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David Siller, 27, of Wayne, Pa., was sentenced to six months in jail for stealing food out of a dumpster.

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Giles Charle, 24, of Somersworth, N.H., was sentenced to six months in jail for stealing food out of a dumpster.

— The story of two Rainbow Family gatherers sentenced to six months in jail for stealing produce from a Steamboat Springs store's garbage can continues to grab attention - and headlines.

Media outlets across the country are picking up the story, and many e-mailers and bloggers are threatening to boycott Steamboat and other Colorado towns and businesses because of what they are calling an abuse of the justice system.

In part because of a link from the Drudge Report, a popular political blog, steamboatpilot.com received an estimated 32,000 hits Sunday, forcing the newspaper's Web site to crash for a short time Monday morning. The Web site typically receives about 6,000 hits a day.

Giles Charle, 24, of Somersworth, N.H., and David Siller, 27, of Wayne, Pa., were sentenced to six months in jail last week after they pleaded guilty to misdemeanor trespass. The men admitted to taking $15 worth of rotting produce from a garbage can at Sweet Pea Produce on Yampa Street in June. The men were on their way to the Rainbow Family gathering in North Routt County.

The plea agreement was reached with Assistant District Attorney Kerry St. James. The men were facing a felony charge of second-degree burglary and accepted the plea to keep the felony off their records. Neither has a criminal history.

Charle and Siller said from Routt County Jail on Monday that they were excited to hear of the national attention their story is getting.

"It's great to feel so supported, but at the same time, we're not getting our hopes up," Charle said. "In some ways, it's actually making our stay (at the jail) harder now."

The outrage caused by the jail sentence has spurred hundreds of reader comments on steamboatpilot.com, and one Colorado man has created a "Free Charle and Siller" page on his Colorado Freedom Group Web site. The page includes a link to a "Hunger is Not a Crime" petition urging residents and local officials to push for an overturn of the jail sentence. The page is at www.rebelgraphics.org/coloradofreedom.html.

Richard Myers, the Denver man who created the Web pages, said by e-mail Monday night that it has been his lifelong pursuit to seek justice, and that is why he has taken on the plight of Charle and Siller.

"Much of my activism is centered upon the question of obtaining justice for the little guy, frequently against an impervious bureaucracy that only claims to cherish real human values," Myers wrote. "I've always been for the underdog, for the down and outer, because that's the American way."

Myers said his role in the case is simple.

"Those of us who use e-mail, blogs, newsgroups and listservs to discuss and publicize the issue (are) simply facilitating communication, helping the citizens of Steamboat Springs to discover how the rest of the country feels about six months in jail for Dumpster diving," he wrote. "This story has legs that are capable of climbing right over the Continental Divide and kicking some doors in."

There are some indications that the attention the story is receiving could come back to haunt Routt County. Some posters and e-mailers are threatening to boycott Steamboat Springs, and some have indicated they will use their businesses and professions to urge others to follow suit.

"We need to keep in mind that tourism is our No. 1 industry," said Riley Polumbus, spokeswoman for the Steamboat Springs Chamber Resort Association. "Because so many of our residents directly and indirectly depend on tourism, we need to keep that in mind when we're making decisions.

"This decision does not reflect the feelings of this community, because we're known as a friendly community."

Polumbus, who was out of town for most of the Labor Day weekend, said she could not comment further on the case or what effects it might have on the community.

While some are calling for a regional and state boycott, others are urging St. James and 14th Judicial District Attorney Bonnie Roesink to revisit the case or resign. Neither St. James nor Roesink could be reached for comment Monday.

Roesink is scheduled to appear before the Routt County Board of Commissioners at 10 a.m. today to discuss budget items and new furniture for the Justice Center.

Routt County Commissioner Nancy Stahoviak said she doubts the board will address the Charle/Siller case with Roesink during the meeting unless fellow commissioners Doug Monger and Dan Ellison opt to do so.

"I doubt we'd jump into the middle of something where we have no jurisdiction," she said. "We're not in the habit of telling a judge how to rule or telling a prosecutor who and who not to prosecute. That's their job, not ours."

- To reach Alexis DeLaCruz, call 871-4234 or e-mail adelacruz@steamboatpilot.com

Comments

mark1 7 years, 11 months ago

Alexis - Great reporting..you nailed all the issues..my bet is that Doug Monger will opt to raise the issue tomorrow..we will see ;-) ..I spent time around town today and there is unanimous outrage....this could reach boiling point !!

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steamboatgal 7 years, 11 months ago

Removing Kerry is what needs to be done. This story is only one which will reveal him for his long-term, on-going, and unreasonable actions.

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freshair 7 years, 11 months ago

What nonsense!! I can assure one and all that the overwhelming majority of Steamboat residents, while agreeing the sentence may be on the excessive side, fully support our local Law Enforcement officials. Steamboat will continue to thrive quite nicely without the patronage of the people who are venting their spleen on this forum.

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cheesecake 7 years, 11 months ago

Let's see....The outrage is over the fact that they got caught & punished? So does that make it ok for everyone to trespass & not be punished? I support the decision that was made. If you let one get away the next one thinks there is no law enforcement so the crimes gets worse & worse.

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mark1 7 years, 11 months ago

Cheescake you miss the point....this is yet again an overreaction by law enforcement and the DA...in a civilized society you don't incarcerate people for six months for stealing food from a garbage can...that was in the middle ages in europe before this country was born.

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intowner 7 years, 11 months ago

The outrage at the sentences for these two has nothing to do with "not supporting law enforcement" but has everything to do with Kerry St. James. Law enforcement did what they had to do. Kerry, on the other hand -- and as he regularly does -- abused his position. In my personal experience, Kerry picks and chooses what he will prosecute based on his personal twisted preferences. I have seen him refuse to prosecute severe wrongdoings despite the urgings of the Steamboat Police Dept., for a variety of reasons such as the last name of the would-be defendant.

In this case, I doubt the officers involved, or JD Hayes were encouraging this sort of excessive punishment.

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steamboater 7 years, 11 months ago

The problem here is the inconsistency. Why is it that Billy Kid can blatantly steal food from City Market and he gets his case dismissed because he is a representative of Steamboat, while others are spending 6 months in jail for stealing garbage. I do not think what they did is right at all and they should be penalized, but there needs to be consistency in penalties. And no the entire town is NOT pleased with our law enforcement, this has been an issue for a while now, from rape and sexual abuse cases that are withheld from the public eye to preserve our image, resulting in more rapes to abuse of power. I hope this opens a can of worms and we get some answers.

