JoEllen Heydon: The time is now

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For close to 10 years, studies and surveys have been done showing that the residents of Steamboat want and need a community recreation center. The idea is to construct a centralized facility that is all-encompassing and multi-generational for use by children, seniors, singles, families, locals and visitors. A community recreation center is just as the name implies - a centralized facility where community members can go and experience a positive and friendly atmosphere.

Citizens for a Community Recreation Center (CCRC) is leading the charge on this mission to satisfy the unmet recreation needs of Steamboat. Local gym space is at or beyond capacity. Additional gym space could be used for basketball, volleyball, soccer, wrestling, lacrosse and more. CCRC believes that Steamboat needs an indoor aquatics area with a wade-in pool and water features for younger children and a lap pool and diving well for year-round swimming lessons, lap swimming, diving, water aerobics, scuba and kayak lessons and more.

A proposed indoor playground would benefit families and youth programs, as our only current option is the indoor playground at McDonald's. The recreation center would also include a walking/running track, an outdoor skate park and a youth/teen center. It would provide a place for the city's day camp and after-school programs in place of the "Igloo." The facility also has space for a future turf field expansion to help accommodate field sports during the shoulder seasons.

A decade of research and community input has indicated that the facilities and activities mentioned above have all been identified as Steamboat's unmet recreation needs. Additionally, a comprehensive recreation center should include fitness facilities so that parents can work out while kids are doing their activities and multiple activities can be achieved at one location.

CCRC believes that a facility with these recreation options will complement Old Town Hot Springs, which has the unique features of outdoor hot springs and aquatics. Options for expanding at the Old Town Hot Springs property with the construction of an indoor pool have been thoroughly researched, but studies have found the costs to be too high because of the inherent limitations of space, parking and accessibility.

Steamboat is clearly a growing community. Based on studies of Steamboat's realized and projected growth, consultants have informed City Council that if a recreation center is constructed and opens in the year 2010, as projected, our community will still be "behind the curve," or struggling to meet the space and time requirements for indoor recreation users. If there are problems finding gymnasium space, parking, pool time, and workout equipment today, imagine the scenario in the next three to five years.

Barker Rinker Seacat and GreenPlay LLC (the consultants), city staff and CCRC are working on the best method for financing a proposed bond issue for a recreation center at the Ski Town fields near the Tennis Center at Steamboat Springs. The consultants have conservatively estimated costs to avoid any surprises during actual construction. These consultants have an excellent record of not going over budget. CCRC has also begun a private fundraising campaign in the hopes of alleviating some of the cost burden on our community.

For those who are initially opposed to this proposed ballot issue, we ask that you look at the information that has been and will be gathered. We believe you will come to the same conclusion that we have: The time is now to move forward with this project. Vote yes for the Ski Town Recreation Center.

JoEllen Heydon

Chairwoman, Citizens for a Community Recreation Center

Comments

steamvent 7 years, 5 months ago

For all voters ... check your tax bills and see how much more you can stand. How many more special interest costs can you bear? Besides the initial cost to build, these things cost more staff and maintenance forever.

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addlip2U 7 years, 5 months ago

How did all the people that grew up and/or moved here to date survived without all of the now "SO MUCH NEEDED" recreation center?

Steamboat offers plenty of outdoor recreational facilities, use it. ENJOY what is here.

Steamboat Spring is not a "social welfare" community. Those that want/need such recreational facililites should pull their financial resources together, be creative. Bring in the business that you wish to provide you with services you want or feel you need. Competition is healthy and it will improve the services we already have. Let private enterprises strive.

As a responsible parent I paid for all of my children's private child care/sport/art/camps and many extra curricular activities.

Your child is NOT the city or other tax payers responsibility. If you can't afford child care or the activities you wish for them to participate in, don' t have them!

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id04sp 7 years, 5 months ago

There are plenty of $#!++y places to live that provide these sorts of facilities. Move there and take advantage of them.

The thang is that people moved here and scraped by, house poor, on two low-wage jobs and then decided to have kids, too. Now, ten to fifteen years later, those adorable toddlers have turned into unsupervised, unruly teenagers who run amok while Mom and Dad still labor at those low wage jobs trying to support a life in a resort town.

There were plenty of things I missed out on as a teenager because my family didn't have the money to join a country club or some other organization that could provide indoor activities. Most of what I did do during the summer before I was old enough to have a job revolved around church activities. Some churches had pools, and some (mine included) did not. We got by on what we had.

