers" any different from saying "Negros are lazy". Is there impirical evidence of this? And, how ignorant is that kind of statement anyway? Thanks, Matt, for letting us see that "by their fruit you will know them"...

Interesting that the same kind of vehemence about "bad drivers" hasn't arisen regarding the woman who caused the crash on Saturday (see other discussion thread).

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Michael Brumbaugh 6 years, 4 months ago

Ummmmm, ok. If the police officer released info that she was an illegal resident to his "friends" or even a medical person working on Mr. Blackhurst, wouldn't that at best be inappropriate, and at worst, illegal? It doesn't seem that that would be information important for them to know, would it? I'm just asking here.

I could see why someone might tell Mr. Blackhurst about her not having insurance, but is it appropriate for a police officer to do this?

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Michael Brumbaugh 6 years, 4 months ago

If police reports are public, then why hasn't the paper gotten the info yet? Is there a waiting period before it's made public? Can all police reports, regardless of the content within them, be so accessed by the public? Can someone speak DEFINITELY about this (meaning - YOU are an officer or know the law yourself and can quote it)?

And, it would certainly be more effective if the people saying "I know this for a FACT" would give corroborating evidence of how they know before launching into tirades. It would add a lot of credibility, dontcha think? Hopefully, we'll see that...

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snowski12 6 years, 4 months ago

The police report is public record. Go get it for yourself. I also called Brandon Gee who reported on the story and was told that he was trying to get the police report before printing anything in the paper. This was 5 days ago. He has not returned calls and it is my assumption that he doesn't plan on printing anything more concerning this story. I didn't want him to report on the story to start a firestorm but I do think it is important that we know what can happen and has happened when people drive our roads without proper licenses and insurance (whether thay are illegal or not!) But I really think we all know that a large number of illegal immigrants are driving the roads without proper documents. Here are the facts......someone died and no matter her legal status it is a horrible-horrible tragedy. The Blackhurst family has to deal with the reprocussions of someone not having insurance to safeguard the person that they hit. I feel horrible for the woman who died and for her family but I feel worse for the person who has to live with the injuries and outcome of this accident. Something like this never completely goes away....I wish our community would come together to support the Blackhurst family instead of fighting about immigration issues. Does this issue concern me? Yes......because I do not want to see another family have to go through what the Blackhursts are going through now. I hope the family doesn't read these posts.

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Gladys 6 years, 4 months ago

Let me try a more sensitive approach with you - the hell with the safety of legal American citizens (which by the way, includes ALL races) and let's just look at the illegals. Do you really think it kind to just turn them loose in a foreign country, not knowing the language, not knowing the laws? Paying them sub standard wages knowing our cost of living? Allowing them to pile 12 people into a 2 br condo...allowing them to operate a powerful and deadly machine with no experience? Our society is so big on education - we offer a class on everything imaginable. We obsess on educating our children on everything from predators to driving to sex, drugs and alcohol...would you consider for one moment turning your child out into the world with no knowledge...and in a foreign country to boot. You think you are helping illegals by just looking the other way or learning a couple of friendly phrases in their language? Have you ever actually considered their struggle or is your view blocked by that race card you keep pulling in front of your eyes? You are not helping these people, you are hurting them. And...you are hurting American citizens. You know, not all illegal immigrants are nice families trying to make a better life for themselves. Some are actually very bad people who have fled their own country's law. These people will continue to be bad people here...and even more likely as they are not documented. And thanks to our great country they can drift from town to town endlessly. Do I think all illegals are heinous criminals and need to be deported? Absolutely not. They do need to be documented and if they have nothing to hide, then they have nothing to worry about. We have heinous criminals too...but at least they are documented. They need to be vaccinated - do you realize they don't even know about vaccinations? Why don't you care that disease is being carried in? They need to learn the language and the laws - for obvious reasons. They need to be paid a fair wage and invest their fair share into our country (some call it taxes). If they want to call America their home, then BE Americans...otherwise call it a vacation spot and come for short visits. We already have immigration laws in place - they need to be followed...ironically by our own government and law enforcement.

And one more...

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Gladys 6 years, 4 months ago

So now we have a horrific example of how YOUR way is working. You have lost the life of a young woman and destroyed the life of a man just entering his prime. If we would have done it MY way, that young woman would have passed a driving test (just like all the rest of us have) to obtain her license...which could very well have saved her life - knowledge. She would have likely had insurance which would have covered her victim's losses, saving his life - responsibility and accountability. This is only one example in one very small town - I wonder how many other stories didn't make the news across the country? How many were much worse? And how many more of these examples would you like to see before you finally get it? The illegal problem is a terrible situation for legal and illegal citizens...and all you want to do is divide the country with your race card. Brilliant.

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flotilla 6 years, 4 months ago

OH and Scott, affordable housing? I know P-L-E-N-T-Y of people who make s#$t for money that figured out how to get their foot in the door. Sure, it takes some saving, a mortgage, and a little something we hard-working people call "responsibility" and not "entitlement".

if you can't live here, leave. the roads go both ways. and as you can see on the above post, all the money we spend on illegal immigrants could go toward teachers, firefighters, policemen etc. and then they could stay too.

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Gladys 6 years, 4 months ago

Which by the way is why people like me are so pissed off. You people keep planting that race seed so the illegals can feel anger and hatred toward Americans while we begin feeling anger and hatred toward the illegals as they treat our country with arrogance and disrespect...then we can destroy everyone and everything in our country with a Civil War. Nice plan.

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Michael Brumbaugh 6 years, 4 months ago

Wow, gladys...you sure put a LOT of words in my mouth that I never said, nor even implied. You group people into broad categories and you don't seem to see that.

I didn't pull any "race card". I made a comparison based upon your generalizations. I could have said "all blondes are dumb" instead. Same point.

You have NO idea how I personally and individually feel about immigration issues. None. But, you certainly have strong opinions, which I am always leery of, since the truth is usually found in the middle, not the extremes. I believe strong emotions easily blur the truth. You don't see any "disgusted" or "angry" or "pissed off" or "fury" reactions in my comments.

I believe it was one of our great spiritual leaders who said or quoted from holy writings, "In many words, there is much sin". I do try to be mindful of that.

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Scott Wedel 6 years, 4 months ago

The blatant racism of this region is clear for all to see in these discussion forums. If the victim of an accident is a white local then there is much sympathy. If the victim is an immigrant, legal or illegal, then there is no sympathy, only blame.

Driving too fast for the conditions happens all the time around here. Tricky part, as the pregnant woman of Oak Creek found out a couple weeks ago, is that the safe speed can dramatically change around the next corner.

There is a lot of nerve in this community to have minimal local affordable housing, pages of ads for workers needed by the local service industry, and then complain about illegal workers in our region.

We have created an economy in which we need them and big business has fought to keep the cheap labor. We have baby boomers approaching retirement, huge budget deficits and a desperate need for younger workers to replace retiring boomers and the only solution this nation has been able to devise is to allow illegal immigration.

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flotilla 6 years, 4 months ago

and bus drivers.

Charlie, We will all keep him in our thoughts and prayers, know that more people than you think are doing so. thanks for the information.

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charlie 6 years, 4 months ago

What people need to remember in this whole ordeal is that a young man was serioulsy injured and has spent hours in surgery to try and help fix some of the injuries that he recieved. And don't forget about the pyhsical and mental pain that he has had to go through. This horrible accident has taken so much from him. He has lost his ability to work at this time and earn a living so he can pay his bills and school loans. (He was just starting a new career and a new job.) With his injuries we don't know how long he will not be able to work and this is a young man that loved his job and wants to work. He has always been a very active person and not being able to move around much and do things with his wife and family has been very hard on him. This accident put him and his family and friend through hell. The police did not think that Russ would live when they saw him at the accident scene. They were surprised to learn from his wife that he was going to make it.
The information about the young women is correct. This information was given to Russ, his wife and family while they were at the hospital.
As for the reporter not putting this information in the paper I fully understand that he would want to see the police report and make sure the information that he reports is correct. I called and talked to him yesterday and he is still tyring to get the police report so he has all the fact in black and white. I do hope that he will write another article on this accident so people will know the truth about what happend. I hope the residents of Steamboat will keep Russ and his family in their prayer as they have a long road to go and need all the support that they can get. And for you who would want to know how I have this information. I am one of the family members that was going through the Hell of not knowing if my son-in-law was going to live or not. Please keep Russ in your prayers

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parnelie 6 years, 4 months ago

I think we all can learn from this tragic accident. I travel from the airport to steamboat 5 to 7 times a day when the jet service is running and I have seen my fair share or accidents. When I arrive on the scene I do not ask for their green card first, it is all about helping the victims period. I hope that I dont get to that point in my life that I have to stop and think ; are you legal or not. I will treat you all the same if you are in need. The only person that someone has to answer to is the man upstairs. As for the gentleman that "survived", we are praying that you have a full recovery. I aslo know that Twenty Mile is going to do its best to help you, and I know that from being there before. If there is some thing that the family needs just post it here and there is enough people reading this that we should be able to help.

sorry to ramble but it took me one and a half hours to read all of this CRAP and the true fact is that someone SURVIVED. That is the important fact.