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remysmith 7 years, 11 months ago

Today's article is an example of the press going too far. It's not news, but speculation. It speculates that Steamboat Resort (and the town of Steamboat Springs) could see some economic backlash because of the legal climate. This speculation is unlikely. You could just as easily conclude that the bloggers are all members of the Rainbow Family using the forum to try and free their friends.

Intowner and steamboater are exactly right. The issue is, and has been, whether St. James' erratic application of the law is what this community wants. Getting to St. James through his boss, Roesink, requires political pressure from the voting public and not other elected officials. No matter how well intentioned, Anderson's too-little too-late public interest to get the City Council involved (the City doesn't even provide funding for the judicial district) sounds like inappropriate political influence, which is exactly one of the concerns about St. James. It's just a different source of influence.

The responsibility for St. James' actions rests with Roesink and then the voters, not other political intermediaries that probably want to avoid opening the "recall" can of worms themselves. But getting rid of Rosesink (or applying pressure) will result in little if no other attorney in town wants her job, and why would they? Some make good money with the current regime, where they can easily negotiate deals for their high-paying clients that they couldn't otherwise get in a less "biased" legal environment. And if one steps forward, and the recall fails, would they be able to effectively represent their clients in the future?

Getting rid of St. James (or Roesink) is a more difficult proposition than organizing a few protests and starting a petition.

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boycott_steamboat 7 years, 11 months ago

Mr. St. James put Charle and Siller in jail. After Mr. St. James prosecuted Mr. Lenahan, http://www.geocities.com/Wellesley/8819/jennyarticle.html Mr. Lenahan remained Chief of Police in Hayden. While Mr. Lenahan pled guilty to "harassment" of his step daughter, it looks like he never served any time in jail. Mr. St. James considers 2 vacationers taking rotting produce from a dumpster far worse than a well connected local committing "harassment". Anyone that does composting, recycling or second hand harvesting from trashcans or dumpsters can be jailed in Routt County at the taxpayers expense. But if you are into touching your stepchild in a way that can be mentally or physically harmful, its ok if you are connected and Mr. St. James is the DA. Boycott Steamboat Springs until Charle and Siller are let out of jail and Mr. Lenahan and Mr. St. James are removed from their jobs.

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Momabear 7 years, 11 months ago

RemySmith wrote: It speculates that Steamboat Resort (and the town of Steamboat Springs) could see some economic backlash because of the legal climate. This speculation is unlikely.

My organization has already decided not to have a large convention at the Steamboat Springs Sheraton Convention Center - a convention that would have brought roughly 900 to 1,000 people to your community for a week. I doubt we are the only organization who has nixed Steamboat Springs as a convention destination over this injustice.

Our reasoning: Members often loosen up during conventions and it is entirely possible that one or more members might have a lapse in judgment and commit a minor legal infraction during our stay. We do not want this to occur in a community with a history of handing out six months jail terms for such infractions.

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outoftowner 7 years, 11 months ago

boycott_steamboat: Can you point me to the specific article or articles regarding Lenahan? I went to the geocities website that is posted above the other day (it was posted on one of the 3 other boards). I found a very moving website composed by the young victim of this incestual sexual molestation committed by the outstanding Mr. Lenahan, but not any articles regarding the investigation, prosecution or disposition of the case. Am quite intrigued with doing a bit more research on Mr. St. James' tenure, since so many have posted examples of his discriminatory application of his responsibilities to the public.

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bcpow 7 years, 11 months ago

Were these 2 a threat to me or the community we lived in and deserve a 6 month jail stay. Pretty low level (and not even registering in most of America). But a local like Mr Romick is a very high threat to my well being. He seems to enjoy drinking and driving on a regular basis. Am I safe on the streets of steamboat with him around? I just love how the Rainbow Family keeps on giving and giving and giving...

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outoftowner 7 years, 11 months ago

Remysmith - I just re-read the article that you said is not news, but speculation. I found nothing but statements of fact. Is this what you are referring to as "speculation" -

"There are some indications that the attention the story is receiving could come back to haunt Routt County. Some posters and e-mailers are threatening to boycott Steamboat Springs, and some have indicated they will use their businesses and professions to urge others to follow suit."

It's a fact. Read the hundreds of messages posted on the 3 other boards. There are many, many posts encouraging people to boycott. That constitues "some indications" in my opinion.

Would there be enough boycotting to have a financial impact on Steamboat Springs. The answer to that is unknown. As for myself, I'd never go to Steamboat Springs, but it's irrelevant because I've never been there in the past and it's unlikely that I'd ever go there in the future - with or without this story. I'm not much of a traveller, I don't ski and when I do go out of town, it's usually to my home state to visit family. But I am only one outraged American. It appears there a plenty more. Some of whom do ski. And some of whom do travel.

There is a simple solution. Mr. St. James, who has been convieniently 'unavailable for comment" needs to stand up and say "Ooops. My Bad." and let these guys out of jail, have them spend the rest of the day picking up trash or something as a reasonable punishment and send them on their way. And then apologize to Sweet Peas for putting them in the middle of this circus against their will.

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Skier 7 years, 11 months ago

This is no joke. I'm an attorney in Manhattan. I was having brunch in Soho on Monday with my regular Steamboat ski friends. They had also heard of this prosecution. We were planning another Steamboat ski trip this year but decided to wait to see how this turns out. Although we love skiing Steamboat, we just might try Whistler if the locals can't get their act together and bring rationality back to their government. If Steamboat wants tourist dollars, then it needs to steer clear of this sort of controversy. I doubt that we are the only ones who have had second thoughts because of this abuse of prosecutorial power.

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None 7 years, 11 months ago

It's to bad these guys did not have a decent lawyer. Even if convicted of a felony it would be overturned or pardoned by the governor. It's an obvious abuse of power which will be seen by all and hard to ignore. The lawyer who "represented" them should at least return all$$ paid. The bar should look at this case

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gnovembe 7 years, 11 months ago

As an ex resident of "the boat" I have a very fond memory of Routt County, but there is no way I will vacation there with Kerry St.James in the DA's office. This incident is garnering national attention and will cost the town significant income. The sooner it is delt with, the sooner it will be forgotten.

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ur2loco 7 years, 11 months ago

I think this case is a good illustration of the need to do away with the plea bargaining system.

I know supporters say that there are not enough resources to prosecute every single criminal case and that it saves taxpayers money because justice is served in most cases and trials can be very expensive.