Oh, yeah, sure, there were some urban facilities that I could have used if I lived in the ghetto. Did I ever tell you about the job in the drafting department at 3M Corporation that I didn't get between grades 11 and 12 (after taking a full year of mechanical drawing in the 11th grade) because those jobs had been promised to the city for "low income" kids? Hey, welcome to America, and have a nice day!

This community does not "need" a $34 million dollar indoor rec facility. There are people who WANT it, but at taxpayer expense. Will it solve our teen drug and drinking problems? Yeah, maybe a few of them, but how many kids do you know who would say, "Get high? No way. I'm going swimming instead."

This is just one more bad idea that is going to slowly raise the tax bills so that people who were lucky enough to buy in when housing was affordable will eventually be run out by rising property taxes and have to move away anyway.

Most of the people expressing an opinion on the Pilot poll have voted against this idea. However, since we seem to get stuff we voted against anyway (the so-called Justice center), be sure and put it within walking distance of the post office, and don't provide sufficient parking, so that the traffic on Lincoln will be even worse.

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katrinkakelly 7 years, 5 months ago

FANTASTIC idea! We would have a great option for our children after school and could enjoy some indoor swimming in the dead of winter with them. What a concept!

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Dan Hill 7 years, 5 months ago

Welcome to the Socialist Republic of Steamboat. The last place that was so obsessed with providing publicly funded sporting facilities to the 'workers' was the Soviet Union.

It would be interesting to see what proportion of the City's budget (i.e. our taxes) are going to fund these facilities.

We're already paying for Howelsen Hill, the Tennis Bubble, Haymaker, the Ice Arena, Core Trail, ball parks, etc. etc. plus endless free outdoor recreation. But still the 'deserving poor' bleat about how they need more on the taxpayer's nickel.

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stompk 7 years, 5 months ago

What baffles me, is that you have spent 10 years surveying, and planning this community center, and now we have hired consultants, and the community center isn't even approved by the voters.

How much has this cost the tax payers already?

And IF the tax payers haven't been footing the bill for the last 10 yrs of planning, surveying, consulting, then who paid for it, and what's in it for them?

We are building a new elementary, community center, justice center. Something smells fishy.

Someone, I believe, is pushing this, because it is a money making opportunity for them. Not because it is better for the community.

The planning department will tell you that the cost of improving 20 mile road , is paid for by the coal company. Well guess what. The coal company raises the price of coal, which raises the price of electricity, which hurts those that are just getting by the most.

We all shoulder the responsibilities of the community. If we have an extra $34 mil laying around, why don't we invest it in a stable money market fund (I'm not an investor, so this may not be the best investment), and wait a few years, until the interest will buy the rec center.

Imagine, a government that is self supportive, and doesn't always rely on tax payer input. A novel concept this day and age.

Rant over.

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jlkar 7 years, 5 months ago

We don't need it. Being on the girls soccer team here in steamboat during the "shoulder seasons" was not bad. you work out inside and run outside and guess what- we still won the Championship. Now I am a home owner and don't want the extra expense. I agree with the notions above, pay for your own children. Go on a hike. Jump in a lake. I learned to swim in a jacuzzi at age 3. get over yourselves. steamboatlion is correct- we already pay for plenty, and then pay AGAIN when we actually want to use the facilities. Maybe some of these advocates should have thought about money for a community center when they supported the stupid tennis bubble (40$ a game STILL- totally unaffordable- I play at Howelson), golf course and TRIPLE CROWN. move back to the front range and use their dated rec centers and tell me that isn't what ours will be in 30 years. Take advantage of the college, schools, and green green grass that grows at the ski town fields- where plenty of us "housepoor" recreate every tuesday and thursday nights in the summer.

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jlkar 7 years, 5 months ago

Scott Standford, please get someone to answer these questions- who is paying for all the consulting fees now? why doesn't this ccrc have a website to access the information they are asking us to review?

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jlkar 7 years, 5 months ago

katrinkakelly if you want to swim in the dead of winter- move to florida. what don't you get about "ski town usa"

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katrinkakelly 7 years, 5 months ago

Go jump in a frozen lake! Occasionaly, after a day of sking in Steamboat, for the past 35+ years, I would love a swim in a large indoor swimming pool. Public or Private..........Funding is a monster of an issue, we have been ripped off on the Tennis Bubble and Justice Center as well as other projects but a Recreation Center is a GREAT idea. A private fundraising would be a good way to allow some "walking wallets", who are making their money off of large land deals and developements, to contribute to the community and hopefully pay for the Rec Center.

