Jim Dailey, shown here in February 2007, has agreed to plead guilty to federal charges related to an illegal Internet pharmacy. Dailey and his wife, Melanie Dailey, operated a naturopathic clinic in Steamboat Springs until they were ordered to close in February 2006 by state Attorney General John Suthers. Melanie Dailey has also agreed to a plea deal, related to separate but similar charges involving an Internet pharmacy.

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Jim Dailey, shown here in February 2007, has agreed to plead guilty to federal charges related to an illegal Internet pharmacy. Dailey and his wife, Melanie Dailey, operated a naturopathic clinic in Steamboat Springs until they were ordered to close in February 2006 by state Attorney General John Suthers. Melanie Dailey has also agreed to a plea deal, related to separate but similar charges involving an Internet pharmacy.

Daileys face federal charges

Steamboat naturopaths provided Internet pharmacy with improper prescriptions

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— Jim and Melanie Dailey of Steamboat Springs have agreed to plead guilty to federal charges related to the distribution of large quantities of hydrocodone-based narcotics without valid prescriptions.

Special agents with the federal Food & Drug Administration and the Internal Revenue Service are investigating the case involving an alleged illegal Internet pharmacy.

According to court documents provided by the IRS's Criminal Division - including plea agreements signed by both Daileys - Jim and Melanie Dailey were paid to write prescriptions for hydrocodone to customers of Birmingham, Ala.-based William & Mary Pharmacy, from Nov. 1, 2002, to Oct. 31, 2003, even though they did not "examine or otherwise have a legitimate doctor/patient relationship with such patients."

"The people that ran the William & Mary Pharmacy would solicit customers, then would solicit out-of-state physicians to write prescriptions," said Jill Ellis, spokeswoman for United States Attorney Alice H. Martin of the Northern District of Alabama.

Jim Dailey would not answer questions about the charges Tuesday.

"Unfortunately, at this point, we shouldn't say anything," he said.

Neither of the two Birmingham lawyers representing the Daileys returned calls Tuesday. Melanie Dailey was a licensed physician in Oregon and Colorado from 2002-03; James Dailey was a licensed physician in Oregon during that same period.

Although the Daileys admit to almost identical acts of wrongdoing in their plea agreements - including providing improper prescriptions that resulted in the dispensing of more than 40,000 units of drugs containing hydrocodone as the primary ingredient - they face different charges.

Jim Dailey, 43, is charged with unlawfully distributing controlled substances; Melanie Dailey, 44, is charged with misprision of a felony, which means she had actual knowledge that a crime was being committed, did not report the crime, and actively concealed evidence of the crime. According to the plea agreement, Melanie Dailey destroyed "certain records in order to prevent state/federal authorities from discovering the nature of her and her husband's conduct."

The maximum penalty for misprision of a felony is three years in prison, fines of $250,000 or both. The maximum penalty for distribution of controlled substances is 20 years in prison, a fine of $1 million or both. As part of the plea agreements, the Daileys' "acceptance of responsibility" and their cooperation in the ongoing investigation, federal prosecutors will recommend reduced sentences.

Hydrocodone is a narcotic pain reliever and a Schedule II controlled substance under federal law. When used in combination with another product it can be listed as a Schedule III controlled substance. The opioid is marketed as the drug Vicodin, among others. Tussionex Pennkinetic is the only marketed drug mentioned in the plea agreements. The prescription drug contains a combination of hydrocodone and chlorpheniramine and is used for the relief of cough and upper respiratory symptoms.

"Distributing controlled substances without a valid prescription is a serious federal crime, one with criminal consequences," Martin said in a statement announcing the charges. "Doctors, pharmacists and their employees hold positions of trust in their communities, and will be accountable for wrongdoing."

'Trust of the public'

Special agents with the FDA and IRS said this case is an example of the U.S. government's commitment to investigate the illegal sale of pharmaceuticals on the Internet and to dismantle the responsible criminal enterprises.

"Our system of health care is founded on the trust of the public in its health care professionals and the outstanding services that they provide," Rodney Clarke, an IRS special agent, said in the statement announcing the charges. "The system was not designed for the few rogue individuals who chose to place personal profit ahead of that trust."

The Daileys owned and operated Rocky Mountain Integrative Health Management in Steamboat until Feb. 27, 2006, when they received a letter from the office of state Attorney General John Suthers ordering the practice to close. The decision came after a complaint filed with the Colorado Board of Medical Examiners alleging that the naturopathic clinic "practiced medicine" - meaning it undertook the diagnosis and treatment of illness - without a license.

The very next week, on March 8, 2006, William & Mary Pharmacy was closed after federal agents searched the offices and residences of several individuals and corporations related to it and found "criminal wrongdoing relating to the operation of an Internet pharmacy."

Earlier this year, the Daileys unsuccessfully lobbied in favor of House Bill 1192, which would have allowed qualified naturopathic practitioners to not only obtain licenses in Colorado, but also treat and diagnose patients. Naturopathics believe the human body has an inherent capacity to heal itself with natural methods such as homeopathy, blood work, herbs and nutritional supplements.

More than a dozen states, including Utah and Arizona, offer licensing for naturopathic practitioners, but Colorado's House Committee on Health and Human Services indefinitely postponed HB 1192 in April.