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Gladys 6 years, 4 months ago

Just unbelievable - I wanted to be done with this thread, but I cannot let this last comment go. Where in the world did you come up with the idea that ANYone would not help an accident victim if they were not legal? Who said anything about asking for a green card before help is given? That is ridiculous. Even people who are against illegal immigration view these people as human beings first. My anger over this situation stems solely from the burden of responsibility landing fully on the Blackhursts...because the person causing the crash was driving illegally, with no insurance. I think it's a shame a young woman lost her life...in my opinion because no one cared enough to educate her on winter mountain driving. You people stand ready to defend illegals, but can't be bothered to help them assimilate. You talk the talk, but don't walk the walk. Stop trying to make us out to be heartless ogres - we want legalization for the safety of ALL human beings involved.

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Michael Brumbaugh 6 years, 4 months ago

I think any feeling person here is sad when tragedy happens to others.

Ummmm, and gladys, perhaps people wouldn't be "attacking" you if you hadn't made the "Mexicans are bad drivers" comment. By your fruit you will know them...

Innocent question. I'm really trying to make a little sense of this thread without accompanying emotions. If I'm a LEGAL citizen but UNINSURED driver, and I cause an accident and I am killed in that accident, who would the victim be able to pursue for recompense? My family? If I'm dead and uninsured, is there really a difference whether I'm a legal or illegal citizen?

Again, don't flame me. I'm trying to find a rational answer to better understand these points of view.

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raver 6 years, 4 months ago

wow-an accident happened,whether the victim was Mexican,Irish italian,.....Whether she was legal or not,she was a person with a life...thank god we have paramedics and medical staff who don't judge the people they treat.

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bikegirl 6 years, 4 months ago

Why does it matter whether this young woman was legal,why should her racial background have anything to do with her being in an accident.I am grateful that when I was a car accident victim many years ago,I wasn't asked my nationality first.My thoughts and prayers go out to the families and the victims here.

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grannyrett 6 years, 4 months ago

Yes, you can file a suit against the estate of an individual. Problem is, if there is an estate in this case, it would probably be in Mexico. Good luck.

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charlie 6 years, 4 months ago

pt22 I know that there is something in the works I am just not sure about the details. There should be a posting soon letting everyone how they can help. I want to thank the police, paramedics, the people at the scene of the accident and the hospital staff for everything they did to help Russ. I also want to thank the people of Steamboat for their support to Russ, Julie and their family through this horrible ordeal. Your support to them has meant alot to our family. Thank you all again.

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bikegirl 6 years, 4 months ago

Again.............I was hit by a uninsured driver,oh and no valid license and he was a good ole us citizen from the state of Texas- and white.I paid for my medical bills and the damages to my car. He didn't know how to drive these roads either.

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Michael Brumbaugh 6 years, 4 months ago

Hmmmm...I'm wondering if the silence around my previous questions is an indication that the issue raised by gladys and others isn't really about being illegal or not. It may be more an issue about people who are uninsured and some people's personal biases.

If so, then could someone please tell us again how it would have been appropriate in THIS case to tell the victim and others that this woman was "illegal"? She was dead. How would a victim pursue a judgment against a dead person (again, these are law matters I'm not familiar with)?

Anyone have any thoughtful responses?

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grannyrett 6 years, 4 months ago

I think Gladys may be getting a bum rap here. Jeez guys-lighten up. I, too, want our border laws enforced. I don't care if they are red, white, yellow, green, pink, or purple. I don't care if they come over the northern border, southern border, come by air or sea. If someone comes into our country, I want them to be a legally documented immigrant. I want them to have legal papers. If they have their papers, they can get a drivers license. It is the same as if you go somewhere else to live. Then you need to have the proper papers and get a license to drive where ever you want to live. We have laws on the books, and most of us try to obey these laws. That is all we want for everyone else to do. It isn't fair that some don't pay their way, and someone else has to pay it for them. None of you-from the way it sounds-have been on the border and seen the immigration problem close up. There are women being raped and sold into prostitution rings by their coyotes. There are men being killed because they don't have more money to pay the coyote, so he just shoots them where they stand. The Mexican military has fired on our border agents. The coyotes have high powered weapons and aren't afraid to use them. The United states always has and always welcomed immigrants. That's how most of us got to be here. Our ancestors got their papers and came into this country legally. Am I making any sense to anyone?

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addlip2U 6 years, 4 months ago

The term "illegal immigrant" is an oxymoron, as by defintion immigrants are lawfully present in the US.

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flotilla 6 years, 4 months ago

Chillout, You are totally missing the point. It doesn't matter if the people that helped you were 6 years olds on scooters. no one is saying that they don't like hispanic people or russians or texans. It is illegal for them to drive. When someone (frenchmen, eskimo, blind 90 year old us citizen, 19 year male, 25 year old hispanic, etc) causes an accident- it is the LAW that states that it is ILlegal for them to drive without a valid license, insurance and registration so that when damages, injury, even death occur, people are compensated equally. what is so hard about this? i am sure she would have loved to have an SUV, so would a lot of legal citizens that pay taxes and insurance etc. your points are moot.

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STEMBOATwannabe 6 years, 4 months ago

MTNmike - who is the owner of the car? If someone else owns the car she was driving they may have some of the liability.

If it is her car..... it is SOL (sorry, out of luck)

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Michael Brumbaugh 6 years, 4 months ago

So, in response to the original poster's comments, and since Immigration seems to be one of the hot topics for the upcoming elections, I guess my question would be -- what is the comparison between ILLEGALS who cause accidents, die and have vicitims lose out because there is no "estate", and LEGALS who cause the same situation. I wonder if anyone has that empirical info (pt22 - your article was interesting, but didn't refer to this, and seemed to be heavily biased against Mexicans)?

I wonder if the difference is significant.

This can be such an emotional issue for some folks, that it would be refreshing to have more objective info. Perhaps that would help people see through stereotypes. Perhaps not.

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Gladys 6 years, 4 months ago

Mike - you seemed to be pretty insulted that I accused you of pulling the race card, however I have to stick with that based on some of your very own comments..."Based on the woman's name?" "some people's personal biases" and "people see through stereotypes" - if that is not pulling the race card, what would you like to call it? Personally, I don't like to beat around the bush - I call a duck a duck - and I own my words. I haven't read one word from an anti illegal immigration poster that refers to the problem as one revolving around race...you on the other hand...well, let's just say you are right about the fruit and yours smells rotten. As for me being attacked - sorry...I'm not feeling that. You are trying to make this about something entirely different...or more than what it really is. This is nothing more than legal vs illegal with the problem being accountability and responsibility. I am wondering if this happened to you if you would see the situation in the same light. Also...you seem to be hung up on my mexican driver comment, so I will restate that just for you...how about this...mexicans are inexperienced drivers...so are teenagers.

As for the difference between a legal and an illegal repsonsible for damages incurred in an accident...surely you are just posing stupid questions for sake of argument. Oh I'm sure there are some legal citizens out there with absolutely nothing to their name and no way to get a dime from them...but that is not the common scenario. However, 100% of the illegals cannot be held accountable.

I cannot for the life of me figure out the problem some of you have with illegal immigration. They are ILLEGAL. Doesn't ILLEGAL mean against the law? As an American citizen, if I do something ILLEGAL, I am going to be cited, fined and quite possibly jailed. I guess just another perk of being a legal American citizen. What would happen if I came into your unlocked house, fixed myself some dinner and kicked back to watch some TV before I decided to shower and go out for a spin in your car? Would that be okay with you? Or would you think that is ILLEGAL?

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OnTheBusGus 6 years, 4 months ago

Found it.. anyone ever receive something like this in their email? These are not my words:

Let's put your questions into an entirely different context. A personal perspective that will affect YOU personally. I find that all pro-ILLEGAL immigration advocates fail to take this into account.