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katrinkakelly 7 years, 5 months ago

Some of the folks that are complaining about paying high taxes are the same people who are complaining about "social welfare" and "low-wage jobs that make unsupervised, unruly teenagers in our resort town. So what is the answer to that?

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stompk 7 years, 5 months ago

From the County Assessor pdf

"The increase in the County's core revenue sources such as Property Tax and Sales Tax have not increased to match the combined increases in compensation, health insurance, fuel and paved road maintenance and overlay costs in the County. The County has the ability to maintain existing service levels for the near future, but will have difficulty maintaining services and providing additional services if the current trend of increasing costs continue."

Source http://co.routt.co.us/commissioners/Accounting/Revenue-07.pdf Look for yourselves. Take particular note at the 2007 budget deficit, requiring us to dip into our reserves.

I may not be a super duper educated guy, but I do run my own business, and I can tell you the numbers don't add up.

Oh, and by the way, tax payers are paying for all the consulting fees. And we hired out of town consultant. Don't we have people in town that are capable of doing this?

Just cause I some dum guy from an ole cowtown, you know, Steamboat Springs, doesn't mean the wolves can pull the wool over the sheeps eyes.

We call frozen lakes, free ice skating rinks, around here. Can I get a BooYah!

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another_local 7 years, 5 months ago

Don't need it. Don't want it. SURE don't want to pay for it. If YOU want it, join health and rec and work with them to increase that PRIVATE facility and add the things you want to see. Don't burden me to help pay for your day dreams.

You can swim in the winter at Health and Rec. or just go outside and play! We LIVE in a rec center.

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stompk 7 years, 5 months ago

Anybody know when is the next town meeting on this subject? I would like to attend.

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JazzSlave 7 years, 5 months ago

another_local:

Bingo! There's nothing more to say - this thread can be closed down now.

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ffv 7 years, 5 months ago

Ski Towns/# of Rec Centers w. indoor pool in 30 miles radius Steamboat /none Breckenridge/2 Vail/2 Glenwood Springs/1 Crested Butte/Gunnison/1 (plus 1 college facility) Aspen/1 Durango/1 (plus 1 college facility) Winter Park/1 (plus 1 on ballot) Keystone/2 Sol Vista/1 (plus 1 on ballot) Grand Junction/1 (plus 1 on ballot) Beaver Creek/2

Ski Towns /# of Rec Centers w. in or outdoor pool in 30 miles radius Steamboat /1 Breckenridge/2 Vail/2 Glenwood Springs/3 Crested Butte/Gunnison/2 (plus 1 college facility) Aspen/2 Durango/2 (plus 1 college facility) Winter Park/1 (plus 1 on ballot) Keystone/2 Sol Vista/1 (plus 1 on ballot) Grand Junction/2 (plus 1 on ballot) Beaver Creek/2

*YMCA Camp of the Rockies Facility

So why is this an unreasonable ballot question? I say go for it!

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Matthew Stoddard 7 years, 5 months ago

Craig has an indoor pool for it's high school. Does that count FFV?

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ffv 7 years, 5 months ago

30 mile radius for the above numbers. Craig is 41.5 mi according to Google maps...I guess you could redo the numbers at a 45 mile radius but everything would change (e. g. Vail is 30.7 mile to Silverthorn).

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fish 7 years, 5 months ago

ffv, it looks like you won't have to move very far to find a new home town that offers all the ammenities that you apparantly can not live without...bye bye.

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ffv 7 years, 5 months ago

Kielbasa - also I think that the Craig HS Pool is closed to the general public. Might be wrong on that one so I'm checking.

sbvor - so I assume you will vote...no? I do love your posts they are funny; however, it is hard to have intelligent debate with your ranting...come on you could come up with something better than US should have a Cuban Healthcare System couldn't you. The "we're turning communists thing is getting old." ; )