In February, Jim Dailey said he had spent much of the past year working construction jobs.

Melanie Dailey is scheduled for arraignment Thursday in U.S. District Court for the Northern District of Alabama. Both Daileys are scheduled on the Feb. 4, 2008, trial docket.

Others charged in the case include James E. Maddox Jr., 57, of Montevello, Ala., and Stephens C. Puckett, 61, of Birmingham. Maddox, a pharmacist, and Puckett were both William & Mary Pharmacy employees.

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AmebaTost 7 years ago

It's just as bad as selling crack on the corner.

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foodchain 7 years ago

This is completely different from selling crack on the corner. The rise in value of my drug stock portfolio is not likely to correlate directly to sales of crack on the corner.

If a person wants/needs opiates, a person must obtain those drugs from a proper source and make sure to give the pharmaceutical interests their cut.

Your liver does not care whether you purchase heroin on the street or obtain vicoden from a licensed physician. Your liver just converts it all to morphine anyway or something like that:

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stmbtprof 7 years ago

These guys have been fooling too many people for a long time and were contributing to local well established addictions for over last five years....they need to be locked up and quit contributing to problems in our community under the guise of doctors...

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justathought 7 years ago

Talk about greed, these people were licensed physicians, look at the amount of money they could have made legitimately with a little hard work, instead they chose the easy life and ignored the oath they took. Since all they were after was easy money, the plea agreement should include the top fines and loss of license, let's see them get rich working at Mickey D's.

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id04sp 7 years ago

Let's see them get in shape painting lines on the parking lots at the federal minimum security prison at Nellis AFB outside of Las Vegas.

I know a couple of real estate speculators/developers who should join them,. Maybe this "hit" will convince the IRS to do some more snooping while they're in town. I know of $2,000,000 they could collect right now.

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Mel 7 years ago

None of you even know what you are talking about. Have you ever heard of innocent until proven guilty? These two people helped so many in this community to overcome illnessess that other doctor's simply wrote a perscription for and dismissed after 5 minutes. If there is any truth to these charges it is a fraction of what they actually practiced in Steamboat. Not to mention that what they are in trouble for happened in ALABAMA, not Steamboat. They were not contributing to anyones drug problems here. Did you even read the article?

Also they didn't make any money off of it, the pharmacy did, read the article more closely. Jim was working construction and Melanie was working for like $10 an hour at Healthy Solutions! Not exactly livin it up!

Also they weren't licensed, that is the whole problem with the state of Colorado - THEY REFUSE TO LICENSE NATUROPATHIC DOCTORS because greedy PILL PUSHING MD's payoff all the people who can change the legislation to make natrual medicine legal in this state.

I hope their lawyers get them off completely. Some internet phamacy in Alabama forges the Dailey's signatures and now you people compare them to crack dealers??

Guess your pharmacutical stock portfolio goes down now that the William and Mary pharmacy closed it's doors...

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Mel 7 years ago

Never trust someone who's license plate has a WZ on it!

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justathought 7 years ago

They are not going to be "proven guilty", they already agreed to it [Jim and Melanie Dailey of Steamboat Springs have agreed to plead guilty]

If they weren't licensed, why not? [Melanie Dailey was a licensed physician in Oregon and Colorado from 2002-03; James Dailey was a licensed physician in Oregon during that same period].

You can't have it both ways, you say [These two people helped so many in this community to overcome illnessess that other doctor's simply wrote a perscription for and dismissed] and [because greedy PILL PUSHING MD's payoff], while supporting these people for writing prescriptions for people they didn't even know.

[They were not contributing to anyones drug problems here], does it make it better that the drug problems they contributed to were elsewhere?

You said, [Also they didn't make any money off of it, the pharmacy did, read the article more closely] when the article said [Jim and Melanie Dailey were paid to write prescriptions], being paid sounds like they made money to me.

Finally you asked [Did you even read the article?], Did you?

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tropicalmonster 7 years ago

This is what i think about all this.

You cannot play with people's health, that's why their clinic was closed because they were not licensed to diagnose or treat diseases. Now that im reading about the internet pharmacy, its all making sense. As the article says, naturopathics believe that the body cures itself with the help of some aids, including nutritional supplements. Who guarantees that the supplements prescribed by the Daileys did not contain narcotics? Why not? Somebody in pain might find relieve in narcotics.

I don't believe this couple is honest. I attended this year a talk hosted by Aging Well back in june. They seemed nice people, very convincing in their talk but with my health background i noticed that they were telling wrong things to people who seem to believe in them.

Its not about a smiling face...its about knowledge, formal preparation and willing to help the community achieve a better quality of life, in an HONEST way.

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stmbtprof 7 years ago

I know people herE who they were writing drugs RX for and one of their patientS ended up in rehab twice...a good friend of mine..I personally called these "doctors" about it and they continued to prescribe....Also know many other patients who were also diagnosed with the same disease. and thoguht they were being helped..

and this is it..and why .... they talk a good talk and seem very nice and honest BUT THEY ARE NOT AND DO NOT CARE about their patients' health...they care about their checkbook!!!!