  1. YOU come home one day and find that a family has broken into YOUR home. They have eaten YOUR food, slept in YOUR bed and demand that YOUR home is now their home. It will now be YOUR responsibility to cater to their demands. According to your logic "in a moral sense" how is it wrong that they cannot be in YOUR home and "entitled" to your property? After all, they made the effort to break in after "escaping" economic persecution and should be rewarded right? In fact, according to your logic, they are actually "entitled" to the sovereignty of your home due to the very fact they broke in due to their circumstances.

  2. Your second scenario involves immigrants who have intentionally overstayed their visa after being invited to this country and who are now ILLEGALLY here, ergo, ILLEGAL immigrants. Again, lets put this into a PERSONAL perspective affecting you. You invite a family to stay at your home for a weekend. This family decides that they will live in your home indefinitely. It will now be YOUR personal responsibility to give in to their demands for "entitlements". YOUR home is now their home. According to your logic if you do nothing to enforce the sovereignty of your home, due to laziness, then it's YOUR fault not the family that decided to take over your home.

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grannyrett 6 years, 4 months ago

Gus-Couldn't have said it better. Remember 9-11? Many of those came to this country and overstayed their VISA's. What is so hard to understand? If someone gets a passport and comes to this country legally-we welcome them. Period. If they sneak across a border or overstay their visa, they are breaking the law. It does NOT take a rocket scientist to figure this out. If you break the law, you should be arrested. What has happened to right and wrong? There is a lot of name calling for those of us who believe this way. Others, who don't, can just sling mud. If you don't like the law-try to change it, but as long as it is the law-enforce it! We are NOT picking on the Mexicans. We don't want ANYONE coming into this country that is not legally entering this country. Just a couple of facts: 1-We are all descendants of immigrants. 2-We have laws governing who can come into this country. 3-The laws we have concerning immigration were put into effect for a reason-the safety of this country. ANYONE who breaks these laws should be deported.

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wissbecklarry 6 years, 4 months ago

When I got my Colorado Drivers license, there was very little concern about whether I knew how to drive. No driving test, no questions about Colorado traffic laws, no inspection to see if my tires were bald, no curiousity about my ability to drive in the snow. All that was required was the proper documentation. That included my old Nevada Drivers License, an ORIGINAL birth certificate, My Social Security Card and a fingerprint. I had to sign a statement that I would keep my liabilty insurance current.

Your Colorado Drivers License is in fact nothing but an identification card. (May I zee your paperz, Pleez?)

The DMV ought to get out of the Identification Business and start devising a way to determine that drivers know how to drive.

Liability is an entirely different matter. As one of the posters pointed out, s/he is a white legal citizen who drives without insurance. How about "No Fault" Insurance or Uninsured Motorists Insurance, or life imprisonment at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba?

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chillout 6 years, 4 months ago

This is the first time I have ever submitted a comment on a forum like this, but I find the Gladys diatribe very disturbing. We have a dead human being - legal, illegal, black, white, hispanic - what's the difference? We have another critically ill victim and all Gladys can do is use this forum to rant about her agenda against illegals.

A couple points: I seem to remember a statistic that young people are responsible for most auto accidents followed by doctors, lawyers, and real estate agents. What should we do about those folks?

The state of this woman's car has nothing to do with her being an illegal, but likely has everything to do with her economic state. I am sure if she could have afforded a new 4 wheel drive vehicle she would have preferred it. This country has a much bigger problem than the illegals - its the widening disparity between those that have and those that don't.

I recently left a medical device business that I ran for many years and employed about 200 people. About half of them were hispanic. I found that group in general to be dedicated to their work, family oriented, and deeply religious. The first generation came here, legally or not, to create a better situation for themselves and their families. Most of the first generation did not not speak english, but their children did learn to speak English and many went to college. That progression is no different than the progression that started when my grandparents came to the US from Ireland with nothing. (By the way they lived in a small bungalow with 8 children and other relatives from time to time. I am sure Gladys would have had something to say about that - thank goodness Al Gore hadn't created the internet yet.)

A quick story: My friend and I were driving from Hayden to Steamboat this summer and had an unfortunate encounter with a deer. As we sat on the side of the road watching our radiator drain a pickup pulled up with two hispanic men in it. They got out, didn't speak english, and drove off. They returned a few minutes later with a new container of coolant and elecrtrical tape. We were able to plug the leak temporarilly and limp into Steamboat to get the car repaired. My friend offered them money for their help, but they wouldn't accept it. My friend called it a life changing experience and kept the roll of tape as a reminder. True story.

There are valid points on both sides of the immigration debate. The question is multilayered involving economics, social issues, education and is deserving of a meaningful dialogue. Unfortunately the flames of incumbent prejiduce, fear,and emotions are being fanned by politicians and others with a different agenda. The thing that most disturbs me is calling these people "criminals". The system needs to be reviewed and fixed, but for the most part these people want nothing more than what my Grandparents wanted.

My thoughts and prayers are with all victims in this tragedy.

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freshair 6 years, 4 months ago

1) The woman who died was NOT a victim, unless it is meant that she was a victim of her own poor driving skills. The Victimology Cult has grown in recent decades concurrent with the emergence of Political Correctness. For these fools, nobody is responsible for any negative aspect or event occurring in their lives. Mr Blackstone is the ONLY victim of this accident.

2) The Pilot somehow neglected to report in its article the illegal status of the Mexican lady. Does this surprise anybody? They're all graduates of Journalism 'Schools', those leading bastions of all things Politically Correct.

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mud 6 years, 4 months ago

One paragraph notes how it seems wrong to use this story as a debate on immigration. The following five paragraphs are used as a debate on immigration.

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grannyrett 6 years, 4 months ago

If you want to comment on immigration, you should go to the Craig paper and go to the reader blogs about the spanish pages it prints every week.

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Michael Brumbaugh 6 years, 4 months ago

Gladys, I have made no direct accusations of you as a person. The quotes you list of mine were either questions asked because you claimed knowledge which you hadn't given evidence for, or they were rhetorical. The rhetorical ones didn't pertain to YOU personally, unless you saw yourself in those categories. If I wanted to make a direct attack on you, I would have done so.

I would also have hit the Suggest Removal button for you saying my questions are "stupid", but hopefully, letting others see that kind of nastiness will show which fruit is truly "rotten". If your main emotion is Love, it seems like a kind of love I don't want to experience. Never once do I call you names, put you down, or put words in your mouth. My comments were geared toward any of US (myself included) who live our lives based on fear, prejudice and ignorance, instead of CALMLY seeking the truth. I ask questions because I AM seeking truth, not because I am "posing" anything. I leave that to others on this discussion.

"I haven't read one word from an anti illegal immigration poster that refers to the problem as one revolving around race..."? Then you didn't really read pt22's posted article where EVERY illegal alien mentioned had a Latino (read: Mexican) name. There was certainly a "race card" (your term) being played there.

And, please, for future reference, the term "Mexican" is a nationality, not a race.

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Michael Brumbaugh 6 years, 4 months ago

And, Gladys, please don't put emotions upon me that I'm not feeling. I was never "insulted" by your "race card" comment, just somewhat bemused.

Now, the "stupid" comment, that's insulting.

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flotilla 6 years, 4 months ago

addlip2U- ???? -

illegal alien noun 1. a foreigner who has entered or resides in a country unlawfully or without the country's authorization.
2. a foreigner who enters the U.S. without an entry or immigrant visa, esp. a person who crosses the border by avoiding inspection or who overstays the period of time allowed as a visitor, tourist, or businessperson. Compare resident alien.

Also called illegal immigrant

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JoeCarberry 6 years, 4 months ago

Everyone on this board seems very passionate about Russ Blackhurst's accident but it seems to have divided when it really shouldn't. Let's come together and help Russ:

Open Mike Night at the Olympian In benefit of Russ Blackhurst

Help Russ Blackhurst's family raise money to pay for his mounting medical bills Dec. 20 at Olympian Hall starting at 7 p.m. Steamboat's best musicians and artists will take their turn on the microphone while you socialize and enjoy spirits (of the Holiday and liquid variety). Raffle tickets will also be sold. Ten-dollar donation recommended at the door.

All musicians are welcome to show up and add to the artistry. Please call me if you'd like to help, (970) 819-2118. More details to come.

Live, love and be happy..........We reside in a great place among great people. I know Russ agrees.

jc

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JoeCarberry 6 years, 4 months ago

Russ is my brother-in-law. This is authorized, although grudgingly so (Russ is super-humble).