The other side of the coin is that all too frequently, defendants that are innocent, or guilty of lesser charges end up taking a plea instead of going to trial because they fear going to jail. While a defendant who is actually guilty of a crime will get to plead to a lesser charge and do less time than they would have otherwise. This doesn't involve the coercion that the innocent defendant faces. FEAR is a powerful motivator. When a defendant is given a choice to go on trial for a felony, and risks going to prison for years or given an offer to plead guilty to a misdemeanor and just get probation, it's rarely worth the risk of being subjected to a lengthy sentence when the choice is presented in such a fashion. It is done every day in every state.

If the plea bargaining system were abolished, the defendants that are actually guilty would end up getting a just sentence as punishment for their crimes; therefore they would take up less space on the dockets for committing new crimes. And innocent folks wouldn't even have the option of pleading guilty to something that they aren't guilty of.

Also, the plea bargaining system, along with prosecutorial discretion can lead to other, more sinister arrangements, such as a lawyer trading one of his clients for another:

 Defense lawyer: I can get my client Joe to take a plea to a felony in this case if you can drop the charges on my other client that paid me huge.

Prosecutor: Sweet! Let's talk about it on the golf course later, you can buy me lunch. I might even introduce you to my new intern.
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digg_user 7 years, 11 months ago

Seems Digg hasn't picked much up on this one.

Steamboat Pilot can rest easy, if a major blog/bookmark site like Digg picks it up in the future then you face a heck of a lot more than 32,000 hits ;)

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chessydog 7 years, 11 months ago

I am an out of towner tourist/skier that comes to Steamboat every year.Could someone please tell me what was the "Rainbow Gathering"?

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outoftowner 7 years, 11 months ago

ur2loco - Interesting thought.

While I do think that plea bargaining serves a purpose, I have to wonder what would have happened to this case if Mr. St. James had two choices - either drop it, as requested by the 'victim', or pursue a jury trail and try to convince 12 INTELLIGENT, REASONABLE people that these 2 guys are criminals that should spend 6 months of their lives behind bars at taxpayer expense.

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savas 7 years, 11 months ago

Do the words "Cruel and unusual punishment" sound at all familiar? What's the punishment in Steamboat Springs for litterring...life without the possibility of parole? If the whole town isn't up in arms about this then maybe the real trouble is in the civics classes in the schools. Please check out the 8th Amendment people...especially you (Ass)* District Attorney St. James!

ps- *No it's not an abbreviation for assistant.

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outoftowner 7 years, 11 months ago

Chessydog - a bunch of hippie-type vegetarians getting together to commune with nature. Apparently it was in June. And apparently, some of the locals, including the assistant DA, don't like them.

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outoftowner 7 years, 11 months ago

Chessydog -

That would be one of the locals who doesn't like them that I was referring to.

LOL

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chessydog 7 years, 11 months ago

Thank you for the definition, I got the picture.

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chessydog 7 years, 11 months ago

Oh my gosh! What is Steamboat going to do? Some attorney (the 9:40 am posting) from New York City is not coming to Steamboat next year. If that word gets out, there will be an outcry to arrest two more hippies. LOL -Lawyer from Ga. who is still coming to ski. I'll just stay out of the dumpsters and avoid Deputy DA Fife.

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butterat42 7 years, 11 months ago

Clearly a few "residents" don't get it. Let's hope that the Steamboat Springs Chamber of Commerce and District Attorney Roesink do. If not the interests of justice at least the economic interests of the county should be served. Mr. St James sounds like quite a guy, did he slap the police chief's and Kid's wrists really, really hard?

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outoftowner 7 years, 11 months ago

Chessy -

Yeah, I know one NY lawyer and his buddies going elsewhere isn't going to hurt Steamboat at all. He did sound serious, though.

So did a whole punch of other people in the hundreds of posts on the 3 other boards.

Enjoy your skiing in Steamboat, but a word of advice...

If you go into a restaurant for a cup of coffee and there is a newspaper sitting on the table, seeming to be waiting to be read, DON'T TOUCH IT!

Buy your own.

Even if this newspaper seems to be abandoned, it is the property of the restaraunt on the restaraunt owner's property. Making use of discarded items on private property is a felony in Steamboat.

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elphaba 7 years, 11 months ago

Anyone with teen aged sons in this community for the last 10 years will agree that Kerry St. James has a record of abuse of power regarding his prosecution of that sex and age group. He has obvious issues with young men and is "out to show them". This is just another in a long long string of these types of overeactions. Spend the DA's money on something worthwhile and stop alienating the youth of Steamboat - a whole generation now mistrusts the justice system because of St. James and his zeal.

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jimbo 7 years, 11 months ago

Kerry St. James is a bitter, wicked, little man with no heart, I just hate that a person like him has authority....please for a better community lets all unite to relieve St. James of his duties!!!!!

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fish 7 years, 11 months ago

Numbers claims to have just made a non-bias opinion on the rainbow gathering. That is a joke. The old forum must not be accessable anymore but we all remember how much hate and filth that you spewed about the rainbow gathering, also all the rumors that you tried to spread. Un bias my ass. You must be pleased as punch with this sentence. But thank god the A.D.A. didn't follow your recommendation and kill these people.

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xx 7 years, 11 months ago

I for one am looking forward to less crowded restaurants, less crowded parking lots, less crowded ski trails and a less crowded town in general. I'm all for the boycott. I hear that Breckenridge has a very lenient D.A. so everyone please go there for your vacations.

Now how can we get Triple Crown to join the boycott of Steamboat? That would be huge bonanza. Oh how nice it would be to be able to make a left turn again from Lincoln Ave. in this town.

BTW. I had heard from the spouse of a member of law enforcement that when City Market hired extra security this summer to deal with the Rainbow Family they did end up catching some shoplifting, but only locals and not Rainbow Family. I wonder what their sentences were for those crimes?

XX

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outoftowner 7 years, 11 months ago

Locals - I'm curious:

Now that your DA and Assistant DA are supposedly back to serving the public after the long holiday weekend over which they were not available for comment, have they commented?

I understand that a local radio show will be picking up the story tomorrow and perhaps one or more of the investigative news television shows are eyeballing this as a good human interest story for national broadcasting during prime time.

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bigdog 7 years, 11 months ago

did anyone go to the DA budget meeting this morning? Any fireworks?

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lunasol75 7 years, 11 months ago

Word from the courthouse is that the Routt County Commissioners were at the DA's office this morning questioning Bonnie and Kerry. I have reliable information that a recall of Bonnie as DA is in the works.

I guess this really goes to show how powerful of a force community support can be.