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Mel 7 years ago

That is not true. They almost lost their house helping people who could not afford to pay them. They take phone calls at all hours of the night, they help in any way they can and they are not profiting off of it. Just because your friend ended up in rehab doesn't mean you can blame the doctor. Maybe your friend should be searching for drugs. That is like suing McDonalds because thier food makes you fat.

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Mel 7 years ago

justathought -So you would risk 20 years in prision and 1million in fines rather than "plead guilty" to a lesser charge. I'm sure it's easy to speculate what you would do when you are not in this situation.

Also, Jim was not licensed because he is a naturopath and Colorado will not license naturopath's. Melanie was not licensed anymore because she wasn't perscribing drugs anymore, she was practicing natural medicine. It even says that in the article it happened in 2002-2003 and she was licensed in 2002-2003 as you noted.

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Dukebets 7 years ago

Hey MEL, they are charged with unlawful distribution of a controlled substance. To keep it simple for you, that means that they were selling drugs illegally. They pled guilty..........They are charged with destroying records. Do you follow baseball or the world news in general? Dentists are paid big bucks to write prescriptions for steroids. Hydrocodone is a highly addictive paid medicine. How can you prescribe that without ever meeting the patient? The only was is illegally. Think about it MEL! Your friends are drug dealers and used a Homeopathic shop as a front.

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Mel 7 years ago

You're right Dukebets they are my friends. They also happened to help me through a bad illness NATURALLY including diet, vitamins and supplements that you can buy at Healthy Solutions. NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER any perscriptions or anything illegal.

No Ventrygirl I am not high on hydrocodone. Are you?

I think what is happening to them is over the top and misrepresented. I never said that maybe something didn't go wrong here, but I don't know the whole story and neither do any of you and if they had helped you through the things they helped me through, you wouldn't be throwing them under the bus either.

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AmebaTost 7 years ago

Even a crack dealer does something good once in awhile, that doesn't make selling crack ok.

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Ms_E_Bronte 7 years ago

Be realistic -- the truth is somewhere in the middle.

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Neil O'Keeffe 7 years ago

Just a couple of hippie outlaws (above the law) trying to make ends meet, what's new with that? I'm sure if they were innocent they would not have pleaded guilty to help soften what is likely going to be substancial fines and possible jail time not to mention what the IRS will dig up. Too bad, they are nice folks and have helped some people in the community. They just didn't appear to have a conscience or any virtue when it came to the almighty buck.

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dogd 7 years ago

Don't know 'em. Don't know the facts. Whatever it was they did, it must have been something that they knew was wrong, because of the (apparently admitted) coverup attempt.

ID< if you can get the IRS 2 mill-go for it. They will give you a cut. You could use the $$$ to investigate some of the drug dealers, who you say are highly placed, and are responsible for all the highly organized and politicized local conspiracies against you.

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justathought 7 years ago

Mel, you asked the question "Have you ever heard of innocent until proven guilty", I just pointed out they wouldn't be "proven guilty" because they already pled guilty, so it seems I wasn't speculating on what I would do.

Now you say "Melanie was not licensed anymore because she wasn't perscribing drugs anymore", did you mean legally? Nobody is "throwing them under the bus" they crawled under there on their own.

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bikegirl 7 years ago

Mel-While I agree that the Daily's probably helped people with thier naturopathic practice,the fact is that they prescribed hyrocodone illegally. Hydrocodone is a highly addictive narcotic,that should be monitored closely by the prescribing physician.Hydrocodone is not a naturopathic or natural remedy,it can devastate people's lives through addiction.They are no different than a drug dealer,no matter how "nice" they may be,and they deserve whatever the punishment is determined.

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Redtiger 7 years ago

The law is the law, YES! There is a choice to live under those laws. The laws are created to protect the citizens who chose to live under those laws. I need health protection. I do not work for a company that gives healthcare. Do you?

Breaking the law yes:helping those who are not helped by the Government (a.k.a. the law).

Priceless::

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bikegirl 7 years ago

YES HEALTHCARE IS EXPENSIVE !IT'S A RACKET!BLAH BLAH BLAH. it is also extremely irresponsible to prescribe narcotics to patients you've never even seen!How noble of them to help the uninsured?I pay for my own because I choose to have healthcare,I am tired of folks making excuses,regardless of how screwed up our healthcare system is.The Dailey's did not practice good medicine,they played into the dark side of the prescription drug industry.

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Redtiger 7 years ago

Blah Blah Blah.

I too buy my own healthcare.

Lets just leave the rest behind.

At least they payed sales tax. How much sales tax do we recieve for Marijuana?

Hydrocodone-based narcotics by a licensed physician Vs.Methamphetamines from your kids "friend" at high school?

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bikegirl 7 years ago

Meth is a nasty drug,Hydrocodone is a nasty drug when prescribed by irresponsible Doctors with no genuine interest in the patient they are prescribing it for.

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oofcboy 7 years ago

speaking of Marijuana the only reason it is illeagal is because William randolff Scott and his buddies didnt like it because it was cutting into his paper mill profits,It was made illeagal under false pretenses .Look it up Marijuana act 1937.I do not smoke weed but I would before a drink whiskey or beer ,thats because I dont like the taste of beer.viva mescal

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ladiebug92 7 years ago

Grow up. All of you. You live in a town where people screw up everyday. You're children are getting knocked up at young ages. The school system is screwed up and so much more...this is what you all chose to do with your time. I'm ashamed to be from Steamboat Springs. That is the first time in my life I have ever felt like that.