Please send donations to

2035 Walton Creek Road #303 Steamboat Springs, Colorado 80487

All proceeds from the Open Mike Night at the Olympian and any other donations go directly to Russ Blackhurst. Thanks again all.

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bartender 6 years, 4 months ago

Who can blame the illegals for being here? And how would life be with out them: Those million dollar condos like "One Steamboat Disgrace", etal.; almost DOUBLE their price. that little basket of strawberries at city market; probably $12. A sack of potatoes, $35. So we owe these guys.

But what about the problems they bring? Hang out at any downtown bar late night. Watch the "gang" start to assimilate, one at a time (I am from a big city, I know what real gangs are). But you can see them stick together. Going in and out of the bathroom, coming and going from the bar 20 times. I saw them on 5th street at 2:30 in the morning when a group of about 10 to 12 started getting heated. One guy that had been at the same bar I was at, who stood next to me and we spoke spanglish, he reached into his pants leg and pulled a knife and began to stab another guy. None of his amigos helped. No cops, no ambulance, but a white pick up came around the corner and 8 of them jumped in the camper. I could have sworn I was in So-Cal. The rest ran down the alley. My friend and I were shocked. I just wanted a cab.

But walk the alleyways. Chances are that you'll find at least a stolen bike tied up behind a restaurant that now belongs to one of the dishwashers, because he deserves it even though you might have worked for it. He doesn't care it's top of the line and you saved up a whole season for it. Talk to any cop, and if you want to get the real story find an ICE agent. They will tell you while most of them seem nice and law abiding, THEY ARE DESPERATE. They will do what ever they can to send as much money back to their families; selling drugs to stealing. Unfortunately drugs are readily available to them and easy money. It doesn't matter. Whatever it takes. On an interesting sociological note: They set up their own "law enforcement" amongst themselves since encounters with local law may result in deportation. It is by all rights a sub-government unto themselves; they police themselves, have a hierarchy and make their own rules/laws with their own punishment.

Can we live with out them? No. Should we allow them to steal and intoduce drugs and become problems to our community with gang style activity? No. If, however, there were a means of welcoming their culture in a federal and state moderated and controlled program then it should be embraced. Their work ethic honestly beats the heck out of most americans, our local kids would do well to at least see what thats like. By regulating a guest worker program we could prove the consequences of not obeying rules, regulations, and laws of these obviously desperate people. Ie: If you get caught without auto insurance, then your deported; but as long as you obey the rules you are welcome to stay and work. As long as your here respect our rules.

"If your gonna be a guest in someone's house, you damn sure better show them respect" - bartender's mom

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Gladys 6 years, 4 months ago

I have heard stories of the mexican mafia, but I never bring it up because it's not polite to say mexican and if I follow it with mafia, I am sure I will once again be labeled a racist.

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Tim Kjera 6 years, 4 months ago

The plan to transport illegals detained in Mesa County (Grand Junction) was outlined in a newspaper article in the Grand Junction Daily Sentinel several weeks ago. The facilities there do not meet Federal standards, and it was stated that in the future these detainees would be moved to Moffat County, Park County and Aurora.

Was this information ever printed in the Craig Daily Press or the Steamboat Pilot? NO

And it never will be. These two papers will NEVER print anything negative about illegal immigration. To me, this is real news, but instead, we will probably get another fluff piece about the cultural infusion these hard working people are bringing to the valley.

My real concern, is where are these people going to be released? Will the Pilot cover this story? No way.

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dundalk 6 years, 4 months ago

If anyone has reservations about the poster JoeCarberry, and sending money through the mail, I can personally attest to his honesty and integrity. He and his wife (and son ;)..) are my neighbors. Joe and his wife are fine people and were in the ER when Russ was brought in via ambulance. The devotion that this family has should be held as an example to all. I can't think of nicer people to have living next door and I consider them good friends.

It's nice to see that there will be a fundraiser for Russ. Count me in Joe!

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mud 6 years, 4 months ago

"how is saying "Mexicans are bad drivers" any different than saying "negroes are lazy"? I think that was the first race comment made. how very un PC of you. because as we all know, "Mexican is a nationality, not a race".

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trump_suit 6 years, 4 months ago

You guys crack me up with your spoutings about not being racist. Not one of you went off on the three drivers in accidents on 129 this week.

I will bet that each and every one of you have ancestors that came to America from somewhere else, and most of you were part of an ethnic group that was treated unfairly at one time or another.

This country and its citizens have selected groups from Germany, England, Italy, Poland, Ireland, Vietnam, Africa, and Mexico to single out for racism and unfair treatment. Every single person that has felt, thought or expressed those kinds of opinions should be ashamed of yourself.

This country was built on the backs of hard working immigrants, and nothing has changed except that America is even richer today than it was then. It is no wonder that foreign citizens look at our bounty and want to live the american dream. For all the problems we face, how many of you would rather live anywhere in Central America?

It is true that our gov't has ignored the illegal immigrant problem for years, but the solution is not fences and borders. lets try paperwork and taxes. If these people were able to get legal licenses and pay taxes and register to be here most of them would sign up in a second to avoid deportation.

Isn't it time to recognize that the illegal immigrant workforce is actually important to our economy, and find a way to tax them also. Most of them would choose to be here legally if there was an avenue open to them.

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freshair 6 years, 4 months ago

Stereotypes are formed as a result of experiences with the groups concerned and hence are based on reality. Stereotypes can therefore be considered generally accurate predictions that members of a particular group will act in a particular way. Many, many academic and social science research books expounding on this are now standard core curriculum texts for this subject. Archer and Bloom's 'Sex And Gender' is probably the best known. But if you've lived long enough and have managed to remain unpolluted by PC brainwashing, you don't need to read a book to understand that stereotypes are generally based on observation.

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Matthew Stoddard 6 years, 4 months ago

Freshair- So that means the typical white person IS racist, correct?

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mamalion 6 years, 4 months ago

No kielbase-It means that the typical white person if fed up of illegal aliens crossing the border without proper documentation. It means the typical white person is tired of higher taxes, higher hospital bills, higher insurance, higher crime rates, and more crowded classrooms. It means we are sick and tired of having to be politically correct for fear of offending someone every time we open our mouths, when others don't care if they offend us. If I say ILLEGAL MEXICAN, I am NOT talking about the whole hispanic race. I am talking about an ILLEGAL MEXICAN-Don't read something into it that isn't and was never meant to be there.

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freshair 6 years, 4 months ago

Most whites prefer to interact with other whites, as blacks prefer to interact with other blacks, mexicans with other mexicans etc. For PC brainwashed dolts, this is 'racist' behavior. For minds unpolluted by such nonsense, it is the obvious, observable norm of human behavior.

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mamalion 6 years, 4 months ago

freshair-you are right. When I was in school, we didn't ever have illegal aliens in classes-Craig-way back when. Each -how do I put this properly?-bunch of people gravitated to others like themselves.-Did that do it-or did I upset somebody? I have lots of friends who were not of the same ethnic origin, and almost 40 years later, when I see them, I still consider them a friend. But, we mostly-even those that think border security is a joke-stick with our own kind-there that did it---I just know I offended somebody. Sorry

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freshair 6 years, 4 months ago

Intro 101 for those forum participants who habitually misuse the word 'Racist'(you know who you are, now pay attention)

The word 'racist' has traditionally referred to those believing that any race is inherently genetically superior to another. In recent decades with the advent of Political Correctness in what has become a Liberal and permissive culture, the word now commonly refers to any white person criticizing any aspect of minority culture or behavior.

In fact, this mis-use and incorrect useage has become so rampant as to render the word itself as meaningless.

This label of 'racist,' hissed with such venom by hate-filled moonbats, does not accuse you of holding a forbidden point of view, but only of being born with an incorrect skin color. Being white makes you racist. Not being white makes you not racist. The word 'racist,' as used by liberals, is nothing more than a racial epithet employed to denigrate Caucasians.

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Matthew Stoddard 6 years, 4 months ago

Freshair- apply your statement to the Hitlers, Saddams, and Milosevics of the world instead of just the Gladys'. I guess they were just ahead of their time for not being PC, right? Good analogy. I guess it's okay for me to automatically assume that anyone named Goldstein is going to upcharge me, anyone named Lee owns a laundromat, and anyone named Perez is going to be here illegally. Thank you for correcting my views. I feel so much better now! Thanks for providing that insight!