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peabody85 7 years, 11 months ago

I went to the commisioners meeting this A.M. Ms. Roesink was indignant in that she accused the press of distorting the "facts" (or not knowing them) and then let the little man (Kerry) recite the police reports. When he was done the co-owner of the Sweet Pea clearly said that the next day he and his co-partner discovered that the store had not been broken into and that only "pig food" had been taken. He and his co-partner did not return a victim witness form thinking that by so doing that it would indicate that they did not wish to prosecute. Ms. Rosink informed him that it was a fault on their part as they should have said so in writing. Mistakenly, Ms. Roesink said that victim rights only applies in assaultive crimes and not proprerty crimes. She should read the Colorado Constitution Article II, section (16)(a). After Kerry was through with his defense of his conduct the co-owner of the Sweet Pea spoke and stated that he called Kerry once he heard what the offer was and told him that he did NOT want these young men criminally prosecuted and go to jail. He stated that community service would be appropriate. He stated that Kerry said that he would make an example out of these young men to which Kerry angerly shouted that what he said was that he would make an example to the community (which he said was the way he saw his job and the "victim" be damned in so many words.) The conduct of Kerry is typical of the way he abuses the power of his office. Recently since being rejected in his bid to become the next District Court Judge (can you imagine his abuse of that power in that position ??) he is worse that ever. Can you imagine that?? Additionally, since taking office some 8 to 10 or more lawyers have left the DA's Office. I suggest that this is due to Ms. Roesink's incompetent "leadership" and Kerry mis-placed authority. Why doesn't Ms. Roesink handle cases? Her predecisors did. Why on earth does she do and why does she need a personal assistant?? It is time for Kerry to go and Bonnie to be recalled. No way will she be relected if she runs again. Too many burned bridges.

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outoftowner 7 years, 11 months ago

How awful! Ms. Roesnik implied that it was Sweet Peas fault that this got out of hand???

That is the most ludicrous thing I've heard in this entire story.

My sympathies to the people of Steamboat Springs!

Can't wait to see the news coverage on this one.

Mr. Hieb, thank you so much for attending and having the guts to publicly confront Ms. Tweedle Dummest and her trusty sidekick - I believe he was referred to as Duddly Do-right in one of the posts on another board.

As far as the discussion of new furniture for the court house, did she request a new cage for her now infamous Tasmanian Devil of an assistant DA?

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lua 7 years, 11 months ago

I have been to the Rainbow Gathering in the past and enjoyed it very much. It was a magical place with a ton of wonderful people! I think the punishment is rediculous!

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outoftowner 7 years, 11 months ago

Oh, I see, now. THAT explains it!

He didn't say he was going to make an example "of them". He said he was going to make an example "TO THE COMMUNITY"

Make an example of who? "TO THE COMMUNITY?

The serpent speaks with forked tongue!

Nice Save There, Duddly!

Sheeeeeez!

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EricBInVermont 7 years, 11 months ago

peabody85: thanks much for attending the meeting and reporting on the happenings there!

Mr Hieb of the Sweet Pea: thank you very much as well, not only for attending, but especially for your great courage in speaking so boldly to this power-mad prosecutor and condemning his absurdly draconian sentence. The Sweet Pea alone is totally blameless in this whole incident and yet is suffering from the unconscionable obstinancy of the ADA almost as much as the young men in jail.

Thanks also to "outoftowner" for your responding so tirelessly to the few tiresome trolls who would have monopolized this forum with their angry rants except for your efforts.

And thanks to Billy Kidd (if I'm right about your identity) for weighing in on the side of common sense and lending some celebrity to the cause.

Finally, an appeal to the DA, Ms Roesink: Please review all the evidence and the facts in this case, and judge for yourself whether six months in jail does not indeed constitute an excessive sentence that runs counter not only to justice but also to the interest of the community you serve. I hope you will consider meeting the young men so that you can gauge their character for yourself. And I pray that ultimately you will have the courage to match your power to correct this unfortunate error.

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isobel 7 years, 11 months ago

Post from another board...hope who ever wrote this doesnt mind me re-posting it:

I went to the commisioners meeting this A.M. Ms. Roesink was indignant in that she accused the press of distorting the "facts" (or not knowing them) and then let the little man (Kerry) recite the police reports. When he was done the co-owner of the Sweet Pea clearly said that the next day he and his co-partner discovered that the store had not been broken into and that only "pig food" had been taken. He and his co-partner did not return a victim witness form thinking that by so doing that it would indicate that they did not wish to prosecute. Ms. Rosink informed him that it was a fault on their part as they should have said so in writing. Mistakenly, Ms. Roesink said that victim rights only applies in assaultive crimes and not proprerty crimes. She should read the Colorado Constitution Article II, section (16)(a). After Kerry was through with his defense of his conduct the co-owner of the Sweet Pea spoke and stated that he called Kerry once he heard what the offer was and told him that he did NOT want these young men criminally prosecuted and go to jail. He stated that community service would be appropriate. He stated that Kerry said that he would make an example out of these young men to which Kerry angerly shouted that what he said was that he would make an example to the community (which he said was the way he saw his job and the "victim" be damned in so many words.) The conduct of Kerry is typical of the way he abuses the power of his office. Recently since being rejected in his bid to become the next District Court Judge (can you imagine his abuse of that power in that position ??) he is worse that ever. Can you imagine that?? Additionally, since taking office some 8 to 10 or more lawyers have left the DA's Office. I suggest that this is due to Ms. Roesink's incompetent "leadership" and Kerry mis-placed authority. Why doesn't Ms. Roesink handle cases? Her predecisors did. Why on earth does she do and why does she need a personal assistant?? It is time for Kerry to go and Bonnie to be recalled. No way will she be relected if she runs again. Too many burned bridges.

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isobel 7 years, 11 months ago

PS - I hope everyone has signed the petition to save Giles and David at

http://www.petitiononline.com/colofree/petition.html

We still need many more signatures, tell your friends!

Thanks

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jonathon 7 years, 11 months ago

I wanted to comment earlier but I needed some time to collect my thoughts after the commisioners meeting this morning. This is Jonathon Hieb, co-owner of Sweet Pea, speaking on my behalf and that of Katherine Zambrana. Katherine is very upset and not wanting to comment at this time. First of all I just want to apologize for me loosing my temper, I hope it did'nt offend anyone, I just felt like I really needed to hold my ground. Basically what I got from the meetig was that ADA St. James prosecuted the case as such because of our police report from the night of the incident. The police report from the night of the incident does state that we wanted to press charges to the fullest extent possible, we have never denied this nor do we now. What the DA's don't want to talk about is that once we had time to do a complete inspection of the store we came to the conclusion that these guys did not steal anything of value and only commited trespassing. We then decided not to pursue the charges. We then made a decision to not fill out the proper paper work in order to press charges, thinking this thing would go away and these guys might get some community service. Two weeks later thier attorney informed me that the DA was giving them choice of a felony or jail time. I was blown away by this information and immediately contacted ADA St. James and told him I did not agree with these punishments. And thats when St. James told me he was going to send a message and make an example out of this case. So, in closing my feelings are that the DA's only want to talk about the police report, making SweetPea look responsable for all of this and do not want to discuss my conversation with St.James saying we do not agree with the punishment options.