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ladiebug92 7 years ago

Grow up. All of you. You live in a town where people screw up everyday. You're children are getting knocked up at young ages. The school system is screwed up and so much more...this is what you all chose to do with your time. I'm ashamed to be from Steamboat Springs.

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tropicalmonster 7 years ago

What i choose to do with my time is my business, im busy and still have time to read the newspaper because i want to know what's going on in SS. And if there is something i want to comment on, i will do it, it will take me a few minutes and it doesn't mean that im wasting my time.

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TeddyBear 7 years ago

ladiebug92 -- I find it ironic you criticize those who read and comment about an article of relevance, and then arrogantly condemn the very act you commit. Furthermore, that fact people "screw up" and the school system is "screwed up" (not sure what you're referencing... but not relevant to this discussion) is beside the point; this is a discussion on a specific issue: experts in a very specific, and highly trusted field, committing the ultimate betrayal of their oath to society... "I will do NO harm."

I do believe that is worthy of discussion.

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colobob 7 years ago

News Flash People from all walks of life, of all races, colors, creeds, ages and genders have been "Screwing UP" since the beginning of time and will continue doing so until the end of it, it's called the Human Factor. The trick in life is to learn from your mistakes and the mistakes of others and not to repeat them. As for open discussion and voicing opinions being a waste of time I disaggreee. If just one person ACTS for the common good on a thought, comment, or idea that they take away from this or ANY other thread isn't that a good thing? Conversation stimulates the mind even if you do have to sift through the BS more often than not to find good in it. Imagine the consequences in a life without discussion. Ashamed to be from Steamboat? You need to venture out beyond your front door and the city limits and take a good look around. I hear Mexico is nice...................................., if you're a tourist!

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justathought 7 years ago

We live where people screw up every day, and just how is that supposed to make illegal drug dealing, by two supposedly well educated people, okay? Yes, sometimes this IS what I choose to do with my time, and your excuse for being here is? You bring up how bad the situation is with "our" children and the school system but what makes you ashamed is our having the audacity to speak out against illegal activities, and you tell us to grow up?

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Diana Simon 7 years ago

Seems like the point of the comments is getting off the actions of the Daileys. Truely, in our country it's innocent before proven guilty, but with the acceptance of some guilt....... I think receiving medical help for chronic pain is important. I went to the Pain Management Clinic at YVMC and received narcotic pain medication under the close supervision of a physician and an advanced practice registered nurse. I don't think that this practice can be done in a long distance manner in any way.

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babblingbrook 7 years ago

Why is this such a big deal?

Per USA TODAY: (One Example)

GILBERT, W.Va. - When his craving for painkillers got to be too much, Steve Dotson lay down and let his wife drive a car over his leg. It hurt, but he could dismiss the pain with thoughts of the medicated bliss that would follow. Soon, he lost his house, the state took his children away and he was spending nights under a bridge, where he hoped to die.

"You get to where you don't even want them (pills) anymore, you just do them so you can get through the day," said the 43-year-old southern West Virginia resident.

Dotson is one of millions of Americans who have experienced the harm that can come from addiction to the prescription narcotic hydrocodone. Less regulated than similar prescription painkillers, drugs containing hydrocodone have quietly become the most widely prescribed -- and, perhaps, widely abused -- opiate painkillers on the market.

With 124 million prescriptions in 2005, drugs containing hydrocodone are the most popular of their type in the country, according to the U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration's Office of Diversion Control. They are sold under hundreds of brand names and generic titles, and hydrocodone can be found in medication ranging from cough syrup to painkillers.

The most commonly prescribed product combines hydrocodone and acetaminophen, which is marketed under brand names like Vicodin and Lortab.

FULL ARTICLE: http://www.usatoday.com/news/topstories/2007-08-22-3649705051_x.htm

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babblingbrook 7 years ago

Link truncated so I will try again.

ARTICLE TITLE: Hydrocodone abuse on rise in Appalachia

LINK: www.usatoday.com/news/topstories/ 2007-08-22-3649705051_x.htm

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Redtiger 7 years ago

Back to the real point:

Guilty or not guilty:

:what is the right quantity of punishment?

Compared to all the comments in this section of feedback:

:what should be fair?

Should this case be punished to the max? What if it was you (this one will get me into trouble, but people will always flip when its their ass on the line).

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skibum 7 years ago

Did it ever occur to any of you that the information in this article could have possibly been twisted by the source that wrote it to create more "newsworthy" story? Or do you just believe everything you read to be the truth? It's not fair to condemn people when you're only getting bits and pieces of a larger story from one opinionated source.

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babblingbrook 7 years ago

skibum - YOUR ABSOLUTELY RIGHT!

The court reporter twisted the fact that the Dailey's agreed to plead GUILTY, via signed plea agreements, to prescribing Hydrocodone to people they did not "examine or otherwise have a legitimate doctor/patient relationship."