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freshair 6 years, 4 months ago

kielbasa,putting aside the incoherent irrelevancy of your statement which is referring to 'stereotypes' which has been previously illuminated for your benefit, my words were meant for you and the other assorted 'racist addicts'. Have another cup of coffee or whatever it takes to get your brain in gear and try again.

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freshair 6 years, 4 months ago

Rather than attempt to paraphrase the unique problems that Mexican and Central American illegal immigration poses to America, read the following link to Prof. Huntington, paying close attention to the paragraph on the Mexican inflow: http://www.cis.org/articles/2000/back1100.html

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bikegirl 6 years, 4 months ago

Where do you think you all came from?There is no such thing as "white"except in your small minds-

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Gladys 6 years, 4 months ago

There you go again...trying to make the ILLEGAL problem center around race - it has nothing do to with race. I don't want white people here illegally either.

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Matthew Stoddard 6 years, 4 months ago

So, then Gladys- If you don't want whites here illegally, why no post on the accident involving Wayne Miles and another person? Aren't you automatically assuming that either of those drivers might be illegal, even if no info pertaining to that was in the article? If it wasn't about race, I'd expect you to be spouting the same crap on that thread.

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flotilla 6 years, 4 months ago

kiebasa, John Hawes (the other person) has lived in steamboat for a long long time. Most people know him and know he is a legal citizen. nice try though.

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Matthew Stoddard 6 years, 4 months ago

His name wasn't mentioned originally. I've also lived here for almost 30yrs and I don't know who John Hawes is. Same thing as I didn't know who Sra. Simon was, even with her name printed.

So then, Flotilla- if you DIDN'T know Hawes or Miles does that automatically make you assume they're illegals? If so or if not, why?

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flotilla 6 years, 4 months ago

Trump-Suit, go take 2 hours and read through this 100-post thread and quit pulling your race card thinking your comments are a royal flush. Most people agree that people, whether hispanic, polish, icelandic, etc. can come on over and work, give birth and drive AS LONG AS THEY GET PAPERS, GREEN CARD, A LICENSE AND INSURANCE. Quit wasting our time with your silly comments when you haven't read anything above. Clearly we all knew that the people and animals injured on 129 were legal because we know them or we got the facts elsewhere than the freaking Pilot. Do you think any of us would have missed a chance to show off our knowledge and thoughts if not? come on... except keilbasa

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freshair 6 years, 4 months ago

kielbasa, can you spell d-i-s-i-n-g-e-n-o-u-s? You might have a point except for the fact of the current flood of illegal latinos pouring into the country and residing in the Steamboat area. I'm not aware of any comparable flood of illegal caucasians into Steamboat, are you? Your comment was not only disingenous but absurdly illogical.

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Matthew Stoddard 6 years, 4 months ago

Freshair- Let's go off the original intent of this thread- there was a person's name and no info to say they illegals. In fact, I still haven't seen anything to legally state that Simon was in fact illegal. People seem to have a hard time providing that part, eh? I mean, if a person can just automatically state Simon was illegal, you'd think they'd have no problem showing that fact, eh?

So Gladys made an assumption based on the FIRST name (Simon is just as much a germanic name if not moreso than latino) of the person in question without even knowing the skin color. That's disingenuous when stating it has nothing to do with race.

Freshair- are you now able to provide a factual based link showing Sra. Simon was illegal or will I get the "I don't have to prove anything to you so I can keep harping about something that may or may not even be true" comeback?

For flotilla- where in those articles you mention does it state that everyone was legal or not? I saw nothing stating anything about anyone's legal status. Show me where a person who doens't know these people from Adam how we are to just know they're legal?

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flotilla 6 years, 4 months ago

Well then, Matthew, you are missing out. Jon Hawes is a wonderful man. And no, I don't assume that anyone is illegal. But in this case, the cat was let out of the bag. A dump truck driver must have a CDL to drive a dump truck and unless he bought it off the black market, a company with insurance probably owns it. I did not know this woman was illegal until the post which was brought to my attention because of Russ. I am also not working for border patrol so it is not my job to chase down such information. But this particular case is indisputable and was when I read through the posts and saw Gladys being called "Trash" because she is concern (with good reason) about those of us who follow the freaking rules. As I mentioned in a post above, I would love to save the roughly $4500 I spend a year on registration, health and car insurance. but that would put my "estate" and my family's "estate" at risk. These ILLEGAL immigrants that don't have anything to risk except themselves. I drive 131 daily and go slow as a snail in bad conditions because I don't want to kill someone or myself. I also spend the little extra $ I have on decent tires. If I was Russ, I would be, like him hard pressed to pay these costs, buy a new car, and recover all on my own even though I would have also been doing everything right. We are unprotected from these criminals. They are criminals, here illegally, stealing our tax $, raising the cost of hospital visits and doing whatever they damn well please. Go watch the video I posted from Denver 9 News, Keilbasa. I know plenty of legal visitors or immigrants and welcome them to do whatever they wish, it is their country too now.
Go legal or go home. With love, a law-abiding citizen.

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flotilla 6 years, 4 months ago

AND SINCE KEILBASA'S TOO FREAKING LAZY:

FROM CHARLIE, Russ's father in law: This accident put him and his family and friend through hell. The police did not think that Russ would live when they saw him at the accident scene. They were surprised to learn from his wife that he was going to make it. The information about the young women is correct. This information was given to Russ, his wife and family while they were at the hospital. As for the reporter not putting this information in the paper I fully understand that he would want to see the police report and make sure the information that he reports is correct. I called and talked to him yesterday and he is still tyring to get the police report so he has all the fact in black and white. I do hope that he will write another article on this accident so people will know the truth about what happend.

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Gladys 6 years, 4 months ago

kielbasa - read back through my posts - I clearly remember stating that I knew (from a reliable, informed source) that this young woman was illegal BEFORE I read the story in the paper. I did not assume anything based on a name.

As for the other accidents, I knew the people to be American citizens.

You seem bent on making this a race issue. It is not. Clear and simple, illegal vs illegal...no matter race or nationality.

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trump_suit 6 years, 4 months ago

Actually flotilla, I have no illusions that my thoughts trump anyone else's on these boards. I merely express my opinions and feelings the way that I see them.

I have read every single word on this post.

If our government pulled its head out of the sand and actually acknowledged the extent of the problem, progress could be made.

If our economy is generating so many jobs that illegal aliens find it easier to earn money in the USA than anywhere else, they will continue to cross out borders illegally. Instead of trying to close the borders like Wal-Mart at midnight (Steamboat Wal-Mart :) ), it would be easier and safer to provide a worker permit to anyone that would like one. It would give us a more reliable way to track most of these individuals, and would allow for monitoring/licensing/taxation/insurance etc.

Please note, I use words like most and many. There is not an easy simple solution to this problem. It is clear from the numbers that different answers are needed. The current laws and policies are not working.

My opinion, no more and no less, take it for what its worth................. I stand by my earlier words.

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Matthew Stoddard 6 years, 4 months ago

Gladys- How do you know the others are American citizens? Did you know each one of them personally? Can you prove it? Will it matter? No. All I can say is Mr. Blackhurst is hurt badly and lucky to be alive. Another person, legal or not, died. I'd say Mr. Blackhurst is the luckier of the two and I wish him as speedy a recovery as possible. Unfortunately, Sra. Simon can't recover. Hope that makes you feel all special and warm inside in order to justify your posts.

Pt22- I'll take the kielbasa over Nathan's any day, unless it was smuggled thru in an unsavory hiding place! Enjoy the Season, too!

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Gladys 6 years, 4 months ago

kilbasa - you disgust me - you have not taken in one single word - you just want to argue and in my opinion you care more about the life of an illegal than a neighbor. Like I said before, we are all human beings, but I will pull my own family from the flames first. I have said over and over I am sorry for the loss of life - if people like you weren't so quick to defend an illegals status, maybe this young woman's life could have been saved. I blame you and those like you for her demise.

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Matthew Stoddard 6 years, 4 months ago

Gladys- I said I wished Russ a speedy recovery...but you keep ignoring that he's ALIVE! This was nothing about defending an illegal: it was about your pitiful comments regarding info not published and you had to backtrack yourself when people got pissed. I find that equally disgusting.

You see, I have been listening to you and you still haven't proved anything you've been challenged on. You can blame me if you like, but I didn't put her in a car and I didn't put Russ in a car. They did that by themselves and fate took it's course. I guess you should blame yourself for not being on the border to stop her from coming across, right?