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outoftowner 7 years, 11 months ago

By the way, I know that this story was covered on the Jay Marvin show this morning, and will be again tomorrow. Also, it has been brought to the attention of Geraldo at Large, Montel William, NBC Dateline, CNN, Fox and Jay Leno, to name a few. Whether or not it gets picked up by any of them remains to be seen, but it at least belongs on Fox's "Out There" and CNN's "Weird News".

Eric B, you're welcome for any help you perceive me to have been. I will continue to stay on it (although I have to go back to work tomorrow, so my participation for the rest of the week will be limited to the evening hours, but heck, the internet is open all night.)

Mr. Hieb, I hope that, not only does Sweet Peas suffer no injury or insult as a result of this, but that ultimately you have won the spot of local humanitarian and good will ambassador, and that you reap the profits of your good nature and strength of character. If you sense ANY iota of retaliation coming your way from the DA's office for having the courage to speak up, talk to the press immediately.

If there is any local TV news coverage this evening, anyone who catches it, please post!

And Numz, you're not so bad after all. Sorry for any animosity, though it was all in fun...

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jonathon 7 years, 11 months ago

Just one last thing, I'm very sorry for not being more prudent and forceful in not pressing charges, this is my mistake and I take full responsabilty for it. Let's see if some other people can take responsabilty for thier mistakes.

                                               Sincerely, Jonathon Hieb
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savas 7 years, 11 months ago

A large part of the outrage has to do with the charcter of these "felons". One's a social worker and the other is an AmeriCorps volunteer...and both plan to get their graduate degrees. I've read other media accounts that by the time they got into town they were famished and wanted to buy something to eat...but it was late and a holiday and everything was closed so they decided to check the dumpster for anything edible. When the DA found out they had traveled from out of town to pray for world peace he blew his gasket. "WWJD" he asked himself and then proceeded to do the opposite!

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outoftowner 7 years, 11 months ago

Mr. Hieb, that may well be the truth and thanks for acknowledging that roll in this, but the bottom line is that there was one person and one person only who was responsible for getting these guys locked up for 6 months, and he needs to step up or get kicked to the curb.

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crimble 7 years, 11 months ago

Let's ALL please stop dancing around the issue here, please:

The judge and the conservative minds of Routt and STMBT were Freaked out by the Rainbow family, plain and simple. They are over reacting to 2 hippies that were expecting the town of STMBT to treat them as if they were at a gathering.

Both sides are wrong here: 1st the judge is not sentencing on a consistent basis (see Billy the Kid at sh!ttymarkup) 2nd the hippies are wrong for assuming/expecting the world to work like a rainbow gathering, it doesn't.

The gathering is over, never to return, the judge made his point, Let the hippies go.

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eviegrant 7 years, 11 months ago

It's amazing that it takes something so blatently unjust for the community to start to realize that the DA's office might not be as renown as thought. This has been going on for years. There have been many cases that have passed through this county that resulted in an unjust sentence. The solution to the problem does not come from the change in the punisment for the two "hippie" men. The solution comes in getting a just District Attornies office. To put on paper the amount of cases that were ruled unfairly would take only but years to complete. So lets start bettering our selves, our tax dollars, and the non-criminals that happen to have a lack of judgement by demanding the simple rights that this country was founded on.

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hearme 7 years, 11 months ago

One could argue discrimination. Is that the ACLU I hear coming down the pass?

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outoftowner 7 years, 11 months ago

Discrimination? I've refered to it as a hate crime more than once in the past 5 days!

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HairyJane 7 years, 11 months ago

Contrary to common belief, the People of the Rainbow have gathered in the same National on six other occasions. They never had any problems with the police. Somehow the officials have decided to discriminate against the Younger, Less Wealthy Americans, in-order to further their own reputation as great law enforcers.

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outoftowner 7 years, 11 months ago

Numz, it's a good question and if you feel I toss that out lightly, I apologize -

However, it is no secret that the Rainbow Family is not exactly warmly welcomed by many Steamboat residents. Some posters, in fact, have spoken quite scathingly about them.

According to Mr. Hieb, and apparently according to Mr. St. James himself at the commissioners meeting this morning, when he was popping a vein at Mr. Hieb, Mr. St. James said that he was going to make an example of this case.

It is no stretch of the imagination to suggest that Mr. St. James' target of this example was the Rainbow Family, because of their affiliation with this "disliked group".

I guess it would be a good time to ask what other cases has Mr. St. James felt were deserving of six months in jail. I would like to see more about his "6-monthers Record" -

I would also like to see the outcome of any other misdemeanor trespass cases. And the results of his produce pilfering cases.

From a post by "xx" a few hours ago, it appears some locals might have been caught shop-lifting from the City Market, off the shelves, during business hours, it would appear:

"BTW. I had heard from the spouse of a member of law enforcement that when City Market hired extra security this summer to deal with the Rainbow Family they did end up catching some shoplifting, but only locals and not Rainbow Family. I wonder what their sentences were for those crimes?"

So, I too, wonder what became of the locals who were caught shop-lifting from the shelf instead of the garbage. One would think they must have gotten AT LEAST 9 months, as the value of sellable produce must have been more.

I guess we'd need to make a comparison to truly draw a conclusion as to whether or not this case involved discrimination. I'll refrain from using the hc term again for now, but would love it for anyone with details of the DA's record on similar cases and/or similar sentences to solve the debate with facts and dates.

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outoftowner 7 years, 11 months ago

BTW, did you hear about the woman in Georgia who got 1 year of probation for a DUI crash that killed 5 children?

Talk about over-kill and under-kill!

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eviegrant 7 years, 11 months ago

379664-

Do you enjoy knowing that your tax dollars are adding to this outragious sentence?

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steamboatgal 7 years, 11 months ago

If you havn't heard, there is no way to stop a process once the police hear of it...they say, "you can't stop the proceedings, because we have picked it up." If you havn't heard of how bad the police and justice system is in this county: STOP CALLING THE POLICE FOR SUCH STUPID THINGS!" One the caller saw the two around the trash and not with a crow-bar at the door! PUT THAT PHONE DOWN. The punishment system here is terrorism and not your mommy and daddy to simply cry to. If you havn't heard, the two men are in the jail with another whom is serving a stupid sentence of violation of restraining order just by making a PHONE CALL! to a soon-to-be-X for trying to make arrangments for child visitations. Nothing happened to her for making the call in the first place and hanging up on him. Just a returning phone call made by him and got 90 DAYS! Hey guys how about a warning.... This is just the tip of the ice-berg. The system is bored and the locals found some relief when the police were busy harrasing the Rainbow Group.