Maybe the Feds conspired to setup these two doctors on trumped-up charges... and/or maybe the Dailey's thought it easier not to fight and give up there medical practice and serve some time in PRISON...

or,

maybe... sometimes good people do bad things.

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Crimony 7 years ago

Oh, honestly.

Anybody who believes they have an accurate picture of any story based on media coverage and that certainly includes any newspapers in the Yampa Valley is already misinformed from the start.

I remember last year when a bull elk on the Wyman Living History Ranch and Museum property was tried, convicted, and even executed for killing one of its caretakers, according to the Craig Daily Press. Gunshots of the actual execution were reported by the local journalist. As it turned out, none I repeat NONE of that was true. The elk was not responsible for the death, and to my knowledge, remains at the Ranch today.

And don't confuse addiction with dependence there's a huge difference. Chronic pain is real and affects people even in our little valley. The DEA would rather put you and your doctor in jail rather than allow any quality of life for someone with unrelenting, intractable pain. Besides, that's so much easier than going after REAL criminals with far-reaching networks designed to plunder and push spooky drugs to your kids.

And let me point out just one other little, tiny thing::.

Since when can a Naturopathic Physician prescribe narcotics, in ANY state? So, doesn't it make you wonder how this pharmacy managed to fill prescriptions "written" by Jim Dailey? Don't you think just maybe these scripts were being tampered with at the pharmacy level?

This is clearly one of those cases where 'more information is needed' in order to assess and judge the situation. You've heard one side of the story you may be surprised if you knew the other side. Or, perhaps it's just more enjoyable to read another "bull elk" report.

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stmbtprof 7 years ago

i DO NOT NEED INFO..i KNOW MANY OF THEIR PATIENTS..ALL FRIENDS ALL BEING DIAGNOSED WITH THE SAME DISEASE AND i WENT TO THEM ONCE IN EARLY YEARS WEN jIM ALSO CLAIMED TO BE A dOCTOR. tHEY ARE CHARISMATIC...THESE ARE THE TYPE OF PEOPLE WHO SEEMS VERY NICE AND VERY TRUSTWORTHY AND VERY HELPFUL...BUT THEY ARE MAINPULATIVE AND SELF-DRIVEN AND USING SO MANY INNOCENT PEOPLE IN THIS TOWN...i BET YOU WERE ONE OF THE ONES DUPED BY THEM MEL....i HAVE BEEN SAYING THIS PRIVATELY TO OTHERS FOR YEARS TO DISUDE THEM FROM THE DAILEYS BOGUS AND MONEY MAKING PSEUDO DRUGS FOR YEARSF.... THAT THEY ARE CHARLTANS...i FEEL SO BAD FOR THE PEOPLE THAT BELIEVED IN THEM AS THEY WERE VERY GOOD MAGICIANS..AND VERY CHARISMATIC...BUT BECAUSE I KNEW A VARIETY OF PEOPLE WHO WENT THERE AND WERE ALL VEING TREATED THE SAME AND i WENT..AND THEN MY FRINED WAS GIVEN OVER AND OVER RX FOR VALIUM AND VICODIN AND THEY KNEW SHE WAS JUST USING...IT BECAME OBVIOUS TO ME WHAT WAS GOING ON. tHEY ARE TRULY CHARISMATIC BUT NO BETTTERTHAN jIM jONES OF GUYANA FAME..ONLY ON A LESSER SCALE...BECAUSE THEY WERE STOPPED. mY VIEW HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH THE MEDIA OR HEARSAY

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bikegirl 7 years ago

What are you folks not getting-These are FEDERAL CHARGES-not just the little old Steamboat Pilot's reporting-They have snowed alot of people,and caused HARM to people.Their greed and arrogance have enabled people to continue their addictions,rather than treat them responsibly for pain.A good Doctor knows thier patients,the whole person,and takes the time to get to know them,not just prescribe medication.

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dimwitiguess 7 years ago

Has anyone seen Mike Forney? MIIKKEE FOORRNNEEYY where are you?

dimwitiguess

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foodchain 7 years ago

Dear Bike Girl,

You should shut up and just take a Vicoden. It might make you feel good and then you would not be so uptight, self righteous and unpleasant.

Mmmm Poppies. God made them. For a reason.

It used to be OK and perfectly legal for drug companies (Bayer, for example) to market Heroin for babies. Yes, this is true. "HEROIN" was available for purchase without a script FOR BABIES in a jar with a cute little baby font label at every local general store.

It also used to be the case that any self-respecting mother would have a bottle of Laudenum in her arsenal to treat any pain and woe that might befall a family member or in case she might need a little relief herself.

Pain Management is a booming industry. If people want their drugs, they can have them, as long as they follow whatever the rules are at a particular time. Lobbyists make a lot of money setting these rules. No one should have to live in pain. Pain meds are not necessarily bad, people just need to use their meds responsibly and follow the rules!

Disclaimer: I am not promoting illegal drug use, nor do I condone it. I just think that people need to lighten up a little bit around here.

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Mel 7 years ago

AMEN Foodchain!