In fact, just the one statement: "I have said over and over I am sorry for the loss of life - ..." You couldn't even bring yourself to say you were sorry over the loss of HER life...just a life in general. Yep! My admiration of your postings just soars ever so high now.

You could easily avoided looking like a twit by just expressing your sorrow for both parties, but instead, you had to just pile on the finger-pointing. Yep! That's what everyone loves after an accident: who to blame. Must be a sad state of humanity when a life is lost with another hurt and the first emotion is hatred of one of the people. Enjoy wallowing in your fury. I'm personally going to add Russ and Sra. Simon to my prayers.

PT- stick to Ice Cream! Can't go wrong there!

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Gladys 6 years, 4 months ago

k - you are mind boggling - again - just want an argument. 1)I have never backtracked even once. 2) Good thing you kept both your feet because you needed them to stick in your own mouth - read my posts again and you will see I did express my sorrow for this young woman's life and 3) I have never once expressed hatred for this young woman or any other illegal. I do not feel hatred - I feel anger.

Where have I been challenged? What are you looking for here? My source of information? You just want me to lay someone out on the carpet and I will not do that. You don't need the name of my source - several other people have verified my information is true.

Nice of you to wish Mr. Blackhurst a speedy recovery. Are you going to wave your magic wand to also pay his medical bills and loss of income? Unfortunately because he was taken out by an illegal, his physical and emotional wounds are only half of his recovery.

I don't wallow in fury or anything else - I simply do not wallow...you however seem to wallow in yourself...and I would be willing to bet that neither of those people will be in your prayers because you really don't care - you just want to argue over racial issues, which in my eyes makes you the racist. People like you are to blame for these situations. That young woman should never have been allowed behind the wheel of a car - she did not have a valid drivers license. But you just keep defending them like you are some great hero. Keep pulling your race card to cover your eyes so you cannot see their struggle and the burden they are putting on our country. Living here illegally is not good for illegals or legals. It is a no win situation for everyone.

I am going to tell you one more time - this is about illegal vs legal. These people need to be documented and helped to assimilate. This is America, we have different laws and those laws need to be followed or else like Americans, they need to be held accountable for their actions.

I am not a twit and quite frankly could care less what you think of me as I think even less of you. You are a racist pig and people like you are dangerous. You don't want to help, you want to breed racism and hate. Again, you disgust me.

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Matthew Stoddard 6 years, 4 months ago

If that makes you feel better, more power to ya. Just remember: I didn't put blame on anyone.

Your first post: "unsafe vehicle, little to no knowledge of mountain driving...okay, I'll be the one to say it...was this woman licensed, insured and legal?"

Where in that first post did you state you already knew she was illegal? Looks to me you were asking a question, being unsure.

Where in that first post did you express remorse for anyone, even Russ? I don't see it.

Know what I see in that post? Hatred for someone who you had no clue was illegal or not, without expressing anything for either person in the accident. Only after people called you out, rightfully so, did you start your backtracking. If you didn't put it in that 1st post, you then had to go back (hence the word "backtracking") to explain a bunch of stuff that you still can't step up and prove. You instead tried to justify, in every which way you could, how illegals are the problem. Nice try passing this off on me, but I'm not the one who started off their first thread on this post admonishing a dead person for being illegal. I have a little more heart than that.

If I disgust a person with ramblings as yours, I will sleep much better at night. Thanks! Also, if you have to protest this much about what I or anyone else thinks of you...yeah- you do care what we think. How sweet of you!

No, you just sit there and seethe because people like me just can't understand why legal status was the first thing you thought to spew from your mouth in this tragedy. Your first post can't lie. The rest of them probably do.

So, show me how much you care what I think and I'll return the favor.

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tropicalmonster 6 years, 4 months ago

i think Gladys actually didnt have the balls to express what she feels about illegal inmigrants. She had to hide behind someone else's pain in a forum. Im indignated about all this.

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Scott Wedel 6 years, 4 months ago

No one is saying the young dead woman driving without a license or insurance was doing the right thing. What is being said is that she had no intent on dying that day or hurting anyone else so there is no excuse to show such hatred and venom for a fellow human being's tragic death. None of that hatred is being shown towards other people that caused crashes from driving too fast for the conditions.

As for racial statistics on driving, that is just garbage. Or do you want me to quote racial IQ statistics that show Asians are smarter than whites?

As for taxes, most estimates show that illegal immigrants are a tax burden at the local level and a tax boon at the federal level. Their paycheck deductions and employer taxes are being paid when employed via fake ids, but they will not collect social security or medicare. Which is why I think the President and Congress have tolerated illegal immigration for decades instead of setting legal immigration at a realistic level to match jobs. Also, it is politically difficult to allow legal immigration for low skilled labor like what is needed at a meat processing plant.

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innovated 6 years, 4 months ago

As usual, you're right on target Mr. Wedel. You always give the intelligent totality summary in which I always highly respect. I get sickened by racial remarks and know it is just a sign of poor breeding when someone judges so harshly. The lady made a mistake and paid dearly for it with her life. My heart goes out to Russ and his family. Sending a speedy recovery prayer.

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Gladys 6 years, 4 months ago

I have copied the posts of JoeCarberry, with information on the benefit, to it's own thread (Blackhurst Benefit) because important information has been buried in this thread.

When I brought this to the community, I fully expected everyone to rally in support of Mr. Blackhurst, not come to the defense of an illegal, littered with hateful racist remarks. I am wondering if the outcome of the accident had been reversed if the response would be the same. I am also wondering when something like this happens to your family if your response will be the same. As I stated in an earlier thread, if a person is killed or injured while committing a crime, it does not make them any less a criminal. I know I would be crushed if my neighbors came to the defense of someone in my country illegally, rather than in support of me.

That's it for me. I am not a racist, hatemonger...or even a twit. LOL Everyone that knows me, knows this about me and I could care less what any of you may think based on this forum. Keep the racist remarks flying as you continue to show your true colors - I will continue to live under the Red, White and Blue and will no longer answer to the hate spewing.

I do hope you will all visit the Blackhurst thread for information and come together as a community in support - in the form of cold hard cash, even (and especially) if you cannot lend your moral support.

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Matthew Stoddard 6 years, 4 months ago

Grannyrett- If you would actually read these posts, you'd see that this was originally about an unfounded, insensitive remark made of someone who died in this unfortunate accident, and from Gladys' own remarks (as usual, after the fact) stated she intentionally did this to see who "she'd" piss off. Now, she's trying to be the martyr by reposting the info about Blackhurst's fund raiser "because it got lost" in all of this. Guess who's fault that is? I believe that would be the one who originally posted an insensitive remark on purpose.

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Gladys 6 years, 4 months ago

kielbasa - I am beginning to think you are illiterate. My original post was not unfounded (read today's article). Just because I am not willing to give up my source does not make it unfounded. And no matter how many times you call me out, I will not give that persons name. I actually posed it as a question to see if others had heard the same as I had heard - they had. And where in the world did you come up with the statement that I posed that question intentionally to see "who'd I piss off". Call it your opinion, not my quote. I truly expected people to rally for Mr. Blackhurst, not the illegals. You are an idiot. In addition, I do not consider myself a martyr for posting important information to it's own thread. Why didn't you do it? Oh...that's right...you don't really care about the outcome - you only care that I made an insensitive remark about an illegal. If I could have posted that information re: the benefit with no name attached, I would have. I simply wanted the public to have easy access to the information because now, as in the very beginning, my concern is the financial devastation this could cause the Blackhursts. The best you have been able to come up with is a wish for a "speedy recovery". Speedy recovery? From what I have heard, Mr. Blackhurst will indeed (and thankfully) recover from his physical wounds, however the emotional and financial impact this will have will not be quite so easy to recover from. To that I say, don't forget to include your check with the get well card.

My remarks may seem insensitive to some, but I think I have made it clear, I will pull my own family from the flames first. I guess you will leave your wife in the burning building while you pull out the illegal who set the fire. But in reality, I think if this had happened to you, you would not be so quick to jump in the defense of an illegal. In my opinion, you are the insensitive one for jumping in defense of an illegal over the support of a fellow American. Sure, we are all human beings, but I was raised "family first" and that is what I am sticking to without a shred of guilt.

If you want to quote me, at least have the intelligence to do it properly. I used to think you were a decent guy. Now you have shown me I was wrong. Be careful of the Karmic Circle. And before you even have the chance to say it, I will tell you, I am well aware of that circle and have no fear.