Get the trash pickers out of jail and the other there for the phone call, restraining order situation.

As an X-Taxi driver, I have heard a lot of the sorry stories as I picked up the released from jail. Most common is being charged with more than one DUI when such is the case. The additional DUI charge is there to break and wear on the victum so after the trumped up charge is dropped, the accused is either too weary or too broke to consider continuing the fight.

Remember when the new jail was being built? The head-lines read, "We have to get 350 more DUIs by the end of the year for the payment of this project."

In recap: Kerry is over due to be thrown out!

Have you heard...DO IT!

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outoftowner 7 years, 11 months ago

Numz, ok - how about the term 'discriminatory sentencing' - ?

I understand and agree with what you say, although I truly believe that the Rainbow Family is a 'group' that could be discriminated against, because of their lifestyle and or beliefs. They're colored folks, you know. Rainbow colored.

I would still like to see what ELSE Mr. St. James thinks is worth 6 months in jail, and what a local teenager's sentence might have been for a misdemeanor trespass, and what kind of prosecution he gives local shop lifters.

And I would still like to hear him explain what he meant this morning at the commissioner's meeting when he was lashing out at Mr. Hieb, telling him he didn't say he was going to make an example of THEM, he said he was going to make an example TO THE COMMUNITY.

I ask again, Mr. St. James - you were going to make an example *of who* TO THE COMMUNITY.

(Why, THEM, of course!)

That shows, in my opinion, an intent to exert intimidation on THESE 2 MEN SPECIFCALLY. To me, that seems to be discrimination. Why would he want to make an example of these 2 men specifcally? I can't think of any reason other than their affiliation with the Rainbow Family and wanting to send a strong message to the RF to stay the hell out Dodge. If you have a different theory about his motivations, I'd love to hear it.

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outoftowner 7 years, 11 months ago

Wow - a lot of people jumped in there.

Just for the record all, I have never said that I have a problem with the actions of the law enforcement in Steamboat Springs. They received a call, they checked it out, they contacted Sweet Peas, and they made their reports. That's their job, and I haven't heard them being critized here at all, to speak of. Not in this particular case, anyways.

The problem is with the Assitant DA.

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eviegrant 7 years, 11 months ago

I wish people would get over the whole law enforcment thing. The police did nothing wrong in this situation. They did their job and thanks to them for doing that. This is the DA's problem.

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outoftowner 7 years, 11 months ago

Numz - I guess with regard to defining a group of persons that could be discriminated against, even though it is not a religious affiliation, race or sexual discrimination -

Persons with physical or mental handicaps would be considered a group even though they may be men, women, heterosexual, homosexual, Cathlic, Baptist, Jewish, Bhudist, athiest, Black, Hispanic, Asian, or Rainbow. Veterans are a group, regardless of the above criteria.

I guess I would like to know what Mr. St. Jame's motivation was for making AN EXAMPLE TO THE COMMUNITY, as he put it, (of THEM) if it wasn't for the RF affiliation. They apparently don't have records, there is no mention of resisting arrest or assaultive behavior, they returned for their court appearances, they both appear to be white Americans, they both appear to be educated, neither of them seem to have any physical disabilities, and I didn't hear any rumors that they were holding hands and slow dancing, and if the RF is 'no religion', it couldn't have been that. And this was hardly the Crime of the Century. So what was it about this case that incited him enough to pop a vein over?

Again, and I'm serious, I'm not just trying to egg you on. If you have any other theories, I'm all ears. Or I guess, eyes and fingers.

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eviegrant 7 years, 11 months ago

Outoftowner

You need to know one thing, Kerry has been making examples of people for years in this county. I grew up here, born and rasied. I have seen this happen to several people. I have heard him say in the court room that he is going to make an example of of the person being tried. There is no reason for this except that Kerry is an old sour man and has no good to live for.

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outoftowner 7 years, 11 months ago

eviegrant -

I'm starting to figure that out. Lot's of you locals have plenty to say about the man!

Maybe I should come on up there and there and walk around bare foot and take some newspapers out of the trash. Maybe I could give him a stroke or heart attack or something.

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JustSomeJoe 7 years, 11 months ago

ok, injustice all around. The two guys probably got more than they deserve, although they will only serve 3 months and have a misdemeanor on their record.

Yes, St. James is worsening his tarnished reputation around here.

The folks really to blame are the two people sitting in jail. without them, none of this ongoing bandwagon stuff; the DA's office, the police, Jonathan Hieb. These poor little lost lambs, starving to death, with nowhere to turn but crime to feed their swollen bellies.

While sweet pea is probably the easiest place to "break into" in town, these two bozos broke into it nonetheless. I keep my trashcans in a storage shed to keep wildlife out of them. If I found them in my trashcans in my shed on my property, yes, I would call the police and press charges. What if they go to rob my neighbor next, or come back because I'm an easy mark? They had $500 in their pocket and couldn't find a restaurant or store in town open at 8:30pm to get food? Sunpies is right next door. This is a town that LIVES on holiday. So, BS to that.

Get indignant over St. James, whatever. You are probably right on that count. However, these two clowns are to blame for the situation they are in, period. You are quibbling over how many months in the pokey is right for breaking into a business. If they hadn't broken in, they wouldn't be in jail. Let them serve their time, then give them a ride to the county line where they can break the law to augment their legal feeding habits in another town. Because guess what, they probably will.

PS - I'm a liberal, maybe becoming a libertarian, lived in town for over five years, just think the whole thing is silly. Don't do the crime if you can't stand the time, shaft

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outoftowner 7 years, 11 months ago

Geez, Joe, tell us how you REALLY feel.

Yeah, that's all been said a lot of times since Friday.

Fact of the matter is, Sweet Peas said no, no jail time is necessary. And St. James said, the hell it's not. If they actually BROKE IN to Sweet Peas shed, that might have been different.

No one denies that these guys weren't too bright. They don't deny the trespass. And yes, they deserve an appropriate punishment. Like the $15 restitution that was ordered and a few hours of community service. Not 6 months out of their lives. Or even 3.

And you're right, Mr. St. James is as tarnished as a rusty nail. That's the point of the discussion.

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isobel 7 years, 11 months ago

JustSomeJoe- excuse me, but they didn't break in anywhere except the trash cans. They did tresspass onto their property but they didn't break into the store!!