None of us know the details behind these charges or claims made by the pilot. And I don't appreciate being told I was "duped" by these two Doctors. They did help me and many many many other people in this town, for pain issues (apparently) as well as issues regarding natural health, diet, hormonal balance---this is a big one---maybe when your going through menopause bike girl, you'll sing a different tune! Let's see how much better your hotflashes and other ailments get when all you can get is synthetic hormones from Dr. Bowman and Ahlmeyer because the state of Colorado has rid us of all the people who actually try to treat the problem and not the symptoms of a problem with NATURAL remedys! And yes pain is a natural thing that sometimes needs intervention from pain medicine to help manage it while the problem is being delt with. Better to perscribe hydrocodone than heroin! or crack!! Right???

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TeddyBear 7 years ago

foodchain -- It is a basic American principle to debate/discuss issues of concern... if you feel threatened, try and refrain from silencing those who have an opposing viewpoint. Also, getting personal is childish and a sign of weakness.

There is no logical argument in: "It used to be OK and perfectly legal for... [fill in the blank]. I'm sure you can cite many examples of bad/ignorant business decisions that had a negative effect in society... that's why there is no more cocaine in Coke.

You raised a very important point: There was no "Pain Management" in any of the activity the Dailey's plead guilty to.

When it comes to highly addictive drugs, I hope none of us "lighten up" to the potential consequences these drugs have in our society.

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foodchain 7 years ago

actually, I like to act anonymously childish even when I do not feel threatened. SO THERE.

oh please! do not infer that I approve of administering a bottle of Bayer Heroin to a colicky baby even though it was OK to do that in a prior century.

in general, people need to take better responsibility for their own health care.

Pain management is a good thing, but the patients need to sign the contract and follow the dang rules.

that is all i am sayin.

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bikegirl 7 years ago

foodchain-You have obviously never had had a loved one die due to a drug addiction,nor have you watched your parents suffer as thier son became addicted to vicoden,herion and any other pain medication he could get his hands on.So ,to Mel and foodchain,call me whatever you wish,I will not lighten up,nor will "shut up and take a vicoden"

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bikegirl 7 years ago

Oh and Mel-menopause can be treated with flaxseed,primrose and many other natural remedies,been there.done that.

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foodchain 7 years ago

Yes, you are absolutely right. I have NEVER seen a loved one or a family member suffer from any addiction and I will bet my houses that I NEVER will.

People in my family take responsibility for their health care. No one in my family mistakes the Vicodin for the Altoids. Not even my cousin Mose. It is as simple as that.

Addiction is a weakness.

Weakness is intolerable.

In this jungle you are either a Lion or you are prey.

Yours truly, Dwight K. Schrute

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flotilla 7 years ago

I've stayed out of this one because I didn't know too much about the subject. BUT are you $#%ing kidding me? Foodchain, you are so far out in left field it is just plain silly. what you aren't is realistic. and that is too bad because it is losing your sense of realism that creates situations just like the one the Dailys are in now. And you said it yourself: "Pain meds are not necessarily bad, people just need to use their meds responsibly and follow the rules!" THE RULES. exactly. I am not even going to waste my time outlining the rules for you. Mel- great points. Naturopathic medicine is great. Agreed one hundred percent. But here is a more reliable source: http://www.9news.com/rss/article.aspx?storyid=81833

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foodchain 7 years ago

Even the weakest member of my family, cousin Gretel Heinrich Schute, was spared the symptoms of menopause. She could raise and lower her estrogen levels at will. That is because she was STRONG. She had Schrute blood in her.

Sometimes she would lower her estrogen levels just so that she could raise them.

Eat or be eaten. Yours truly, DK Schrute

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bikegirl 7 years ago

foodchain-you are truly blessed to have such a healthy family.Namaste

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foodchain 7 years ago

No, my family is not strong and healthy because they are "blessed". They are strong and healthy because they take personal responsibility and they exercise free will.

There is a huge difference between relying on "blessings" for strength and simply working for it. No Schrute has ever needed a hand out.

We do not speak Indian, although those Hindus do have some bitchin' eight legged goddesses. Auf Wiedersehen

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OnTheBusGus 7 years ago

Dwight Schrute is one of the guys on The Office. LOL

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Mel 7 years ago

Bike Girl "Oh and Mel-menopause can be treated with flaxseed,primrose and many other natural remedies,been there.done that."

Are you kidding me? That is exactly what I have been trying to say. Obviously you don't know anything about the Dailey's except what you took off of the front page of the paper. They helped people discover exactly those kind of NATURAL REMEDIES!!! And get off of perscription drugs and hormones.

IF and I reiterate the IF they did what they are being charged with (regardless of what they pled to) it is a FRACTION OF THE STORY AND A FRACTION OF THE KIND OF NATURAL MEDICINE THEY PRACTICED!

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babblingbrook 7 years ago

foodchain - addiction is a medical condition, NOT a weakness.

That's exactly why those patients in need of highly addictive drugs, like Hydrocodone, need to be under the strict supervision of a doctor.

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bikegirl 7 years ago

No Mel-You seem reluctant to believe that because they are naturopaths that they did'nt do anything wrong.As I said before.I am sure they did help some people along the way,they got greedy along the way too,and that has caused people harm,when a doctor knowingly causes harm to thier patients,they have lost all credibility.I have been a proponent of natural medicine for30plus years,the Dailey's were not practicing good, responsible medicine.