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madmoores 7 years, 5 months ago

ffv, 11.5 more miles to get to a pool in Craig, Hmmm.....at 65mph that is less than 10 extra minutes worth of driving. I have songs on my I-pod longer than that. Craig has a wonderful outdoor pool, with lanes(and blocks) that can be used almost 6 months out of the year and is host to many regional swim team meets each summer. Folks come from miles around to partake in these meets as well as swim in the wave pool. Nothing fancy but it is better than nothing. The H.S. pool is 27 years old, leaks and does not generate much revenue to keep it open to the public but it is still a functional part of the H.S. swim programs. The open to the public status is unknown at this point but the MCSD is looking at making a cutback of funds totaling roughly 1.7 million though 2009 and the pool is on the chopping block. In a nutshell, it is costing more to staff it with a lifeguard or two(for public use)as well as the cost of chemicals to keep it within regulations than it would to close it down to the public and only utilize it for H.S. purposes. Here is a link for those factual type to read up on where the board sits regarding the H.S. pool:

www2.craigdailypress.com/news/2007/apr/27/community_airs_concerns/

I ride my bike in the summer and snowboard in the winter. If I want to swim, I go to the river in the summer and jump in since swimming IS a warm weather activity. If I want to run I put my shoes on and go run, whatever the climate. IMO(I realize it bears no weight but what the hell), your rec. center is being built for the tourists and the whiners. Average, hardworking, mid-level income, regular citizen(who normally get bent over paying for everything anyway) will get charged twice, once by taxation to build(then maintain it), again by the fee to utilize said facility. Do you think the user fee for tourists will be double what they charge the resident? I doubt it. It seems that these days the whiners get everything they ask for, "But..but...but we neeeeeed it(stomping up and down furiously)". Even if there were a rec. center built here in Craig I would not use it and would not support being taxed to build one. Tax me to build/maintain, charge me to use, I don't go for that stuff. I would not utilize a rec. center in Steamboat either, no need to. Not meaning to interfere with your local convo but I wanted to enlighten you all on what was available "41.5" miles away, despite not being a ski town. Good luck with this issue.

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dogd 7 years, 5 months ago

We need this center. Not. We have marvelous recreational opportunities here which draw way too many people to move here as it is. This will bring even more generic urbanites who don't really get it as concerns the things which are unique about this place. And never will. There are also the strident voices who always seem to lack the one more place to dump off thier kids which could allow them to avoid raising them pretty much altogether. Not just no to this boondoggle. Hell no.

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Jon Casson 7 years, 5 months ago

svbore-

Only the "facts" you pick.

Next election, are you forming a committee to investigate each candidate and their background? Maybe you could call it the "Citizens Committee on Un-Steamboatian Activities". You could ask each candidate "Are you now or have you ever been a member of a socialist organization?"

Are you now going to provide me with a bevy of "facts" claiming that McCarthy was the greatest American of his day?

Lets examine your style of "debate" for a minute:

-You're free to insult anyone you see fit. Anyone with a differing opinion is "a dim", "stupid", "ignorant", "socialist" or "dare I say, Totalitarian". You and your ilk are the only ones who know the real truth and everyone else is an idiot.

-You're free to rant and rail against any elected official whose views you don't like, but anyone who opposes people you support (i.e. Bush) is "crazy".

-In your view, all journalist lie and the media is nothing but a pack of lying, left wing liberals out to destroy America. Oh yeah, except the National Review and any other source that supports your point of view- they're totally unbiased (note: sarcasm).

The FACT is that you DONT debate- you bully, yell and insult. Just because you back up your views with a bevy of citations of your choosing, doesnt make you the only one entitled to an opinion.

Back to the issue at hand. All this talk about the rec center being shoved down your throats, forced through, etc is irrelevant. In this case, the City Council has done their job. They investigated a potential project (by hiring experts in the field), did research to see if there was support (including surveying local voters) and are now leaving it in the hands of the voters. Anyone who doesnt want it is perfectly free to vote "no" in november.

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Matthew Stoddard 7 years, 5 months ago

SBvor also won't look at facts that dispute what he thinks. Still waiting for SBvor to verify my military documents, since I was questioned and provided links to things which SHOULD have happened...if you believe everything on the net. However, I have actually lived my life instead of just reading about it, and I'm willing to provide my proof. SBvor just doesn't want real proof: just links.

FFV- I believe the Craig HS is closed to the public, giving their team actual usage for training year-round. That's my point: Craig, has a public pool and a High School pool. That's in a town that doesn't get the tourism bucks that Steamboat does. Steamboat's problem is that all taxes are sales tax related instead of balancing it out with property taxes. Until that changes, Steamboat will never be able to pay for the things it needs or wants.

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katrinkakelly 7 years, 5 months ago

Thank you ffv! Lots of Rec Centers in our mountain towns.

stompk - I surely would not ice skate on our frozen lakes in the dead of winter with the local fishermen, ya big dummy, there is a much safer ice rink in town.

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katrinkakelly 7 years, 5 months ago

I will reveal that I am a "STAUNCH" republican and that I totally want the REC Center!!! So where are the socialist, communist, low wage earners, left wing liberals on this forum that are trying to shove their agenda and unruly children down our throats?