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dimwitiguess 6 years, 4 months ago

Gladys,

Everyone who knows you knows you're not a racist? Who are you. I'd like to be a judge on that matter. It makes me laugh that you would post anonymously and then say, "anyone who knows me...."

We know you through your statements on this blog. Reading these statements, and not knowing who you are, I would rate the anonymous writer as a "bit" of a racist, otherwise why the first comment you wrote?

Hey, you might not know me, but you wouldn't care to because I'm just a dimwitiguess.

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grannyrett 6 years, 4 months ago

kielbasa-If you would get off your high horse and quit looking down your nose at the rest of us mere mortals, you would see that most posts about illegal aliens in this country are not about race. They are about people who are breaking our federal and state laws. They come to this country illegally. If they get a visa, they are more than welcome. There is a fee, screening, waiting period, and then they get papers to come here legally. Those are the people we want here. Those are the ones that work to help make this an even greater country. I have never once mentioned Mexicans. I don't want Iranians here without papers. I don't want Frenchmen here illegally. I don't want ANYONE here illegally. Is that racist? If it is, well, so be it. What other country has an immigration problem like the U.S. does? Not any that I can think of right off. But we are a great country because we have rules. We have freedoms that other countries don't. But if we don't follow the rules-all of them, we will lose our freedoms-all of them.

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oofcboy 6 years, 4 months ago

why cant they stay in their own country and unite and solves their countrys fault and just be good neighbors, we fix our country on a daily bases or anually ,they say they love their country but it seems not enough to fix it

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Matthew Stoddard 6 years, 4 months ago

"I posed my comment as a question to see who would jump to the conclusion that I was "assuming" this person was illegal based on no fact (as reported by this fine paper). I already knew the answer."

Posted by Gladys 3DEC07 6:23am.

Okay- "seeing who would jump to the conclusion..."; read: who can I piss off on purpose.

This is one of those backtracking statements. You started with a POS statement, then had to "put it in context" after the fact. This is how celebrities, politicians, and anonymous posters try to backtrack on an idiotic statement.

Doin' great, Gladys! Keep it up! You just making this easier and easier for me. I greatly appreciate it.

Plus, this isn't the first go around between us, if I remember correct, so don't give me the "I thought you were a decent guy" routine.

And yes: I would go after my wife 1st, in a fire or any other instance. Unlike you (or will you backtrack again), I would then go back into the fire if I knew someone else was in there, legal or not.

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STEMBOATwannabe 6 years, 4 months ago

You guys have way too much time on your hands

If I could I would be at the fundraiser for Russ, but I will be sending a check.

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Gladys 6 years, 4 months ago

Sure glad you cleared that up for me. You do have a reading comprehension problem. Th only reason I had to GO BACK (not backtrack) to put things into context is because you kept ASKING for further explanation. "Okay- "seeing who would jump to the conclusion..."; read: who can I piss off on purpose.", no, that reads "seeing who would jump to the conclusion..." - there is nothing in that statement that says I want to piss off anyone. You are a typical bleeding heart liberal...taking a statement, then restating it in your own words with a totally different meaning, then throwing a fit over what are actually YOUR words.

Since you know me so well by how you have changed my words, yes...after I pull my family out of the fire, I will pass out marshmallows. People like you disgust me. Where do you get off assuming that because I will protect my own FIRST, that I have no regard for human life? Just because I take family first, doesn't mean I don't also love my neighbor. And you have just admitted that you will also choose family first. In the grand scheme of things, Americans are your family first. You should stand for them before standing for an illegal. We have young men and women...kids...giving their lives for our freedoms, our way of life. And while they are giving their lives for us, we are back home giving their country away to illegals. As they give their lives to protect ours, we have left all the doors and windows open for terrorists to come in as they please...to set up housekeeping, send their children to school with ours, demand rights they are not entitled to, disobey our laws, suck our system dry and take us out, at any given moment, from 1 to thousands at a time. And the list goes on and on. They don't love this country...and I say love her or leave her - that applies whether you are legal or not.

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Matthew Stoddard 6 years, 4 months ago

Any other things you want to more "fully" explain? Funny how you couldn't just put real thoughts behind the first post. Now this is about people giving their lives for our freedom! LOL! Thanks! Considering that most of them are not fighting in Mexico (since this is about "mexican drivers," per another of your "follow-up" clarifications that you do so well) to protect us, you have now made me feel safer than Bush ever did. And here I thought most of our forces are in Iraq and Afghanistatn fighting. Any other non-relevant tangents you want to go off on?

Plus, I thought you didn't care what I thought. Why are you trying to over-explain yourself to me? Or is this for the choir you are preaching to?

Backtrack: 1) To go back over the course by which one has come.

2)To return to a previous point or subject, as in a lecture or discussion.

3)To reverse one's position or policy

Read #2 from the Dictionary.

Looking forward to how much you don't care again. Thanks for making today fun, since the Broncos are as much fun comparatively any longer!

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Gladys 6 years, 4 months ago

Again, you have missed the point. Illegal vs legal - that is ALL illegals, not just Mexicans. You are the one that keeps referring to all the illegals as Mexicans. So yes, our kids stationed around the world ARE relevant to the illegal vs legal problem. I have not made this "about Mexican drivers". You picked that statement and ran with it, totally leaving out all the times I have said this is about illegal vs legal. That is ALL is it about. Illegals in our country cannot be held responsible or accountable for their actions. I have a problem with that...and causing a terrible accident is a good example of why it is a problem.

And again...to clarify...I don't care what you think of me or my opinion. I do care that you take my words, change them, then claim it to be a quote from me. I do care that you give my words meaning that was not mine, then trying to credit me with your words. I own my words, you do not.

Backtrack:

2 - guilty - I do keep returning to a previous point or subject, trying my damndest to make you actually understand my words. My actual words, not your made up ones. And if you keep posing questions to me, are you saying it is somehow wrong for me to keep going back to try to answer them for you? My stance on illegal vs legal has not changed and will not change, no matter how many times I go back.

3 - guilty again - I have reversed my position or policy in that I think I have said at least twice that I am done with this thread...and here I am again...trying to make my position perfectly clear and calling you on changing my words to your own.

I did not throw accusations in my initial post. I posed it as a question. I did have a reliable source, but that does not always mean reliable information. It would have been nice if someone had responded that my information was incorrect and in fact this young woman did have a valid driver's license and insurance. When I initally heard the story, I only heard the young woman was illegal, not that she was mexican. I learned that from the paper because, yes, her name. If her name had been Polinski, then I would have assumed she were a Polish illegal immigrant and my feeling about her driving with no license and no insurance would have been the same. To me, it doesn't matter where they come from, it matters that they are living here illegally.

Glad to be on your mind today. Please take an extra minute to try to actually comprehend what I am saying rather than twisting my words to fit your own opinion. Again, I think you just want a race/discrimination argument and I don't fit the profile.

ILLEGAL vs LEGAL - that is the topic.

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dundalk 6 years, 4 months ago

Gladys and Keilbasa:

I am trying not to turn up the heat register at my house. Thus far I have been feeling rather toasty due to the heat being generated between the two of you!

Since I know both of you on a personal level, it is difficult to read the stuff going on between two very DECENT and COMPASSIONATE human beings. YOu both possess many admirable qualities and its a shame that the two of you can't join forces to a more focused and worthwhile endeavor.

In Gladys' case, it is my opinion that Gladys has been taken the wrong way. Gladys is a very kind person and I think Gladys just reached the breaking point when it comes to illegal immigrants (regardless of ethnic DNA) who commit crimes in this country and especially against innocent and legal citizens. Whatever comments Gladys has made do not stem from racism, bigotry or ignorance. The posts come from passion for a topic that all law-abiding Americans should hold dear.

Keilbasa is also a decent and forthright man. He is kind and always entertaining. I consider him a good friend. Keilbasa's passion comes from (in my opinion) seeing the good in all people and trying to stand up for justice as he sees it. These are noble efforts on his part and probably one of the reasons he feels so strongly about this topic.

After all is said and done, the bottom line is that a woman is dead because she failed to adhere to the laws of the road as it pertains to mother nature. Having insurance and/or a license doesn't make one immune to danger but in this case, it might have helped the innocent victim of the accident - Russ Blackhurst recover some of his mounting financial burdens. Mrs. Simon's life was of equal value as that of Mr. Blackhurst's. Her family probably mourns her just as passionately as we would mourn our loved one.

We need to focus on the living now, and maybe as a community we can come to Russ Blackhurst's aid and help a Steamboat resident.