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twostroketerror 7 years ago

Homeopathy is like God ( or Budda, or Bush). Regardless of the amount of common sense that says 'This is a bunch of hooey!' you've got to BELIEVE that it's true or it works. If you do believe, and it works for you, more power to you and no one should slight you for it. Not everyone has the power of faith. As for the actual subject, they pled guilty, right? What's to discuss? They're kinda screwed, by their own hand.

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babblingbrook 7 years ago

Mel -- Loyalty is a good quality, but it should not blind us from the truth.

People do not plead guilty to FEDERAL CHARGES unless they are guilty... so there is no "IF they did what they are being charged with."

PLEAD -- In criminal law, basically means to answer to the charge: either ADMITTING or DENYING guilt.

THE DAILEY'S ADMITTED GUILT!

It makes absolutely no sense for a person, especially a doctor, to plead guilty to a crime they did not commit. WHY? Because you go to JAIL, and pay a HEFTY FINE! Oh yea, you also loose any chance of practicing in your field again.

Remember, the prosecuting attorney would have to prove their guilt beyond a reasonable doubt.

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Matthew Stoddard 7 years ago

Didn't modern medicince technically spring from homeopathy thru the years?

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stmbtprof 7 years ago

This is not about homeopathy nor is it about natropathy...It is about 2 people convincing innocent people they could help them...and in the process they helped many to addiction of prescription drugs...no media has influenced me-personal history.....myself, friends and other like Mel who are still insisting how wonderful the Daileys are...they have been brainwashed.....just like followers of a cult.....those are the ones thinking "oh the poor Daileys"

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armchairqb 7 years ago

babbling brook no addiction is not necessarily a medical condition because if that was the case they could take all the addicts in this country and put them under medical care instead of prison care and put thousand of cops out of work, no DEA no undercover grammet types etc. man would that throw the ecomoy into a tailspin!!

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bikegirl 7 years ago

When people are in pain or suffering from illness,they will grab onto anything that may offer them relief,when an addict needs their drug they will do anything to get it.The Dailey's took advantage of these situations.This isn't a debate about western medicine vs. alternative,or the health care industry and all it's wrongs.These people fed people's addictions,and made $$$$ doing it.

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babblingbrook 7 years ago

armchairqb - Hydrocodone addiction is a medical condition... that's why this crime is so serious.

WHY OPIOID DEPENDENCE IS A MEDICAL CONDITION

Frequent and persistent use of opioids can cause brain cells to change the way they work. The brain can be "re-set" to think the drug is necessary for survival. In other words, the brain of a person dependent on opioids can cause them to feel as though they cannot live without this drug-and eventually they may adopt compulsive drug-seeking behavior.

Researchers have discovered that opioids cause long-term changes in the brain, and thus opioid dependence is considered a long-term medical condition. The good news is, opioid dependence can be treated effectively with drug therapy combined with counseling.

SOURCE: http://treatment-for-addictions.info/?kw=55

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Crimony 7 years ago

First of all, it is going to take much more than this Pilot article or speculative comments here to convince me of anything. I prefer to wait until more specific information is available.

Additionally, implying that the Daileys turned people into drug-dependent junkies requires some tangible evidence to be the least bit compelling.

And third, speaking of brainwashing:.. I find it distressing that so many people still misunderstand the role of narcotics in contemporary medicine. Perhaps none of you know anyone with Fibromyalgia, MS, ALS, Rheumatoid Arthritis, Degenerative Disc Disease, Lyme Disease, Parkinson's, etc.

I do. And I understand the part that physicians orthodox or naturopathic must play in the treatment of these devastating diseases. The DEA wants you to believe that these patients must be 'protected' from physicians who can prescribe what these people need. I believe the opposite - that these patients and their physicians need protection from the DEA.

Anyone who sincerely wants to understand the nature of chronic pain and the role of opioids may find the following articles very helpful.

Chronic Pain: 1. A New Disease? "Chronic pain continues to be perceived as a characterologic disorder rather than a serious, potentially fatal, medical disease. The general lack of understanding of how persistent pain becomes magnified and ingrained prevents many patients from receiving the level of care that they need to regain control of their lives and resume normal activities." http://www.doctordeluca.com/Library/Pain/CP1NewDisease2K.htm

Chronic Pain: 2. The Case for Opioids "Opioid medications allow us to treat chronic pain as aggressively as we would any pathogen, but we must first overcome ingrained misconceptions about patients' motivations for seeking treatment and about the addictive properties of the drugs:. " http://www.doctordeluca.com/Library/Pain/CP2CaseForOpiates2K.htm

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stmbtprof 7 years ago

Crimony....This is NOT ABOUT NATUROPATHY OR HOMEOPOTHY...i AM AGREAT BELIEVER IN THESE HAVE A CHRONIC ILLNESS WHICH I TREAT WITH THE ABOVE, ACCUPUNCTURE AND OTHE OTHER ALTERNATIVE MEDICINE AS WELL AS WESTERN RX AND WHICH i WENT TO DAILEY SFOR OVER SIX YEARS AGO , HOWEVER THEN I RECOGNIZED THE SIGNS OF SHYSTER AND WATCHED THEM ABUSE PEOPLES' TRUST, AND TAKE ALMOST CULT STATUS WITH THEIR PATIENTS....IT IS ABOUT THEM AND DIREGARD FOR LAWS AND TRULY HELPING NOT BRAINWASHING PEOPLE.