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angelonmyshoulder 7 years, 11 months ago

Ask this one question,every one,whether you are a "believer",or "non-believer", the example is a good moral one.

What would Jesus do?

This question is directed to all the parties in this case, no matter the part played. I introduce it to invoke thought and prayer and resolution ideas.

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isobel 7 years, 11 months ago

The bible says every corn grower should leave the corners of the crop for the poor to glean. I think Jesus was a hippie, pan handler, hitch hiker, and in his own way a Rainbow peacenik. I bet he believed in recycling too, just like David and Giles!

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angelonmyshoulder 7 years, 11 months ago

The above question as applied to each individual who is involved in this ordeal can open some heartfelt dialogue and maybe even change a heart or two.

Meanwhile,what I am going to do is to pray for the victims charged with a "crime" for being hungry. I will probably read some Bible scriptures,especially where Jesus,the Christ dealt with the Saducees and the Pharisees and where Jesus instructed His Disciples on the spiritual law, on love, mercy,forgiveness,kindness, on doing to one another what we would have done unto ourselves.

I will pray for the people who put these two young brothers in jail for six months. I will pray for my two brothers who are in jail,Giles Charle and David Siller. I will write to them and send loving supportive messages and commissary if I can. I will pray for the families of these brothers and the store owners., Jonathan Hieb and Kathryn Zambrana. I will pray for the town of Steamboat Springs. I will pray for all those who persecute the Rainbow Family of Living Light.

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angelonmyshoulder 7 years, 11 months ago

Isobel, I liked the response comment that you made to my post. The Bible does instruct on the edges or corners of the fields and how to plant allowing so much to be taken by the poor and the needy. It was a requirement in order to fulfill the spiritual law.

What does that say about the state of our world and the spiritual void in our nation?

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angelonmyshoulder 7 years, 11 months ago

Anyone wishing to form a letter campaign to those in government who can turn this sentence around, email me at angelonmyshoulder77@yahoo.com

Anyone wishing to form a letter campaign for the prisoners of this travesty of justice,Charle and Siller, email me at angelonmyshoulder77@yahoo.com. Send material that can be posted on our website at http://jerichowall7.binkz.com

Everyone who can, send commissary to these brothers so they can pay their legal expenses.

Anyone who empathizes with the store owners and their position and feelings in this, please write to them and tell them how you feel. It is my understanding that they wanted no part in these brothers being charged.

Flood the DA's office with mail. Hard copy snail mail from around the country.

Write to Colorado's Governor. Someone please post the address here. Send emails, faxes and hard copy snail mail letters to the Governor regarding this case. This legal decision sets a dangerous precedent and should not be allowed to stand.

Write to the Judge, even though there was a plea bargain involved.

Write to the Colorado Attorney General and flood the office with mail as above. Someone please post the name and and address on this blog.

Write to the United States Attorney General Gonzales.

Write to the President of the United States.

Write to Churches, Human Rights organizations, Senators and Congress Members.

Let your voice be heard. One case makes a difference in the evolution of our nation. How we treat one individual matters.

It is just us for justice,after all.

http://rainbowjustus.blogspot.com

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outoftowner 7 years, 11 months ago

And I will continue to call and email Bonnie Roesink and Governor Owen (and Duddly Do-right himself, if I can get his email address....) until this unjustice is undone. At this point, I wouldn't even suggest an alternative community service sentence. I would say "Time Served - You're Outta Here!"

Mr. Hieb has already said he won't accept the $15 restitution they were ordered to pay.

Talk about an Angel!

Family and Friends of the POWs - (Prisoners of the Weiner) - I know that none of you deny that David and Giles did trespass and didn't use very good judgement in their actions that day, and that point has been driven home again and again on these (so far, 4 ) boards in the past several days. I hope you know, though, that there are people around the country who, like you, feel that their plea "bargain" was no bargain, and the whole prosecution was a joke. And not a funny one at that.

What I find most apalling about this was DA Bonnie Smith Roesink's response today in the commissioner's meeting, when confronted by angry SS citizens, said that "the press distorted the truth" and that essentially, it was the failure on the part of Sweet Peas to clearly indicate their decision not to prosecute IN WRITING that is the underlying cause of this folly and complete waste of taxpayer dollars to lock your loved ones up for gray matter malfunction. We all know that up until the moment that plea deal was presented to the judge, the ONE PERSON responsible for it, Mr. Kerry St. James, former DA hopeful, soon to be ex-assistant DA, had the power and ability, but not the strength of CHARACTER, to change the deal. For Roesink to even entertain the thought that it was Sweet Pea's fault this turned into a national joke speaks volumes of her ability to lead Steamboat Springs judicial system.

Continue to email your protests to luv-veggies@hotmail.com

I have already offered this mailbox to DA Roesnik once with 105 emails. Surprisingly, she did not accept my offer. I'll offer it again in a few days, hopefully with twice that many entries. If she doesn't accept, I'll offer it to Governor Owens.

As an out of towner and never having met these men or their families, why do I care? Because I am an American citizen proud of what this country represents, and ashamed when it is represented so poorly. Liberty, justice and freedom from persecution. Give them liberty. See that justice (approrpiate justice) and freedom from PERSECUTION are attained.

And all you local SS'ers - go buy as much produce from Sweet Peas as you can eat. Show them your support for the predicment St. James put them in.

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outoftowner 7 years, 11 months ago

Weren't you the one talking about sarcasm yesterday, Numz?

Come on.

I know you have strong feelings about both sides of the issue, but you don't need to take everything so personally.

They are Prisoners of a Wiener. Whether they peed or not.

We're here protesting St. James, not you.

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outoftowner 7 years, 11 months ago

Yeah, my grandfather, father and husband all served in the armed forces. I lost 2 cousins and a good friend in Viet Nam. My best friend is an Army brat. You notice I mentioned that Vetrans are a 'group' that might be discriminated against, even though they don't represent a particular race, religion or sexual affiliation.

I have seen no video of the confrontation today. No one has mentioned it other than peabody85 and Mr. Hieb, both of who were apparently there. I'm sorry that you found it that disturbing. If there's more to come, I guess that's what the boards and the press are for.

But please don't take your anger at what you might have seen on a video out on those of us who haven't seen it.

Where can we read the entire police report?

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ur2loco 7 years, 11 months ago

did anyone notice that really well written post by david? that quoted statutes and said that the DA was way out of bounds has been removed? It was one of the earliest posts.

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outoftowner 7 years, 11 months ago

I have not been back to that board for a while. You're talking about the one where he outlined how St. James might have been in violation of certain guidelines and subject to censure?