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thecondoguy1 6 years, 4 months ago

Hang in there Gladys, the winter has just begun, maybe your disertations will bring attention to all the jalopys with bald tires, broken head/tail lamps and expired tags around town, and all these good citizens can get out of the way quick enough so as not to end up in the emergency room hanging onto life at their own expense. lots of luck at all you do.....................

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Gladys 6 years, 4 months ago

dundalk - thank you. You have seen me at my best and certainly my very worst. I appreciate your kind words. But I mostly appreciate that you know me well enough to know where my heart lies.

I agree wholeheartedly with your bottom line. I am not sorry I brought this subject, but I am sorry I did not start it up in it's own thread. I truly did not expect this kind of response from fellow Americans. Every time I read a nasty, racist remark and every time I respond, I wish again I had started it's own thread. Out of respect for the Blackhurst family, and for you...I am not coming back to this thread. I am not gong to open and read another post and therefore will not feel compelled to respond.

Thanks condoguy - I do hope this will bring awareness.

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Michael Brumbaugh 6 years, 4 months ago

Dundalk,

Would sure like to believe ya there, buddy, about gladys. However, just looking at her comments on this thread, and not knowing who she is in "real life", one can generally conclude that she easily paints people who might disagree with her point of view with very broad strokes ("those bleeding-heart Liberals"), even though she knows nothing of what a person might specifically believe about this topic. There was over-generalization, sarcasm, and rigid "love this country or leave it" in her words. Sorry, I don't see "compassion" in that line of thinking. Or, a willingness to see any possible ambiguity in this issue.

Instead of it being an us against them mentality, aren't there ways of finding solutions that could help maintain our current economic needs, but also be truly compassionate towards those who are just trying to live a better life for themselves and their loved ones? Unless someone can show us unbiased statistics that the MAJORITY of people who come here illegally are here for the purpose of destroying our country, then why not believe that a majority of them just want what many of us already have?

And, she, without knowing me personally, called my questions "stupid" (which she never apologized for or retracted), a very personal insult. Never did I make any such personal comment about her. Karma, to me, is about sending loving energy out into the world, and most of the greatest teachers in our history tend to have more questions than answers. Sorry, bud, but I see a world of difference on this thread between Kielbasa's level-headedness, heart and true compassion and Gladys' "Americans first" and tribal mentality. To me, ANY human suffering is saddening.

I may not pull my family member out of the flames first if I knew he/she was a person who had committed atrocities toward others, if the choice was between him/her and a child or other innocent. To say that "family" (or America) always comes first is to say there are no moral ambiguities or decisions we make daily in our lives! The world is NOT so black and white, and our real compassion is measured by the LOVE we show others, including our "enemies".

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colowoodsman 6 years, 4 months ago

It is reasonable to assume that Simon knew she was here illegaly, that she knew she was supposed to have a license and insurance to drive and that no one forced her to drive that fateful day. Therefore it is resonable to assume that if Simon had obeyed and followed the law she might still be alive today and Blackhurst would not be in the hospital. She and the vehicle owner should bear the responsibility for this accident.

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dundalk 6 years, 4 months ago

mountain mike:

you can be compassionate and not be a patsy. if the worst thing that ever happens to you in your life is that someone calls a remark/question you make as "stupid", I'd say you're getting off easy.

I wonder if your sentiments about loving your enemies would be the same if it was your family member laying on a slab after an illegal immigrant killed them.

As for economic considerations - do you know how much money ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS COST US, THE TAXPAYERS, every year? I am not just talking about medical costs but insurance, etc. It's staggering. Maybe you like giving away your hard earned money, but I want to take care of my family first.

Gladys isn't saying anything differently than the majority of the United States who are fed up with people who are in this country illegally. Maybe she just did not put pretty flowers around her thoughts. It should be of interest to note that these topics are at the very heart of the upcoming presidential races.

personally, as the daughter of a legal irish immigrant, I say deport all illegals ASAP back to their country of origin and toughen our borders beyond approach.

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Matthew Stoddard 6 years, 4 months ago

dundalk- While I value your opinion and agree that illegals shouldn't be here, my original statement was that Gladys made a knee-jerk reactive post, based on no information nor an explanation (until the kitchen got too hot) as to how that conclusion was reached in order to pose it as a question.

Whereas Gladys' original post was to point out nothing but stuff not written in an article, posing it as a question. Then, she "has to put into context" (not backtracking. how's that?) what she knew and meant. The explanations got more long winded. Remember the saying, "Methinks thou dost prostest too much?"

Then, Gladys has the gall to say the following: (cut & paste directly from Gladys' own post)

"I posed my comment as a question to see who would jump to the conclusion that I was "assuming" this person was illegal based on no fact (as reported by this fine paper). I already knew the answer."

Uh-huh. Then, in the what, 3rd or 4th "final post on this thread" Gladys' states:

"I truly did not expect this kind of response from fellow Americans. Every time I read a nasty, racist remark and every time I respond, I wish again I had started it's own thread."

Really??? Gladys DIDN'T expect this reaction? Did Gladys expect all to walk lock-step with a statement like that? Yeah, that shows me American pride and patriotism.

There! I put no words in to Gladys' mouth. I only posted 2 direct quotes that definitely aren't peanut butter and chocolate: no taste that didn't even go together. Gladys just continues to explain after the fact. It's the classic celebrity/politician "I was taken out of context" crap. If you want to be taken in context, put your words into context the first time by thinking it out. Otherwise, you have no right to expect a different response.

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STEMBOATwannabe 6 years, 4 months ago

"We need to focus on the living now, and maybe as a community we can come to Russ Blackhurst's aid and help a Steamboat resident."

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id04sp 6 years, 4 months ago

Didn't it come out that Blackhurst is a dentist?

Why would a dentist not have health insurance to cover his costs?

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kosteamboat 6 years, 4 months ago

wow, i just read most of these 146 comments and i think it is so ridiculous that all this spurred off of a car accident. i was in a rollover accident 2 years ago and i know that if i died and comments like this were said about the accident that it would make things a million times worse for my friends and family. maybe you should think about who is reading this and who you are hurting before you write things. this poor woman died from an ACCIDENT, show a little respect.

ps. gladys, get a life

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nikobesti 6 years, 4 months ago

You know what would have prevented the issue of Diaz not having insurance? Getting her a drivers licence. But Gladys doesn't like that option either. She and her ilk much more prefer to hate instead of talking about saving lives. Illegals are going to drive. Period. Denying them licences isn't going to get them off the roads. So why not get them insured instead of complaining about what's "fair." Um, I learned in 4th grade that life isn't fair. Haven't gotten there yet, Gladys? Suck it up and let's get our roads more safe by letting illegals obtain a drivers licence.

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dundalk 6 years, 4 months ago

niko: where should we send all these licensed and uninsured illegals to so that you can pay their insurance?

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colowoodsman 6 years, 4 months ago

pt22, you are right on!!! You hit all the nails right on the head! It is a privelege to drive in Colorado not a right! Simon took that privelege without obtaining a license and payed with her life. If everyone had your insight there would be no debate. The illegals I have encountered actually belive they are better than us because they are above the law. They think we can't get along without them so they are immune to prosecution not only for being here illegally but for anything else they want to get away with. In the long run there is nothing 'cheap' about cheap labor!

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trump_suit 6 years, 4 months ago

THe best idea I have heard in these 156 comments is to enforce car insurance at the Gas pump. The problem of driving without insurance or license is not limited to illegal immigration.

Changes in our laws are needed. These problems will not go away with fences and deportation.

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richnlessa 6 years, 4 months ago

You are right Gladys!!! Don't pay attention to the bullies. They probably don't pay for insurance as we do. I am insurance poor. You know when you file on insurance you get stuck with a huge bill after they pay. Then your rates soar or your cancelled. Hello, this is why.

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panda 6 years, 4 months ago

Best wishes to Doctor Blackhurst for a speedy recovery.

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dimwitiguess 6 years, 4 months ago

Has anyone seen Mike Forney? MIIKKEE FOORRNNEEYY where are you?

dimwitiguess

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jeep 6 years, 4 months ago

i got hit head on in vernal Utah in 1980,by a drunk person who was legally separated from her husband went to his house stoled a car no insurance hit me head on she died ,could have been me ,left me in the hospital for 3 months ,broken hips , pelvis and a lot more ,I had insurance to pay for these uninsured people at my expense my $$$$$$ to protect me bs to the people who drive or dont have health insurance get a life

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