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dognova 7 years ago

Wow, foodchain, you are so funny with your little "Office" outtakes! My husband always said that it's very hard to spot a really good con man (or woman) until it's too late. Words to ponder. Foodchain, you are right on in characterizing alot of drug dependence as weakness. The medical profession has made endloaders of money by the "medicalization" of many just plain old human weakness. Hey, it feels good to be in that "medical cacoon" and just opt out because you are (oh gosh, poor you!) sick.

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foodchain 7 years ago

Non, homeopathy is not a con. It has simply become politically incorrect to point one's Gaydar in public.

Sheezuz. Haven't you even watched the Queer Eye show?

I thought that what with all of the rainbows and pride parades we would have outed all of the homeopaths, their bad shoes, fashion faux pas and home decorum errors by now.

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grannyrett 7 years ago

What the article applies to is not whether addiction is a weakness or an illness. The whole point of the matter is that the Daileys were charged with a federal crime and they plead guilty. If you are guilty, then by all means plead guilty and save us all the time and expense of a trial. How can you feel sorry for people that brought this onto themselves? It was wrong and they knew it was wrong. If they ever thought that they were not guilty, they would have gone to trial and made the government prove their case. They aren't any better than the local drug dealer on the corner selling to kids.

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AmebaTost 7 years ago

Maybe we should see if they had to leave Oregon for similar reasons.

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smallfry 7 years ago

Mel,

It's not p-e-r-s-c-r-i-p-t-i-o-n, it's prescription.

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bumblingidiot 7 years ago

Crimony's right! We should all be highly suspect of the Pilot's intentions. There are evil spirits at work, toiling to stir-up some kinda brouhaha.

And all these implications that the Daileys turned these edumacated consumers into junkies, well that's just hogwash in my book. As a matter of fact, if it weren't for benevolent physicians opening the gates to these much need painkillers, I would never get rid of my pain-in-the-neck... I like to call my wife and kids.

I too find it distressing that so many people still misunderstand the role of narcotics... I say the more the merrier. And don't you believe that addiction crap, it's nothing but weak minded people who haven't found GOD. PRAISE THY LORD!

Lastly, in my opinion the DEA's sole function is to put physicians out of business. We should eliminate the DEA, eliminate their guidlines, and LET THE PEOPLE CHOOSE!!!

...which doctors will give them the best pain meds of course.

DAILEY FOR PRESIDENT!

...who's with me?

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elphaba 7 years ago

Did anyone check the local Doctor who prescribed for the Daileys after they were told to cease???? No contact with patients but lots of prescriptions.........

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wetstream 7 years ago

That reminds me of the social fabric represented in the movie "Idiocracy."

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Crimony 7 years ago

Pleading guilty to a charge does not mean that you committed the crime (except in the eyes of the law). Just ask any defense attorney; the cost of litigation in a case like this is beyond the financial capacity of most people. Even if you win your case, you don't get reimbursed for the cost of proving it. Thus, enter The "Plea Bargain".

In today's world, the average American cannot afford competent, experienced, legal representation. Perhaps I am not the only one who has noticed this:..

I hope the Daileys or their attorney will be able to tell their side of the story at some point not too far down the road. Maybe they will confirm everything stated or implied in the Pilot article; maybe we will hear something completely different.

It probably won't make any difference to some here:. there are always those who refuse to let facts get in the way of their opinion.

BTW, both my dog and my cat respond wonderfully to homeopathics. Must be that pesky "placebo effect" at work again::

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Mel 6 years, 12 months ago

Thank you Crimony! that is exactly what I have been trying to say "If they did what they are charged with..." I don't think any of these people; who keep quoting and using the CAPS LOCK to reiterate that "THEY PLED GUILTY TO FEDERAL CHARGES" blah blah blah... have ever watched an episode of Law and Order or ever had to pay an attorney to litigate something. A plea can encompass a WHOLE LOT OF THINGS that we don't know about...

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grannyrett 6 years, 12 months ago

Oh, give me a break! Sure,---you're going to plead guilty to a FEDERAL charge if you're innocent? Maybe you haven't paid attention to your TV shows-"If you can't afford an attorney, the court will appoint one to you." So, they would rather go to the pen and pay huge fines for being innocent? Get real!

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Russell Orms 6 years, 12 months ago

I have such tiredhead. Does anyone know how to reach them right now?

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Crimony 6 years, 12 months ago

Granny, what I say is true. Bear in mind that you have to show substantial evidence that establishes your innocence. We have no idea in this case what evidence is available. Bear in mind, too, that public defenders are usually the Rookies, plus their offices can't mount the kind of costly defense necessary against a prosecution with virtually unlimited resources.

But for Heaven's sake, don't take my word for it ask a real, live defense attorney how things work in the real world.

Alphadog, I'm sure there are a number of people who know how to get in touch with the Daileys but they are not likely to divulge that information without good cause.

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