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ur2loco 7 years, 11 months ago

exactly....I can't find it....I was going to suggest there was a way to get this sentence overturned if they can prove they had incompetent advice from there defense attorneys

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outoftowner 7 years, 11 months ago

Ok, Numz. I'll check out the video.

Glad you replied. Thought we'd lost you there for a minute.

Seriously, even though we've had our 'moments' here, I've enjoyed our debates. I'm sorry that this has you so upset.

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outoftowner 7 years, 11 months ago

ur2loco -

I just checked. It's still there. It's on the "Sweet Pea Owners: We didn't want this" article board from Saturday. About 10 or 15 posts down.

If you can't find it, let me know, I'll email it to you as I made a copy of it.

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SkiGirl 7 years, 11 months ago

I first and foremost would like Jonathan and Katherine to know I stand behind the two of you 100%. I respect you both. I do not respect or trust the DA's office especially Kerry St. James. Steamboat's law enforcement practices are often an embarrassment to this community. Kerry St James is guilty of profiling with his treatment of these two Rainbow Gatherers and should resign. Kerry St. James why did you not sentence Billy Kid to jail time? City Market was clearly closed that evening for remodeling but Billy Kid walked in stole two steaks and a bouquet of roses and walked out leaving an I.O.U. It is clear St. James uses a double standard. Shame on You! These two young men do not deserve jail time at all. I first and foremost would like Jonathan and Katherine to know I stand behind the two of you 100%. I respect you both. I do not respect or trust the DA's office especially Kerry St. James. Steamboat's law enforcement practices are often an embarrassment to this community. Kerry St James is guilty of profiling with his treatment of these two Rainbow Gatherers and should resign. Kerry St. James why did you not sentence Billy Kid to jail time? City Market was clearly closed that evening for remodeling but Billy Kid walked in stole two steaks and a bouquet of roses and walked out leaving an I.O.U. It is clear St. James uses a double standard. Shame on You! These two young men do not deserve jail time at all.

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JustSomeJoe 7 years, 11 months ago

outoftowner - Let me try my line a different way, this is hardly social injustice. They broke the law and deserved to be punished. Now all this posters are discussing +/- a couple of months of sentencing for these buffoons.

I say save the righteous indignation for causes that need it: the devastion of the gulf coast and the pathetic response of the federal government to help; calling your congressperson to back the increase of the minimum wage -- the first since 1997; the abandonment of the search for Bin Laden for a war in Iraq for oil; the list goes on and on. All this energy for two guys who don't need protecting. White, families that care, yeah these guys are just being kept down by the man. They will be out of jail in a few months and this is hardly Sacco and Vanzetti.

It's just sad to see this is what passes for indignation this day and age.

So, outoftowner, what's your angle here? Looks like lots of posts today, lots of time. Are you a RFer looking to help out a family member? Just an activist looking for a new cause?

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jonathon 7 years, 11 months ago

Just so you no the vidoe is not being shown in it's entirety. If you want to know about more of the meeting than the video shows, go the transcripts section of the paper. Hey pilot where is the rest of the video? Is this fair and balanced to only show St. James speaking?

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outoftowner 7 years, 11 months ago

No, Joe, just a hard working American having a long Labor Day weekend and read the articles on Associate Press on Friday and started digging for a little more info and found a place to discuss it.

I was unable to load the video. But I did read the transcripts, as Jonathan himself just posted a minute ago.

Having read the transcripts, regardless of what new info came out in this meeting, I still see:

The DA, the Assistant DA and the Chief of Police VERSUS the "victim" of the crime. Mr. Hieb appeared, ready to set the record straight, and they ganged up on him, cut him off, tag-teamed and double-talked him.

Hey, Mr. Hieb - how about that who contacted who part. How many times did you have to reiterate that YOU called HIM before he finally admitted that his "contacting you" was "returning YOUR call" - I still think you're a hero for speaking your mind.

I still see that Duddly Do-right admitted to trying to make an example of these 2 men.

I still see that Sweet Peas, well before the plea "bargain" was put before the judge, said WE DON'T WANT THIS.

I still see that the DA, Ms. Roesnik, tried to displace the responsibility of her office to Mr. Hieb, saying that he should have, could have, needed to, blah blah blah.

If the DA and Assistant DA can't administer their offices any better than that, why do they expect Mr. Hieb to know the ins and outs of the judicial system and why should it be HIS responsibility to take time away from his business to go to the court house to correct the Taz and his Over-underling.

Again, I will say that I don't necessarily see that the Law Enforcement officials did anything wrong in this case.

But the buck still stops and snorts at Mr. St. James. And Siller and Charle still got the shaft because they were RF.

Ms. Roesnik stated that Mr. Hieb had no rights as a victim, that it was up to Mr. St. James to handle it the way he wanted to and then did an about face and said Mr. Hieb should have appeared in court and told the judge he didn't agree.

Come on Bonzie Bunz. Which is it? He has a say? Or he doesn't. You can't have it both ways.

Trick B!

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outoftowner 7 years, 11 months ago

For anyone who hasn't been out on the newest board -

Unedited excerpt from today's (9/5) meeting:

[Sweet Pea (crime victim) owner Jonathan]Hieb: So among all this other stuff that you're doing, and the mistakes that you've already made, now you're calling me a liar? Is that what you're doing?

St. James: I'm saying we disagree as to that conversation.

Hieb: You know, right now, I think, this is just my two cents. It's probably worth nothing. But right now, what you need to do, as a man, is take responsibility for your actions.

St. James: I'm sorry. I can't do that.

St. James caught on video tape stating that he cannot take responsibility for his actions.

Sorry Numz, I know you have a problem with waste eliminations, but I about pee'd my pants when that one was pointed out.

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Rollout 7 years, 11 months ago

Seems during the audio I heard from the meeting, if the Judge, PD, and who knows about st.james, had known the actuall facts about the case they would have not given the sentence that they did. It seems that even though it can not be proved, st.jamey was the the only person that SweetPea talked to to say they found nothing else missing , and didnt want to file charges. Being that all this info has come out now, it should be obvious to the town that there was a injustice, and it should be corrected and I dont mean tommorow. However sadly, with people like st.james (and king george) there will more then likely not be any reprisal.

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outoftowner 7 years, 11 months ago

Rollout-

Some of us will do our best to make sure there are reprisals.

PEACE!

(and, no, just because I said "peace" does not mean that I'm an RF-er)

out of towner

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HairyJane 7 years, 11 months ago

GEE, I 4get, wutz that they say bout a Pigs Ear,.....sumthin somthin..............

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