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jlkar 7 years, 5 months ago

This is my favorite: "They [city council] are not experts in recreation. Several sets of [recreation] consultants now have reported, through surveys and studies and their own experience, that the citizens of Steamboat want and need a recreation centers." Get out. recreation consultants reporting that people want recreation facilities? seriously. If CCRC seriously wants this, they should come up with some more rational reasons besides, "I want to enjoy a swim after I ski" GROW UP Katrinka. Then, later we'll serve you grapes and fan you with the taxpayer's dollars. wouldn't that be nice? OH AND BY THE WAY, I would like to enjoy a ski after my swim in the summer... we'll need an indoor ski hill for that too... with perfect champagne powder clouds falling 2 feet every 12 hours. ahhhhhhhh.

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jlkar 7 years, 5 months ago

Oh no Katrinka! Fishermen! Scary! You know, they really aren't fishing... they are waiting for our youth to step onto the lake and then they cut a little hole into the ice and throw them in! And you know what else? Those evil fishermen are at all of our, what, 200 lakes and ponds within a 30 mile radius.

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stompk 7 years, 5 months ago

The majority of the people in this town don't dawn spandex pants and run down to the gym everyday. I stay in shape (sorta) through my job, and riding my bike, hiking in the woods, etc.

We built that beautiful bike path (which I really enjoy), but everytime I drive down River Road, I have to avoid several recreational road cyclists, who are too "serious" to use the bikepath, which is a much safer ride.

This is the same mindset of people who are pushing the rec center.

Folk move here to get away from the city, only to bring all their city rules and habits, (like indoor rec centers) with them.

They've already taken away most of the good fishing spots that are close to town. Can't even go down to the Yampa and catch dinner any more.

If you want a good workout in the winter, and can't find something to do that doesn't already exist here, why don't you dawn some snowpants, and go shovel off your neighbors roof for them. Costs us nothing, and helps your neighbor.

That is the spirit of Steamboat that is slowly slipping away, into the hand of wealthy special interest groups.

Wasn't like that in 1967, when I moved here.

Kat, I can't stand that Ice Rink. It's friggen cold in there. :)

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Matthew Stoddard 7 years, 5 months ago

The majority of the people also in this town don't don spandex pants and ride their bike, or hike in the woods, etc. The river isn't made to house all the people sharing the lap lanes at SSHRA. It's not made for lap swimming.

We built that beautiful bike path (which a lot of people really enjoy), but it's made for casual riders and walkers for that path, not people riding for a workout. You aren't allowed to speed down the path that way. This is the same mindset of people who are pushing the bicyclists off the road.

Some folks moved here almost the same time as stompk and think it's about time for Steamboat to change with new growth. Some of us don't bother to catch our own food when there are 2 perfectly good supermarkets and just enjoy sitting by the river instead.

The "spirit" of Steamboat is made up by ALL people who live and visit here. It's been eaten away at by people who support NIMBYism.

Wasn't like that in 1967, when stompk moved here, but how many people live in the past?

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stompk 7 years, 5 months ago

Easy Matt, I'm on your side. Your old roomate and classmate here.

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stompk 7 years, 5 months ago

When this was first proposed, it was and indoor pool. Now it has grown into a $34 mil monster, that we will probably end up building, even though I will be voting a resounding NO on the ballot.

This project will cost every single citizen around $3400 (approx 10000 permanent residents). So a family of four, will be carrying a $13,000 debt burden. That's alot. If the folks pushing this want to come up with private funding, and build it, and charge to become a member, then who am I to oppose.

But if your asking me to jump on the bandwagon for something that I think is excessive, and overblown, at taxpayers expense, I will not.

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Matthew Stoddard 7 years, 5 months ago

Heh! Wondering if that was you, Stomp!

I was just using your post as an example of how using almost all your own wording would apply to those on the opposite side. I'm not for new taxes, no matter what I tell SBvor (I vote in certain ones that I feel are necesary, but not all) but I'd rather see us spending that money on a newer facility in a better location than to keep adding to the older pool downtown.

As a kid growing up who was not the most avid skier, and definitely not a high school jock, swimming was my sport of choice since before moving here. I was psyched when I found out they had a team. Then I was disappointed finding out it was only a summer club. I know they now have a few people who still compete year-round, but not to the level of the summer swimmers.

This rec center would be for more than just for swimmers. Not everyone enjoys doing summer stuff only in the summer just as not all skiers just enjoy winter activities. The mindset of people saying if you can't do it outdoors should move are the types of people who matter to me when it comes to choosing activities. Every other world class resort in Colorado is catering to winter and summer year-round activities as much as possible. Steamboat has always been a runner-up in this aspect.

We're growing as a town and the amenities should grow with it, is all I'm saying.

Take care, Stomp! (where have you been recently? Haven't seen you for a while!)

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stompk 7 years, 5 months ago

Hey ole buddy. I'm still around. Have a family these days.

I agree, adding to the old pool is not the way. I'm just looking at the county budget, and seeing a deficit in spending, but when I drive downtown, I can't even get around because of all the new construction.

Where is all the money going from the fees from these gigantic new construction projects? How is it, that we are dipping into reserves, when we've had epic building going on in town.

With all the money flowing into town, we should never have to rely on taxpayer funds to build amenities.

Your the man when it comes to financial responsibility. I would vote fer ya, if you ran for treasurer, you ole thespian you. Love ya bro. :)

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Matthew Stoddard 7 years, 5 months ago

Stomp- Can't say where the money goes from the fees. Not sure if developers withhold any of that (as they sometimes do with condo unit fees waiting for sale on a new property, they just wait unit it sells, then pay it to the association) until the project is done.

I still think that this is where having a property tax for the City in lieu of certain sales taxes would help balance it out. Unfortunately, the commercial sector will never go for that because of the Gallagher Amendment split between commercial and residential.

As for finanacial responsibility, THANKS! My wife (she's the bigger money watcher) and I can kinda blame that on not having kids for now. Plus, our needs are easy! Our propety tax bill is up there, just like everyone else's, but I'd rather see a rec center go up than other things that money gets spent on. At least with a new rec center (and just like katrinkakelly, I'm Republican also) I know that this will get used by many people in Steamboat, local and visitor alike.

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Matthew Stoddard 7 years, 5 months ago

"I'm mad (EMPHASIS on MAD) as Hell and I'm not going to take it any more...or less since I can't step off my soapbox for psychiatric reasons."

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Jon Casson 7 years, 5 months ago

Readers- lets examine svboring's soapbox.....

"You suggest that I believe I am "free to insult" anyone I see fit. Yes, actually, I am (for the time being) "free" to do precisely that. It's called The First Amendment. Read it sometime."

Hmmm, but anyone who challenges you back or expresses their 1st amendment rights is an "idiot" or "ignorant" or "stupid". I assure you that I have thoroughly read the Constitution and all the amendments in their entirety. You have every right to say what you think, so DONT insult and belittle people expressing the same right.

You complain- "Yet, all I get are baseless, unsubstantiated opinions and ad hominem attacks. Why is this?"

Maybe because that is what YOU do to anyone who challenges your opinions. You reap what you sow.

You state- "I practically get on my knees and BEG you so-called Liberals to present YOUR facts"

I have never once proclaimed myself a "liberal". That's a label you attached to me without knowing a damn thing about me or how I vote. You'd be surprised to know how "conservative" I actually am. I take you to task because your insulting, hypocritical, arrogant and holier than thou attitude infuriates me. You claim to engage in intelligent debate but you fall to the lowest common denominator of insults and disrespect of other opinions.

You question- "Are all critics of totalitarian Socialism destined to get the McCarthy label and/or the entirely different HUAC label from you?"

No, you get the "Macarthyism" label because you have the incredible audacity to call anyone who opposes your viewpoint "stupid", "ignorant" or "socialist". You have no respect for opposing viewpoints and stoop to insulting and belittling anyone with any opinion you dont agree with. Mcarthyism has become synonymous with intolerance....and you are the epitome of intolerance in this forum.

In answer to your question #6. City Council was democratically elected by a majority of voters to act as their representatives. You are more than welcome to vote for you candidate of choice in November. I cant wait to see how you react if you lose.

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stompk 7 years, 5 months ago

Well, it's obvious this is going to get ugly. Maybe that's a good thing. Maybe it will wake up those who have been sitting on the fence, (like myself), stir the pot, and get some of the people who still like what little is left of the old town charm of Steamboat to chime in.

I'm kind of tired of taking my kids all the way to Denver, to go to Elitch Gardens. Maybe if I started a committee, we could get some tax dollars to pay for some consulting, and in ten years, propose a $100 mil dollar amusement park. At least it would support itself.

I will continue to respectfully disagree with those who think this $34 mil boondoggle is needed, to the point where I will be picketing the courthouse, if need be.

Peace.

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